WHO DID CHRIST JESUS DIE FOR?

[jeremiah1five]

To give you the condensed version of the ministry of the high priest, he does two things:
1. He prays for the people of God, and,
2. Offers sacrifices for the people of God.

The high priest DOES NOT pray for the non-Covenant people nor offer sacrifices for the non-Covenant people. He does nothing for the Gentile people not in Covenant with God. And the same ministry was performed by Christ before He went to the cross. He prayed for the people of God and offered sacrifice [Himself] for the people of God. He did nothing for the non-Covenant unbelievers of the world.

17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Jn. 17.

Martin Luther once called the prayer of Christ in John 17 as 'the holy of holies' prayer. But although Christ offered Himself as sacrifice for those whom the Father gave the Son, Christ did not offer sacrifice nor prayed for the non-Covenant people of the world:

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. Jn. 17:6.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Jn. 17:9.

In other words Christ died for His Church, those whose names are in the book of life and those who are called out of the world (vs. 6)

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Eph. 5:25–27.

Jesus Christ caps it all off when He was dying on the cross by saying:

34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; Lk. 23:34.

And to know the identity of "THEM" all you have to do is read through John 17 and take notice of the two groups of people in this chapter: "THEM" and "the world."

 

[hawkman]

And to know the identity of "THEM" all you have to do is read through John 17 and take notice of the two groups of people in this chapter: "THEM" and "the world."

"Them" is the apostles , not me and you .

 

[jeremiah1five]

"Them" is the apostles , not me and you .

No, it's everyone and those who will believe due to their witnessing.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Jn. 17:20–23.

Unless you want to say Jesus died for only the apostles? Then we are all up ship-creek.

(Oh, and the word means feces/excrement. If the Holy Spirit used it so can I [dung.])

 

[hawkman]

He prayed for the people of God and offered sacrifice [Himself] for the people of God. He did nothing for the non-Covenant unbelievers of the world.

No, it's everyone and those who will believe due to their witnessing.

Which is it ?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Which is it ?

Which?
Just ONE.
Those whose names are in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
They are ALL Covenant, book of life Covenant believers destined to be redeemed.
I thought I said that.

 

[hawkman]

Which?
Just ONE.
Those whose names are in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
They are ALL Covenant, book of life Covenant believers destined to be redeemed.
I thought I said that.

Don't burn me at the stake .

 

[jeremiah1five]

Don't burn me at the stake .

Nah. Methinks thou art a believer.
I got your back.
Christ has your front.

 

[hawkman]

Nah. Methinks thou art a believer.
I got your back.
Christ has your front.

Being a believer did not save Michael Servetus from being burned at the stake .

 

[jeremiah1five]

Being a believer did not save Michael Servetus from being burned at the stake .

Men make mistakes. Men sin. I'm not saying those that killed him did so in this circumstance. But if he died a born-again believer then he's with Christ and all is forgiven.

 

[atpollard]

Being a believer did not save Michael Servetus from being burned at the stake .

Violating civil law and being punished by the Civil Government is like that. Believers that speed pay speeding tickets and believers that commit manslaughter still go to prison … punishments in the 1600’s just really sucked.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Violating civil law and being punished by the Civil Government is like that. Believers that speed pay speeding tickets and believers that commit manslaughter still go to prison … punishments in the 1600’s just really sucked.

It sucked because the Roman Catholics of the time were fighting the Protestants for supremacy, and it was the people that suffered by laws that tried to force belief into one religion and one faith.

 

[atpollard]

It sucked because the Roman Catholics of the time were fighting the Protestants for supremacy, and it was the people that suffered by laws that tried to force belief into one religion and one faith.

Yup … although EVERYBODY seemed to have jumped on the STATE CHURCH band wagon. Lutherans persecuted non-Lutherans where they controlled the government and Catholics persecuted non-Catholics where they controlled the government and the Reformed persecuted the non-Reformed where they controlled the government. That is why Baptists, who emerged in the 1600’s, adopted Separation of Church and State as a “Baptist Distinctive” (defining belief).

