Who Does the Work?

[GodsGrace]

Some will say that we do the work but with the help of the Holy Spirit,
IOW, through God.

Romans 8:26a The Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness.
26In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness;

Acts 1:8a We receive power through the Holy Spirit.
8but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you;

Romans 8:2 Tells us we are set free from the law of sin through life in Christ.
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.


Others believe that it is God that is doing everything for us and all we have to do is to believe.

Some verses cited are:

Philippians 1:6 God begins the work and completes the work.
6For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

Titus 3:5 Tells us we are not saved by our deeds
5He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

And the ever-present ---

Isaiah 64:6a We are told that this means that our works are as filthy rags and our efforts, or good deeds, are useless.
6For all of us have become like one who is unclean,
And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment;


So which do you believe is right?

Do we work through God...
or does God work through us?
Are we supposed to do any work at all or is it sinful by trying to help God,
as some understand.

 

[JohnDB]

So with a lot of hard work and dedication and then somehow pleasing God enough we get a recipe for success?

So we are allowing God to help us be successful.

Yeah... like that's how things work.



Ask Zachariah and Elizabeth if that's how they got John the Baptist as their son.

 

[JLB]

Some will say that we do the work but with the help of the Holy Spirit,
IOW, through God.

Romans 8:26a The Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness.
26In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness;

Acts 1:8a We receive power through the Holy Spirit.
8but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you;

Romans 8:2 Tells us we are set free from the law of sin through life in Christ.
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.


Others believe that it is God that is doing everything for us and all we have to do is to believe.

Some verses cited are:

Philippians 1:6 God begins the work and completes the work.
6For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

Titus 3:5 Tells us we are not saved by our deeds
5He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

And the ever-present ---

Isaiah 64:6a We are told that this means that our works are as filthy rags and our efforts, or good deeds, are useless.
6For all of us have become like one who is unclean,
And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment;


So which do you believe is right?

Do we work through God...
or does God work through us?
Are we supposed to do any work at all or is it sinful by trying to help God,
as some understand.

Great thread topic.

There will always be those who mock and deride those who believe the Bible.


I think we all agree that we can do nothing without Him, and the grace He gives us to love, pray, understand, practice righteousness and everything that pertains to eternal life and godliness.


God desires us to live our life and pursue our purpose according to the pattern His Son, Jesus Christ set for us as an example.

Its our life to live, and it’s up to us to yield to His will and purpose or do our own thing.

Each of us is accountable for our own decisions and actions.



Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:22-23

• you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit

This is how salvation begins, and how the Christian life has been designed to be lived.


This is being led by the Spirit.


Paul says it this way -


For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Romans 8:13-14

• but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Make no mistake, “live” here in this context refers to eternal life.


Again, same MO as Peter, with us yielding to the power of the Spirit, to harness our will and action to bring about a specific divine result.



Again, this is how we are led by the Spirit of God.


For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.




JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

So with a lot of hard work and dedication and then somehow pleasing God enough we get a recipe for success?

So we are allowing God to help us be successful.

Yeah... like that's how things work.



Ask Zachariah and Elizabeth if that's how they got John the Baptist as their son.

Zachariah and Elizabeth aren't around anymore.
Did you read the O.P.?

Do you believe we do the will of God with the help of the Holy Spirit...
or do you believe Jesus did it all and we don't need to do anything?

Your first paragraph sounds like you're thinking about becoming saved...this is not what this thread is about. It's speaking about persons that are already saved.

Do you not believe work is necessary at all?
Do you not believe we need to be dedicated to God?

 

[GodsGrace]

Great thread topic.

There will always be those who mock and deride those who believe the Bible.

Right.
I've come across this. I've been told that it's a sin to attempt to help Jesus - this in regards to obedience and/or works. I often ask what they believe Jesus taught for 3 1/2 years if there was nothing that WE are required to do.

I think we all agree that we can do nothing without Him, and the grace He gives us to love, pray, understand, practice righteousness and everything that pertains to eternal life and godliness.

Jesus Himself says this clearly in John 15:5.
It's through the power of the Holy Spirit that we can choose not to sin...this is grace given to us by God in order to be able to do His will....

