White police vs. American blacks

[Rollo Tamasi]

Your being feed a left wing narrative from CNN.


You ignore the truth , just like you ignore the truth from the scriptures.



JLB

That's a personal insult.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

One problem is exampled in your opening post. People jump to all kinds of conclusions without having all the facts in place. Almost immediately there were accusations of racism in Kenosha. Really? What did race have to do with anything? He was ordered to stop with guns drawn upon him after he had already been physically fighting with the officers!

We do not know all the details that led up to the shooting. Why were the officers sent to the scene? What was the situation or events prior to the video that was posted? Why was the man fighting with the officers? Why did the officers feel it was necessary to their own safety to draw their weapons? Why did the man ignore the officers, especially after they had their weapons drawn on him? What was he doing in the car; reaching for a firearm perhaps? That would most certainly result in the officer discharging his weapon. Put yourself in their place. Would you wait until the man turned around and shot at you first? Yeah, right!

In what world is it okay to fight with law enforcement? You won't win that battle, it discredits your own integrity, and it is not the time or place for it. The time and place to make your case is in court.

Martin Luther King, Jr. said it best.
"Violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones. Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers."

Nobel Lecture: Request For Peace, December 11, 1964.

I can even say from my own personal feelings that it is a struggle for me to fight the desire for animosity against those waging the violence around us. I don't see groups like BLM as fighting for racial equality. What I am seeing is they are fighting for vengeance and racial supremacy and all that will do is foster more continued racism and growing violence.

This is very troubling to me because I have always considered myself to be one of the least prejudiced or racial white persons you could meet and now I'm battling within myself trying to keep things in perspective; that it isn't the race that is doing this, it is individuals and our society needs to put a stop to it or it could get far, far more dirty.

And also, why did they put seven bullitts in his back.

 

[WIP]

I was going to agree with some of your sentiments about BLM but later comments betray a deep seated hatred and contempt for Afro Americans. I don't ever want to reach that level.

My neighbor and good friend who I respect and admire got into a rather heated discussion recently because I had posted a statement on FB regarding BLM and their association with Marxist communism. He told me that he didn't want his sons to be regarded as communist sympathizers. He said they don't use the term Black Lives Matter as a reference to the group but as a statement of fact. In other words black lives matter (small case). I replied, "Of course they do!"

Here's the problem. In the spoken word we don't know when a person is using upper or lower case. We all identify ourselves as Christian. Why? Because we claim to be followers of the original organizer, the Christ, Jesus. By claiming the title "Christian" the rest of society will have a certain expectation from us according to their understanding of what it means to be Christian.

Well, the original founders of BLM are self-proclaimed trained Marxists and have an appreciation for the American Communist party. I was watching a video interview with the president and founder of the greater NYC BLM and he made a statement that really hit me. He said, "I want black liberation and black sovereignty." For those that do not know, sovereignty means supreme rule. When people support BLM that is what they are supporting. This is not a battle for racial balance or equality. BLM is a black supremacy group and I cannot nor will I support them any more than I would support a white supremacy group.

 

[ezrider]

I don't see groups like BLM as fighting for racial equality. What I am seeing is they are fighting for vengeance and racial supremacy and all that will do is foster more continued racism and growing violence.

And why is that WIP? Why do you think they would be fighting for vengeance? What grievances do you suppose they might have?

 

[stovebolts]

We do not know all the details that led up to the shooting. Why were the officers sent to the scene? What was the situation or events prior to the video that was posted? Why was the man fighting with the officers? Why did the officers feel it was necessary for their own safety to draw their weapons? Why did the man ignore the officers, especially after they had their weapons drawn on him? What was he doing in the car; reaching for a firearm perhaps? That would most certainly result in the officer discharging his weapon. Put yourself in their place. Would you wait until the man turned around and shot at you first? Yeah, right!

We know the police were dispatched by a 911 call from a female art her residence because they were arguing and he would not leave her premises nor return her keys.
A background check prior to the police arrival revealed he had a prior conviction and a current warrant for his arrest.
The police arrived on the scene with the intent of taking him to jail for his current warrant.
Video shows that he resisted arrest and wrestled with police, even after being tased. At this point, he managed to make it to his car with a police officer trying to stop him. As the man reached in his car to pull his weapon, police fired 7 shots into his back at near point blank range.