That Servetus was condemned to death by both Catholic and Reformed Courts suggests that his views did stray too far from Biblical [not that he needed killing, just that his views probably needed condemnation as wrong - like Arianism].

 

[Alfred Persson]

To give you the condensed version of the ministry of the high priest, he does two things:
1. He prays for the people of God, and,
2. Offers sacrifices for the people of God.

The high priest DOES NOT pray for the non-Covenant people nor offer sacrifices for the non-Covenant people. He does nothing for the Gentile people not in Covenant with God. And the same ministry was performed by Christ before He went to the cross. He prayed for the people of God and offered sacrifice [Himself] for the people of God. He did nothing for the non-Covenant unbelievers of the world.

17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Jn. 17.

Martin Luther once called the prayer of Christ in John 17 as 'the holy of holies' prayer. But although Christ offered Himself as sacrifice for those whom the Father gave the Son, Christ did not offer sacrifice nor prayed for the non-Covenant people of the world:

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. Jn. 17:6.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Jn. 17:9.

In other words Christ died for His Church, those whose names are in the book of life and those who are called out of the world (vs. 6)

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Eph. 5:25–27.

Jesus Christ caps it all off when He was dying on the cross by saying:

34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; Lk. 23:34.

And to know the identity of "THEM" all you have to do is read through John 17 and take notice of the two groups of people in this chapter: "THEM" and "the world."

14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. (Jn. 3:14-17 NKJ)

In John 17 the unbelieving "World" is in contrast to God's people, but when you ask who did Christ die for, He died so everyone in the world could be saved, "whoever believes in Him".

Christ isn't a Levite, Judaism's priests are all Levites. Christ is priest after the order of Melchizedek, and there is a change of the law, from Old Covenant to New Covenant which your theory doesn't account for:

1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated "king of righteousness," and then also king of Salem, meaning "king of peace,"
3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.
5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;
6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by the better.
8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak,
10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.
11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. (Heb. 7:1-12 NKJ)

Christ is the fulfillment of the LAW, its Perfection. God's Salvation, was opened to the Gentiles:

18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life." (Acts 11:18 NKJ)

Christ died for the sins of the whole world, not for us only:

NKJ 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. (1 Jn. 2:1-2 NKJ)

 

[jeremiah1five]

14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. (Jn. 3:14-17 NKJ)

In John 17 the unbelieving "World" is in contrast to God's people, but when you ask who did Christ die for, He died so everyone in the world could be saved, "whoever believes in Him".

Christ isn't a Levite, Judaism's priests are all Levites. Christ is priest after the order of Melchizedek, and there is a change of the law, from Old Covenant to New Covenant which your theory doesn't account for:

1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated "king of righteousness," and then also king of Salem, meaning "king of peace,"
3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.
5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;
6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by the better.
8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak,
10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.
11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. (Heb. 7:1-12 NKJ)

The word "world" in John 3:16 is the word "kosmos" and Strong defines the word as follows:

probably from the base of <G2865> (komizo); orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitant, literal or figurative [moral]).

You see, the Holy Spirit Who Authored the Scriptures wrote to Covenant people - people who are saved. Take it in context to His audience. The Word of God is NOT for unbelievers.

And the Holy Spirit does not stutter nor is He redundant.

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 Jn 2:15.

God is in effect saying do not love the world (unsaved, non-Covenant) nor the things in the world.

Can you handle that?

Otherwise, good reply.

Oh, and the only change had to do with the Sacrificial system in the Law. That's the only change. AND as you know any change in the Law would destroy the Law so really by Christ dying ONCE 'for all' (Covenant, Elect, book of life people) and after the change He destroyed that part of the Law dealing with sacrifice because of change which destroyed the Law of sacrifice. Now, prayer is a sacrifice and giving, and...