God desires us to live our life and pursue our purpose according to the pattern His Son, Jesus Christ set for us as an example.

Its our life to live, and it’s up to us to yield to His will and purpose or do our own thing.

Each of us is accountable for our own decisions and actions.

And here we encounter free will. The will to have a choice in a moral decision. Without free will it is impossible to be responsible for our individual sins.

Galatians 5:13 tells us we are free to make moral choices
13For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:22-23

• you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit

This is how salvation begins, and how the Christian life has been designed to be lived.


This is being led by the Spirit.


Paul says it this way -


For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Romans 8:13-14

• but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Make no mistake, “live” here in this context refers to eternal life.

When the N.T. speaks about life, or "live", it is speaking about our eternal condition, as you've stated. There are just a few examples where this is not true (for example: when Jesus states He has come to give us a life more abundant...this refers to our life now, John 10:10).

Jesus said HE is the LIfe, and no one comes to the Father but through Him. John 14:6

John 6:27
27“Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.”

and more...

Again, same MO as Peter, with us yielding to the power of the Spirit, to harness our will and action to bring about a specific divine result.


For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.




JLB

A divine result could be
Colossians 3:5-10
5Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.
6For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience,
7and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them.
8But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.
9Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices,
10and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him—

 

[JohnDB]

Zachariah and Elizabeth aren't around anymore.
Did you read the O.P.?

Do you believe we do the will of God with the help of the Holy Spirit...
or do you believe Jesus did it all and we don't need to do anything?

Your first paragraph sounds like you're thinking about becoming saved...this is not what this thread is about. It's speaking about persons that are already saved.

Do you not believe work is necessary at all?
Do you not believe we need to be dedicated to God?

When I think of "works" for God...the things I described in the post you quoted are the result.

I'm sure that Zachariah and Elizabeth thought that if they did ALL the right things and asked God for a child that they would get one. It didn't happen for them when they were of child bearing years...and they gave up on having children. All he was supposed to do is follow their ketuba and they would have a child. (Activities related to a marriage contract)

The twelve disciples needed to pay the Temple Tax. Jesus asked the fisherman Peter to throw a net one time and take that fish to pry it's mouth open to get the coin that would pay the tax. Net casting and fishing were easy for Peter....he would throw his net hundreds of times every time he went fishing...
So the "work" Peter was asked to do was something very easy to accomplish for him...for me it would have been difficult... never fished that way. Matthew probably couldn't do it that way either. Judas had probably spent the money they had. John woulda just asked his father for the money. Phillip woulda spent a couple of days talking someone out of the money...you get the idea.

I believe that we should do good works from an extension of idolizing what God has done for us. Not for any other reason. Not because it makes God like us more, not because we think that others will follow suit...but just because that's who have become.

One of my favorite stories is about a guy who just did a normal thing for a Christian man...and that little, almost thoughtless action, had a huge payoff.
Acts/works don't have to be a form of self flagellation to be wonderful or hugely successful. They are in the easy things we don't give a second thought to doing. God's responsible for the outcome.

 

[atpollard]

or do you believe Jesus did it all and we don't need to do anything?

Does anyone believe this?
Does anyone believe that they have been called to a new birth to bear no fruit? To do no good works which God has prepared for us to walk in?

I have never met anyone what believes this.
I have met many people that believe that our salvation is based 100% on God’s works and 0% on our works of righteousness.

Grace is the ROOT of salvation and Works are the FRUIT of salvation.

 

[Boaz]

Zachariah and Elizabeth aren't around anymore.
Did you read the O.P.?

Do you believe we do the will of God with the help of the Holy Spirit...
or do you believe Jesus did it all and we don't need to do anything?

Your first paragraph sounds like you're thinking about becoming saved...this is not what this thread is about. It's speaking about persons that are already saved.

Do you not believe work is necessary at all?
Do you not believe we need to be dedicated to God?