 

[stovebolts]

And also, why did they put seven bullitts in his back.

I have answered that numerous times.

 

[ezrider]

If the BLM movement supports lawlessness, then they are the problem, not the police. We are a nation of laws. Without laws, criminals are empowered and we have seen this with the looting and killings (black on black) in Chicago.

We are a nation of laws as Israel was a nation of laws. Have you learned nothing from the words of Christ, or are you laws more important to you? You have become pharisees, the lot you. You stand upon the law, yet you do not seek to provide justice under those laws. You seek leaders who to appoint judges only to sit in judgement of the law.


What have you gained from all your christian teachings if you have not learned?

 

[WIP]

And also, why did they put seven bullitts in his back.

That's my point. WE DO NOT KNOW. We can only speculate.

I have one possibility and this pure conjecture on my part but some of the video and other news reports support this possible conjecture. Put yourself in the officer's place. You are sent to the scene because a woman has called in a complaint that a man is in violation of his restraining order. You get restraining orders when there is potential risk to your life or others in your family (children) from another person so this already means a possible volatile situation. When you arrive and try to place the man under arrest for violating his restraining order, he becomes combative and resists arrest. In the process of trying to subdue him, you fire your taser but it is ineffective. You now find yourself in a physical encounter with him on the ground. He manages to get loose and begins walking around to the driver's side of the vehicle where there are children inside. Recognizing the potential danger to both the children and yourself, you draw your weapon and order him to stop but he ignores the order and continues. When he gets around to the driver's side he reaches into the car to grab a weapon. What do you do? Would you wait for him to turn around and use the weapon on you before you react? By then it would be too late as you lie on the ground either dead or dying.

According to one news report I read, "During the investigation following the initial incident, Blake 'admitted that he had a knife in his possession,' officials said. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons."

 

[Truthfrees]

This is really sick what is going on in Wisconsin.
I wonder what will happen next.
Pictures show older white men with their machine guns out in the streets.
They are not the police.
Seven bullits in the back?
And they send this cop home?
Now more blacks are being murdered.
Does this police department have even one black officer?
I doubt it.
I think it's safer for black people today living in Jackson, Mississippi then most other places in America.
Is this the beginning of things to come in this country?
Where are all the black leaders hiding?
Where are all the great white leaders on this one?

I don't believe it's going away.

this happens every 4 years just before the election - it will die down in december

unfortunately hatred/violence/war will be with us until Messiah rules the earth

do what you can to love everyone and avoid those that don't

if you think one race is guilty and the other is innocent that further enables racism

if you realize every race has haters and lovers you will help diffuse the real problem - some people hate - some people love

here's a video of BLM attacking a black man and his black wife who are saved by the white police - things are kinda crazy and not always what they seem - it's not really about black vs white right now - it's really about politics -

here's ben carson on racism

 

[WIP]

And why is that WIP? Why do you think they would be fighting for vengeance? What grievances do you suppose they might have?

Because they are not fighting for racial equality. As I already posted, they are after racial supremacy. Do they have grievances? I don't doubt that one bit. I have grievances but I don't want white supremacy. Are they willing to give up affirmative action? There's no justification for the violence.

“Be angry, and do not sin”: do not let the sun go down on your wrath, nor give place to the devil.
Ephesians 4:26 NKJV I wonder who Paul is quoting in this passage.


Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. Therefore
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
If he is thirsty, give him a drink;
For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Romans 12:17-21 NKJV

 

[JLB]

Your words are just smoke.

Brother if you dont care about the truth then how can come to a rational conclusion?

 

[JLB]

That's a personal insult.

Its simply the conclusion that rational people come to after reading what you write.


Hating on me isn't going to change anything.

 

[Edward]

That's not for me to say.
You said, "in this case, it was".
If you were talking to Jesus, how would you explain your reasoning?

That a known criminal who has active warrants and is currently engaged in ongoing combat and fighting officers who has already been tased and is now continuing to resist and not comply with the officers orders scrambles into the car presumably to get a gun...so I shot him.