Again, can you handle it?

 

[Alfred Persson]

The word "world" in John 3:16 is the word "kosmos" and Strong defines the word as follows:

probably from the base of <G2865> (komizo); orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitant, literal or figurative [moral]).

You see, the Holy Spirit Who Authored the Scriptures wrote to Covenant people - people who are saved. Take it in context to His audience. The Word of God is NOT for unbelievers.

And the Holy Spirit does not stutter nor is He redundant.

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 Jn 2:15.

God is in effect saying do not love the world (unsaved, non-Covenant) nor the things in the world.

Can you handle that?

Otherwise, good reply.

Oh, and the only change had to do with the Sacrificial system in the Law. That's the only change. AND as you know any change in the Law would destroy the Law so really by Christ dying ONCE 'for all' (Covenant, Elect, book of life people) and after the change He destroyed that part of the Law dealing with sacrifice because of change which destroyed the Law of sacrifice. Now, prayer is a sacrifice and giving, and...

Again, can you handle it?

Love not the world = things of the world, not referring to people.

Context defines the meaning of a word that has many senses. World has many senses:

2889 kosmos
Meaning: 1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government 2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3 3) the world, the universe 4) the circle of the earth, the earth 5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race 6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ 7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly 7a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ 8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort 8a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc) 8a) of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19
Origin: probably from the base of 2865; TDNT - 3:868,459; n m
Usage: AV - world 186, adorning 1; 187
There are no notes for this verse.

God loved the world (its inhabitants) so much He gave His only begotten Son so whoever believes should not perish but have everlasting life.


I can handle that, its the truth of God.

PS: When you say the Bible is written only for God's people, that reminded me of the Jehovah's Witnesses who claim its only written for the 144,000 anointed. That's a cultic idea.

If the bible were written only to His children, then why do we read God appealing to the entire earth?

22 "Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.
23 I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. (Isa. 45:22-23 NKJ)

 

[jeremiah1five]

Love not the world = things of the world, not referring to people.

Context defines the meaning of a word that has many senses. World has many senses:

2889 kosmos
Meaning: 1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government 2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3 3) the world, the universe 4) the circle of the earth, the earth 5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race 6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ 7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly 7a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ 8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort 8a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc) 8a) of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19
Origin: probably from the base of 2865; TDNT - 3:868,459; n m
Usage: AV - world 186, adorning 1; 187
There are no notes for this verse.

God loved the world (its inhabitants) so much He gave His only begotten Son so whoever believes should not perish but have everlasting life.


I can handle that, its the truth of God.

PS: When you say the Bible is written only for God's people, that reminded me of the Jehovah's Witnesses who claim its only written for the 144,000 anointed. That's a cultic idea.

If the bible were written only to His children, then why do we read God appealing to the entire earth?

22 "Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.
23 I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. (Isa. 45:22-23 NKJ)

Does God really appeal to the entire earth, or to His people SCATTERED throughout the earth due to the Diaspora? And what of the Hebrews who left Germany before the Holocaust? They are scattered throughout the earth. AND what are the chances these "Jewish" people scattered married and sired "Samaritans," that is, half-"Jews?"
First, you have to qualify who the "world" are in John 3:16. The word "kosmos" was used to identify people as well as the "ornamental aspect" of the planet. How about we apply "world" to Mars? Being a lifeless planet as far as we know can it also mean "inhabitants?" Of course not. But God is not being redundant in 1 John 2:15 telling us to not love the "planet" nor the "things in/on the planet?" Makes no sense. God deals with people: Covenant and non-Covenant. It could apply to those who started "Earth Day" in 1970. Or He could be addressing loving His enemies. You know, those millions of people in Redemptive History from Adam to Christ and beyond who WERE NOT among God's Covenant people. And does God love those people whom when Christ returns DESTROYS with the sword from His mouth (Rev. 19:14ff)? IF God loves everyone and He destroys those He loves who are not in Covenant throughout history then in heaven I will be watching my back forever if God destroys those He loves because God loves everyone. Ya falla?