Jesus did the work necessary for salvation.
The work necessary for salvation is perfect obedience all the time, which no person born since the fall is able to do, as sin resides in us.
That is the work that Jesus did for us. That perfect work of Jesus (who was born WITHOUT sin in Him) qualified Him to become the perfect sacrifice, paying IN FULL the sin debt for Believers.
No other work is needed for SALVATION.
The Holy Spirit dwelling in Believers PRODUCES works. The Spirit produces His own fruit. That would involve us doing the doing, who else? But it is the Holy Spirit that causes this fruit, through our hearts changed by Him, His word given light in our hearts and minds, by our submitting to God's instruction in His Word and doing it,(and this too is the Holy Spirit's work in us).
It isn't a question of whether or not we need to do work. If we are saved we WILL produce fruit, works. Never perfectly, and always it is a progressive, ongoing process but there will always be fruit.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

I've been listening to sermons recorded and then broadcast on the radio for a while now when I'm commuting to work or coming home. In one of those sermons the pastor was talking about spreading the gospel and saving others. I think a point he made there can be applied to works in general, and as part of the topic.

The pastor said that we should put every effort into our ministry so that our best is what we have to offer, and it does not fail because we weren't commited to the ministry. But that said, he also quickly followed up that we need to recognize that it's not by our actions that any work is successful, but through God who lets any success of the ministry happen. The topic was a great balance between being commited to the work that we do, in whatever ministry we do it in, as well as faithful recognition that it's in God's hands not our own.

A second point (from that pastor's sermon or another sermon from someone else, sorry I forget where) is that God wants us in His work. That we aren't needed in any ministry and that God can do it all with our without our assistance in the matter. But God wants us to share in His ministry, in His works, and therefore allows us to strive to do the good that we can and provides the oppurtunities for us to do them.

The two things to take away from this is that if we ignore an oppurtunity, it might not come back with someone else finishing the job we had the oppurtunity to be part of, so take that part seriously (failure is an option as a consquence of ignoring what we should have done). And secondly, that even though we do a work, it's not our actions that are making the difference, it's God doing the work itself, and just giving us the oppurtunity to share in that work God was going to do. That sermon compared service with God to a father being next to his son or daughter while they try to fix their car. Even though the actions are done by the son or daughter, it's the dad being right there that lets them be successful in fixing the car. But if the kids won't put the effort to fix the car, even though the dad can do it without them, He wanted them to be part of it and won't fix it for them.

The two points (possibly from different sermons) highlight that we should work as if everything depends on our effort, and know that this is just an oppurtunity for us to be part of the ministry that God's helped us be in. Yet still know that it's not us that accomplishes anything, it's God's doing. The points were strengthened by examples in the sermon of the pastor trying to spread the gospel and save people. And some of his best efforts came out to nothing, but other efforts that he was suprised by were a huge success. Showing that it's through God not through us, that people are saved.

 

[GodsGrace]

When I think of "works" for God...the things I described in the post you quoted are the result.

I'm sure that Zachariah and Elizabeth thought that if they did ALL the right things and asked God for a child that they would get one. It didn't happen for them when they were of child bearing years...and they gave up on having children. All he was supposed to do is follow their ketuba and they would have a child. (Activities related to a marriage contract)

The twelve disciples needed to pay the Temple Tax. Jesus asked the fisherman Peter to throw a net one time and take that fish to pry it's mouth open to get the coin that would pay the tax. Net casting and fishing were easy for Peter....he would throw his net hundreds of times every time he went fishing...
So the "work" Peter was asked to do was something very easy to accomplish for him...for me it would have been difficult... never fished that way. Matthew probably couldn't do it that way either. Judas had probably spent the money they had. John woulda just asked his father for the money. Phillip woulda spent a couple of days talking someone out of the money...you get the idea.

I believe that we should do good works from an extension of idolizing what God has done for us. Not for any other reason. Not because it makes God like us more, not because we think that others will follow suit...but just because that's who have become.

One of my favorite stories is about a guy who just did a normal thing for a Christian man...and that little, almost thoughtless action, had a huge payoff.
Acts/works don't have to be a form of self flagellation to be wonderful or hugely successful. They are in the easy things we don't give a second thought to doing. God's responsible for the outcome.

I'm happy you explained.

I agree with you.

I might not have explained properly in the O.P.
No need to flagellate ourselves....God loves us and we are His children.

We are created FOR or UNTO good works/deeds.