Now you know that he had cops yelling at him to get on the ground. That's what they do. If he was on the ground instead of getting into the car, I bet he would not have got shot. In the passion of the moment it seems totally justified to shoot him in the back so he does not have a chance to turn and fire. Quickly getting into the car instead of obeying commands is an escalation to an already tense situation.

 

[Truthfrees]

And also, why did they put seven bullitts in his back.

it sounds extreme but they already tasered him and he was not affected at all - usually that means the person is high on drugs and has superhuman ability -

white police in my town had to deal with a dangerous young white person in this condition - he got hit several times with bullets and kept on charging the police - they felt they had to kill him to deal with the danger - it was a big issue for our town - this stuff is always upsetting to everyone - including the police

 

[ezrider]

That's my point. WE DO NOT KNOW. We can only speculate.

WIP, I may be wrong, but i believe you may be a hunter and fisherman.

Just asking, but how many bullets would you put into your prized buck to bring him down?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

My neighbor and good friend who I respect and admire got into a rather heated discussion recently because I had posted a statement on FB regarding BLM and their association with Marxist communism. He told me that he didn't want his sons to be regarded as communist sympathizers. He said they don't use the term Black Lives Matter as a reference to the group but as a statement of fact. In other words black lives matter (small case). I replied, "Of course they do!"

Here's the problem. In the spoken word we don't know when a person is using upper or lower case. We all identify ourselves as Christian. Why? Because we claim to be followers of the original organizer, the Christ, Jesus. By claiming the title "Christian" the rest of society will have a certain expectation from us according to their understanding of what it means to be Christian.

Well, the original founders of BLM are self-proclaimed trained Marxists and have an appreciation for the American Communist party. I was watching a video interview with the president and founder of the greater NYC BLM and he made a statement that really hit me. He said, "I want black liberation and black sovereignty." For those that do not know, sovereignty means supreme rule. When people support BLM that is what they are supporting. This is not a battle for racial balance or equality. BLM is a black supremacy group and I cannot nor will I support them any more than I would support a white supremacy group.

And does 7 bullitts in the back justify your reply?
Speak out about the 7 bullitts in the back.
Tell us what you think of it?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I have answered that numerous times.

Your answers sound racial to me.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

That's my point. WE DO NOT KNOW. We can only speculate.

I have one possibility and this pure conjecture on my part but some of the video and other news reports support this possible conjecture. Put yourself in the officer's place. You are sent to the scene because a woman has called in a complaint that a man is in violation of his restraining order. You get restraining orders when there is potential risk to your life or others in your family (children) from another person so this already means a possible volatile situation. When you arrive and try to place the man under arrest for violating his restraining order, he becomes combative and resists arrest. In the process of trying to subdue him, you fire your taser but it is ineffective. You now find yourself in a physical encounter with him on the ground. He manages to get loose and begins walking around to the driver's side of the vehicle where there are children inside. Recognizing the potential danger to both the children and yourself, you draw your weapon and order him to stop but he ignores the order and continues. When he gets around to the driver's side he reaches into the car to grab a weapon. What do you do? Would you wait for him to turn around and use the weapon on you before you react? By then it would be too late as you lie on the ground either dead or dying.

According to one news report I read, "During the investigation following the initial incident, Blake 'admitted that he had a knife in his possession,' officials said. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons."

I don't care about no news reports.
I saw the videos.
It was down right hatred racial.
Who's side are you on?

 

[WIP]

WIP, I may be wrong, but i believe you may be a hunter and fisherman.

Just asking, but how many bullets would you put into your prized buck to bring him down?

First, the man was not the officer's prized kill. What world do you live in?
Second, when I take that shot at a deer, it is carefully calculated, I take my time, and I make sure to place an accurate kill shot the first time. For that reason, I have never used more than one shot to drop a deer, ever.
Now, if the deer or let's say it was a grizzly was attacking me and I was in fear of my life, I would unload everything I had into him.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Brother if you dont care about the truth then how can come to a rational conclusion?

All I have to do is listen to you and think and do the opposite.
Then I'll know the truth.