So, what Greek concordance are you using that TELLS YOU HOW to apply a simple Greek word as "kosmos?"

 

[Alfred Persson]

Does God really appeal to the entire earth, or to His people SCATTERED throughout the earth due to the Diaspora? And what of the Hebrews who left Germany before the Holocaust? They are scattered throughout the earth. AND what are the chances these "Jewish" people scattered married and sired "Samaritans," that is, half-"Jews?"
First, you have to qualify who the "world" are in John 3:16. The word "kosmos" was used to identify people as well as the "ornamental aspect" of the planet. How about we apply "world" to Mars? Being a lifeless planet as far as we know can it also mean "inhabitants?" Of course not. But God is not being redundant in 1 John 2:15 telling us to not love the "planet" nor the "things in/on the planet?" Makes no sense. God deals with people: Covenant and non-Covenant. It could apply to those who started "Earth Day" in 1970. Or He could be addressing loving His enemies. You know, those millions of people in Redemptive History from Adam to Christ and beyond who WERE NOT among God's Covenant people. And does God love those people whom when Christ returns DESTROYS with the sword from His mouth (Rev. 19:14ff)? IF God loves everyone and He destroys those He loves who are not in Covenant throughout history then in heaven I will be watching my back forever if God destroys those He loves because God loves everyone. Ya falla?

So, what Greek concordance are you using that TELLS YOU HOW to apply a simple Greek word as "kosmos?"

Interesting to limit God's outreach you focus on a text I say uses "world" to include all living AND all the dead in the KOSMOS. Notice the words in red, that logic refutes your argument precisely:

16 "For God so loved the world (2889 κόσμος kosmos) that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 "For God did not send His Son into the world (2889 κόσμος kosmos) to condemn the world (2889 κόσμος kosmos) , but that the world (2889 κόσμος kosmos) through Him might be saved.
18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16-18 NKJ)

In John 3:16-18 "world" (2889 κόσμος kosmos) appears four times, contrasting the kosmos from whence God’s Son came with "the kosmos of humanity." Therefore, it is impossible His Son saved only some in the kosmos --- excluding all born before Christ came or didn’t hear the Gospel of Christ after the 1st century.

Why? Because that is like saying God sent His Son to save everyone in the house, but He didn't save the people in the basement. The people in the basement are in the house just like everyone in other rooms.

God sent His Son to save the entire kosmos (Jn. 1:9, 29; 4:42; Rm. 5:10; 8:32; 2 Cor. 5:19) whether living or dead (Jn. 5:24-25, 28-29; Heb. 9:27-28; 1 Pt. 4:6) , all born into it since the world began. (Col. 1:20; Heb. 9:24-26; 1 Jn. 2:2; 4:9-10; 8:32)

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It is arrogant to say:

IF God loves everyone and He destroys those He loves who are not in Covenant throughout history then in heaven I will be watching my back forever if God destroys those He loves because God loves everyone. Ya falla?

God endured with much long suffering those who fitted themselves for His wrath, by choosing evil. It is not God's desire any be lost, but He will not violate free will nor will He allow the wicked to go unpunished. And if these evil doers won't glorify God for His love and Holiness, then they will glorify His love of Righteousness and pure Hatred of evil, and in themselves they will manifest the Holy judgments of God, to God's Glory:

3 They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying: "Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of the saints!
4 Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy. For all nations shall come and worship before You, For Your judgments have been manifested." (Rev. 15:3-4 NKJ)

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? (Rom. 9:22-24 NKJ)

Though they join forces, the wicked will not go unpunished; But the posterity of the righteous will be delivered. (Prov. 11:21 NKJ)

 

[Alfred Persson]