The point I was making is that some Christians say all the time that it's not NECESSARY to do good works. They say that Jesus has done everything for us and they go to the extreme and say that if we try to do good works we're trying to "help Him out" and this is sinful. I hear references to how our works are as filthy rags, from Isaiah and even this is taken totally out of context.

Someone on this very forum once declared he could blaspheme the Holy Spirit and still be saved. I'm speaking to THIS.

Some are afraid of admitting God must be obeyed.
Are we supposed to be afraid of obeying God?

Works don't save us...but faith without works is a dead faith.
James 2:17 because it is by itself and has no good outcome.

I do think, however, that perhaps doing good works does make God like us more --- this in a human understanding. In the sense that if we are able to do good works and do not...is God still pleased with us?

 

[GodsGrace]

Does anyone believe this?
Does anyone believe that they have been called to a new birth to bear no fruit? To do no good works which God has prepared for us to walk in?

I have never met anyone what believes this.
I have met many people that believe that our salvation is based 100% on God’s works and 0% on our works of righteousness.

Grace is the ROOT of salvation and Works are the FRUIT of salvation.

I agree.
Salvation is 100% the work of God alone.
This is justification.

Yes, I've read posts on these forums from some rather unsavory persons that believe they are saved and that deny that ANY works/good deeds are necessary to "maintain" that salvation.
I've been told it's a sin to try to help God.

Of course we should be bearing good fruit...this is what Jesus said.
Matthew 7:17
He also said we cannot do this on our own...John 15:5 and that He would send us a helper, John 16:7

I DO believe it's necessary to obey God and I do believe you would agree...John 3:36 He that does not obey will see the wrath of God.

 

[JohnDB]

I'm happy you explained.

I agree with you.

I might not have explained properly in the O.P.
No need to flagellate ourselves....God loves us and we are His children.

We are created FOR or UNTO good works/deeds.

The point I was making is that some Christians say all the time that it's not NECESSARY to do good works. They say that Jesus has done everything for us and they go to the extreme and say that if we try to do good works we're trying to "help Him out" and this is sinful. I hear references to how our works are as filthy rags, from Isaiah and even this is taken totally out of context.

Someone on this very forum once declared he could blaspheme the Holy Spirit and still be saved. I'm speaking to THIS.

Some are afraid of admitting God must be obeyed.
Are we supposed to be afraid of obeying God?

Works don't save us...but faith without works is a dead faith.
James 2:17 because it is by itself and has no good outcome.

I do think, however, that perhaps doing good works does make God like us more --- this in a human understanding. In the sense that if we are able to do good works and do not...is God still pleased with us?

Try replacing the word "faith" with the word "trust".

Now try the James passage again...

Trust in God without works (like obedience, giving nature, loving fellow man, and good deeds) is dead....

Kinda has a bit more punch eh?

Which is why I claim that many groups of people who claim Christ but refuse to give up particular sins aren't Christian whatsoever.

There is a good argument that can be made that using the grace that covers our sins as a license to sin is the mark of the beast.

So...yeah....just because you think that the train won't hit you because trains have brakes so you refuse to get off the train tracks...let's see if that really works out.

People either exhibit gratitude to God or not. Where I can't speak for God...I know how I'd feel about the situation.

 

[for_his_glory]

John 12:49 For I (Jesus) have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye (we) that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

What we speak is given to us by the Father as He gave to Jesus what to speak. As the Holy Spirit teaching us all things will bring all His words back to our memory as we take the Gospel of grace out into the world. Isaiah 64:6 our righteousness is as a filthy rag to God for there is nothing we can work for within God's salvation as it is a free gift to all who will accept it. We are His workmanship created in Christ being faithful servants unto Him as the good works are the continued works of Christ.

These are the good works of the Lord we continue in while here on earth

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

 

[iLOVE]

Exodus 3

“1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb. (What God would do with Moses was not learned in the palaces of Egypt, but was learned at “the backside of the desert.”)

2 And the Angel of the Lord (actually, the Lord Himself) appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush (40 years in the desert was needed to humble the strength of the “flesh” and destroy its hope; the possible king of Egypt was now an obscure shepherd): and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. (The flame of fire in the lowly desert bush — the emblem of Deity and Humanity of Christ — and the great name “I AM” proceeding out from the fire revealed this Almighty Power to Moses. If it’s done in the flesh, it will consume the person, i.e., “the bush”; however, if it’s done by the Power of the Holy Spirit, the bush will burn and not be consumed.)”