Does God really appeal to the entire earth, or to His people SCATTERED throughout the earth due to the Diaspora? And what of the Hebrews who left Germany before the Holocaust? They are scattered throughout the earth. AND what are the chances these "Jewish" people scattered married and sired "Samaritans," that is, half-"Jews?"
First, you have to qualify who the "world" are in John 3:16. The word "kosmos" was used to identify people as well as the "ornamental aspect" of the planet. How about we apply "world" to Mars? Being a lifeless planet as far as we know can it also mean "inhabitants?" Of course not. But God is not being redundant in 1 John 2:15 telling us to not love the "planet" nor the "things in/on the planet?" Makes no sense. God deals with people: Covenant and non-Covenant. It could apply to those who started "Earth Day" in 1970. Or He could be addressing loving His enemies. You know, those millions of people in Redemptive History from Adam to Christ and beyond who WERE NOT among God's Covenant people. And does God love those people whom when Christ returns DESTROYS with the sword from His mouth (Rev. 19:14ff)? IF God loves everyone and He destroys those He loves who are not in Covenant throughout history then in heaven I will be watching my back forever if God destroys those He loves because God loves everyone. Ya falla?

So, what Greek concordance are you using that TELLS YOU HOW to apply a simple Greek word as "kosmos?"

Deal with the argument, a giff doesn't do it:

16 "For God so loved the world (2889 κόσμος kosmos) that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 "For God did not send His Son into the world (2889 κόσμος kosmos) to condemn the world (2889 κόσμος kosmos) , but that the world (2889 κόσμος kosmos) through Him might be saved.
18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16-18 NKJ)

In John 3:16-18 "world" (2889 κόσμος kosmos) appears four times, contrasting the heaven from whence God’s Son came with "the kosmos of humanity." God loves the entire (2889 κόσμος kosmos) "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." Therefore, it is impossible only some in the kosmos are extended the offer to believe, that kosmos excludes all born before Christ or didn’t hear the Gospel of Christ after the 1st century.

Why? Because that is like saying God sent His Son to save everyone in the house/kosmos, but He didn't save anyone in the basement. The people in the basement are in the same house/kosmos just like everyone else.

God sent His Son to save the entire kosmos (Jn. 1:9, 29; 4:42; Rm. 5:10; 8:32; 2 Cor. 5:19) whether living or dead (Jn. 5:24-25, 28-29; Heb. 9:27-28; 1 Pt. 4:6) , all born into it since the world began. (Col. 1:20; Heb. 9:24-26; 1 Jn. 2:2; 4:9-10; 8:32)

 

[jeremiah1five]

Deal with the argument, a giff doesn't do it:


In John 3:16-18 "world" (2889 κόσμος kosmos) appears four times, contrasting the heaven from whence God’s Son came with "the kosmos of humanity." God loves the entire (2889 κόσμος kosmos) "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." Therefore, it is impossible only some in the kosmos are extended the offer to believe, that kosmos excludes all born before Christ or didn’t hear the Gospel of Christ after the 1st century.

Why? Because that is like saying God sent His Son to save everyone in the house/kosmos, but He didn't save anyone in the basement. The people in the basement are in the same house/kosmos just like everyone else.

God sent His Son to save the entire kosmos (Jn. 1:9, 29; 4:42; Rm. 5:10; 8:32; 2 Cor. 5:19) whether living or dead (Jn. 5:24-25, 28-29; Heb. 9:27-28; 1 Pt. 4:6) , all born into it since the world began. (Col. 1:20; Heb. 9:24-26; 1 Jn. 2:2; 4:9-10; 8:32)

IF God loves everyone then why did He kill everyone NOT in the Adamic Covenant? How about the millions whom God killed who died in the Flood who did NOT find grace in the eyes of God? IF God loves everyone, why did He kill everyone who was NOT in the Abrahamic Covenant? That was a Family Covenant that extended to Isaac and Jacob? And if God loves everyone why did He kill millions of Egyptian especially their first-born, all first-born men, women, children, and babies? IF God loves everyone why did He kill through Command to Joshua when entering the Promised Land ALL men, women, children, babies, livestock, goat, sheep, dogs, etc.< who were NOT in the Abrahamic Covenant? IF God loves everyone why did God order David to destroy UTTERLY God's and His enemies who were NOT in Covenant with God? IF that's what you believe, and I get to heaven I will be watching my back FOREVER if God loves everyone. According to your theology of belief God kills and destroys those He loves!
Wow!

 

[Alfred Persson]

IF God loves everyone then why did He kill everyone NOT in the Adamic Covenant? How about the millions whom God killed who died in the Flood who did NOT find grace in the eyes of God? IF God loves everyone, why did He kill everyone who was NOT in the Abrahamic Covenant? That was a Family Covenant that extended to Isaac and Jacob? And if God loves everyone why did He kill millions of Egyptian especially their first-born, all first-born men, women, children, and babies? IF God loves everyone why did He kill through Command to Joshua when entering the Promised Land ALL men, women, children, babies, livestock, goat, sheep, dogs, etc.< who were NOT in the Abrahamic Covenant? IF God loves everyone why did God order David to destroy UTTERLY God's and His enemies who were NOT in Covenant with God? IF that's what you believe, and I get to heaven I will be watching my back FOREVER if God loves everyone. According to your theology of belief God kills and destroys those He loves!
Wow!

You confuse God's judgment for sin, with natural death that all die because in Adam death is passed on.

When God "kills" a human being, its a relocation. The person still exists, in Hades. On Judgment Day some will rise to life, others to condemnation. Its not over until its over.

When the Israelites were commanded to kill everyone, including woman and children, it was a act of mercy. There weren't any social programs, welfare etc. back then. Life was hard, many didn't live past their 30th birthday.

If the man of the house died in battle, the family starved, cast out of any home they had. Unlike America, they died of starvation and disease, both women and children. And cast out of their land, both women and children would be raped, starved and enslaved or worse.

So they were relocated to the afterlife where they will wait for the resurrection. Both good and bad people are in Sheol/Hades, its only torment for the wicked.

And we can't forget, those people fought God, resisted His plan to give the Land to the Israelites and they were idolatrous. The parents were guilty, not innocent. They could have joined the Israelites like Rahab the prostitute did in Jericho.

They were guilty of fighting God, knowing full well what God did in Egypt:

3 So the king of Jericho sent to Rahab, saying, "Bring out the men who have come to you, who have entered your house, for they have come to search out all the country."
4 Then the woman took the two men and hid them. So she said, "Yes, the men came to me, but I did not know where they were from.
5 "And it happened as the gate was being shut, when it was dark, that the men went out. Where the men went I do not know; pursue them quickly, for you may overtake them."
6 (But she had brought them up to the roof and hidden them with the stalks of flax, which she had laid in order on the roof.)
7 Then the men pursued them by the road to the Jordan, to the fords. And as soon as those who pursued them had gone out, they shut the gate.
8 Now before they lay down, she came up to them on the roof,
9 and said to the men: "I know that the LORD has given you the land, that the terror of you has fallen on us, and that all the inhabitants of the land are fainthearted because of you.
10 "For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red Sea for you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to the two kings of the Amorites who were on the other side of the Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom you utterly destroyed.
11 "And as soon as we heard these things, our hearts melted; neither did there remain any more courage in anyone because of you, for the LORD your God, He is God in heaven above and on earth beneath.
12 "Now therefore, I beg you, swear to me by the LORD, since I have shown you kindness, that you also will show kindness to my father's house, and give me a true token,
13 "and spare my father, my mother, my brothers, my sisters, and all that they have, and deliver our lives from death."
14 So the men answered her, "Our lives for yours, if none of you tell this business of ours. And it shall be, when the LORD has given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with you." (Jos. 2:3-14 NKJ)

And you are close to insulting God. I understand you are trying to make a point, but its going to far to say God's love is somehow hate.