JSM

 

[iLOVE]

Our works and obedience in our own strength, knowledge, and ability is like fifthly rags to the LORD, i.e., produce by the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." Gen. 2:17 says we shall not eat of it (as for the “evil,” that was obvious; however, it is the “good” on this tree that deceives much of the world; the “good” speaks of religion; the definition of religion pertains to a system devised by men in order to bring about Salvation, to reach God, or to better oneself in some way; because it is devised by man, it is unacceptable to God; God’s answer to the dilemma of the human race is “Jesus Christ and Him Crucified” [I Cor. 1:23]): for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die (speaks of spiritual death, which is separation from God; let it be understood that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was not the cause of Adam’s Fall; it was a failure to heed and obey the Word of God, which is the cause of every single failure; spiritual death ultimately brought on physical death, and has, in fact, filled the world with death, all because of the Fall).

JSM

The Apostle Paul said that the good that he had did deceived him (Rom. 7:11).

 

[JLB]

Right.
I've come across this. I've been told that it's a sin to attempt to help Jesus - this in regards to obedience and/or works. I often ask what they believe Jesus taught for 3 1/2 years if there was nothing that WE are required to do.

Yes there is plenty of false doctrine floating around, being peddled by people who have no business trying to teach until they have studied to show themselves approved.

Most are just regurgitating the teachings of man.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Jesus Himself says this clearly in John 15:5.
It's through the power of the Holy Spirit that we can choose not to sin...this is grace given to us by God in order to be able to do His will....

Amen

 

[JLB]

And here we encounter free will. The will to have a choice in a moral decision. Without free will it is impossible to be responsible for our individual sins.

Galatians 5:13 tells us we are free to make moral choices
13For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

This seems to be the root of much of the false teachings going around, where it’s always someone else’s fault that we sin

“God made me this way” is very popular.

Or

“We were chosen for salvation and there’s nothing we can do to lose it”.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Our works and obedience in our own strength, knowledge, and ability is like fifthly rags to the LORD, i.e., produce by the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." Gen. 2:17 says we shall not eat of it (as for the “evil,” that was obvious; however, it is the “good” on this tree that deceives much of the world; the “good” speaks of religion; the definition of religion pertains to a system devised by men in order to bring about Salvation, to reach God, or to better oneself in some way; because it is devised by man, it is unacceptable to God; God’s answer to the dilemma of the human race is “Jesus Christ and Him Crucified” [I Cor. 1:23]): for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die (speaks of spiritual death, which is separation from God; let it be understood that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was not the cause of Adam’s Fall; it was a failure to heed and obey the Word of God, which is the cause of every single failure; spiritual death ultimately brought on physical death, and has, in fact, filled the world with death, all because of the Fall).

JSM

The Apostle Paul said that the good that he had did deceived him (Rom. 7:11).

Do you believe if we obey Jesus Christ our Lord, then we are practicing man’s religion ?


JLB

 

[JLB]

Jesus asked the fisherman Peter to throw a net one time and take that fish to pry it's mouth open to get the coin that would pay the tax. Net casting and fishing were easy for Peter....he would throw his net hundreds of times every time he went fishing...

Peter was used to catching fish with a net as a commercial fisherman, one who made his living from catching fish.

However this was different with the gold coin in the mouth of the fish.

Peter would have to do something different to get the divine result from faith.


Nevertheless, lest we offend them, go to the sea, cast in a hook, and take the fish that comes up first. And when you have opened its mouth, you will find a piece of money; take that and give it to them for Me and you. Matthew 17:27


Peter acted in obedience to the voice of the Lord, and cast in a hook and pulled up a single fish that had a gold coin in its mouth.

This is how we also will be blessed by the obedience of faith, with supernatural results.


Sometimes it will be doing something a little different, which helps us to rely on hearing the voice of the Lord; the voice of the Spirit, so we don’t rely on our own ability.


Working in harmony with the Spirit, being led by the Spirit, is how we walk as Jesus walked.



JLB