Who is bad or who is good

[johnfowler1551]

Is Russia bad or is us. The bible says the countries that help Iran Syria turkey Ethiopia and maybe another is gog n Magog. Who is helping those countries? I'm lost on who to believe. Acts says don't join the empire. I depend on some of it. Who is the good and who is the evil?

 

[PeterJens]

I don't know much about eschatology, but I do agree with you that the Kings of Europe have no power,
and the Vatican even less.

The banks rule nowadays.

Italy has suffered much in the past 10 or so years just to appease bankers.

This raises a question in my mind.

"The banks rule nowdays"

Wealth has always ruled, because wealth is manpower available to do useful work.
What is useful is whatever keeps the group alive, literally. Without a workforce you have no power, ie no one to be able to change what is.

When things go wrong paper(money) is often in the wrong place and being used by the wrong people. The banks who count the paper, to stay in business need to move the paper from failures to successes. It is this brutal and this simple.

In a stable society, it is possible to manipulate the system so a few benefit while most suffer. This disparity always leads to violence, as the majority soon come to realise they do not have to put up with this. Democracy is an attempt to give vent to these forces so that society shifts so the majority are content to a degree that works without the need for revolution or war.

A healthy society protects the weak and gives opportunity for the creative and change makers who can advance areas in how our society functions. Dictators flourish where the society fails, and imposed structure works better than chaos.

So one can see the ebbs and flows of history where the competing forces come to play, and we today are at the democratic pinnacle which if it cannot solve consumer product production alongside climate change, we will drift into dictatorships.

 

[miamited]

Hi johnfowler1551

I believe that the Scriptures tell us that after the rapture, all the nations of the earth will rise up against Jesus and his army when they come to conquer. So, I'm not particularly sold that, in God's sight, any nation on the earth is good.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Edward]

Is Russia bad or is us. The bible says the countries that help Iran Syria turkey Ethiopia and maybe another is gog n Magog. Who is helping those countries? I'm lost on who to believe. Acts says don't join the empire. I depend on some of it. Who is the good and who is the evil?

The word on the street is that Russia is doing a good thing there and the Ukranian govt is corrupt and the elitest american govt is all wrapped up up in it to.

So according to my understanding, in this war, USA bad, Russia good.

Have you ever listened to Putin talk? When Putin talks, it is not the same man that the American media purport him to be.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Canada is ultra liberal.
Their laws are not conducive to freedom.
I don't think there is a place...

But no one thinks they are Babylon. That was my point.

 

[GodsGrace]

The word on the street is that Russia is doing a good thing there and the Ukranian govt is corrupt and the elitest american govt is all wrapped up up in it to.

So according to my understanding, in this war, USA bad, Russia good.

Have you ever listened to Putin talk? When Putin talks, it is not the same man that the American media purport him to be.

Ed,
How could war be a good thing?
And the Russian soldiers are horrendous.

 

[Michael The Archangel]

I known another more exact interpretation

Impossible.

 

[GodsGrace]

This raises a question in my mind.

"The banks rule nowdays"

Wealth has always ruled, because wealth is manpower available to do useful work.
What is useful is whatever keeps the group alive, literally. Without a workforce you have no power, ie no one to be able to change what is.

I agree about wealth ruling.
But banks are institutions.
The Italian population was taxed back in 2011, if i remember the year correctly,. because banks had to be kept operational. OTOH, if they were allowed to close, many would have lost life-savings.

This is not a responsible institution.

When things go wrong paper(money) is often in the wrong place and being used by the wrong people. The banks who count the paper, to stay in business need to move the paper from failures to successes. It is this brutal and this simple.

In a stable society, it is possible to manipulate the system so a few benefit while most suffer. This disparity always leads to violence, as the majority soon come to realise they do not have to put up with this. Democracy is an attempt to give vent to these forces so that society shifts so the majority are content to a degree that works without the need for revolution or war.

A healthy society protects the weak and gives opportunity for the creative and change makers who can advance areas in how our society functions. Dictators flourish where the society fails, and imposed structure works better than chaos.

So one can see the ebbs and flows of history where the competing forces come to play, and we today are at the democratic pinnacle which if it cannot solve consumer product production alongside climate change, we will drift into dictatorships.

Yes. I think that's where we're headed.
And mostly, also, because so many don't realize what's happening.
(are we in the conspiracy forum? LOL).

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Impossible.

It’s true

 

[Michael The Archangel]

It’s true

Then why don't you share this interpretation of Revelations 17:12-18?

 

[Edward]

Ed,
How could war be a good thing?
And the Russian soldiers are horrendous.

didn't say that the war is a good thing. said that Russia is purported to be there for a good reason.

If the Russian soldiers are horrendous then they're just trained well. The US soldiers can certainly be vicious themselves, even if that part don't make it on the news. That's merely part of being a soldier.

 

[for_his_glory]

No you are trying your best to redeem yourself. Was it you who wrote a book? Well, you can't allow yourself to be proven wrong because of that and unfortunately that is a restrictive mindset. You can show me where my message is wrong or otherwise realize that getting me to accept your version is useless. And it just so happens that there are more verses about Michael the Archangel.

I have no reason to redeem myself and actually I have written two books but only use them for teaching others. I have been proven wrong many times by those who have better Spiritual understanding then I have and I truly appreciate that as none of us knows everything and sometimes we are wrong. I will be the first to admit when I am wrong.

I agree with Dorothy Mae that you and I are getting off topic so if you want to start a new thread in the Theology forum about Michael the Archangel please tag me in it.

 

[Michael The Archangel]

I have no reason to redeem myself and actually I have written two books but only use them for teaching others. I have been proven wrong many times by those who have better Spiritual understanding then I have and I truly appreciate that as none of us knows everything and sometimes we are wrong. I will be the first to admit when I am wrong.

I agree with Dorothy Mae that you and I are getting off topic so if you want to start a new thread in the Theology forum about Michael the Archangel please tag me in it.

Whatever you say, and so I will tag you there, after I have finished a response to a lengthy argument in that thread.

 

[GodsGrace]

didn't say that the war is a good thing. said that Russia is purported to be there for a good reason.

If the Russian soldiers are horrendous then they're just trained well. The US soldiers can certainly be vicious themselves, even if that part don't make it on the news. That's merely part of being a soldier.

But we hear of what the soldiers are doing by persons that are escaping.
It seems to be the norm...I don't think this is true for American soldiers, although anything can happen - but it's not the rule but the exception.

I don't know what good reason there could be for invading a neighboring country.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

didn't say that the war is a good thing. said that Russia is purported to be there for a good reason.

If the Russian soldiers are horrendous then they're just trained well. The US soldiers can certainly be vicious themselves, even if that part don't make it on the news. That's merely part of being a soldier.

US soldiers are taught to rape? They’re taught to bomb hospitals in particular? They’re taught to take POWs and line them up and shoot them? I worked with the US military in Germany during the Gulf War and they weren’t taught this that I could detect. People trained to treat other people with such contempt are different.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Then why don't you share this interpretation of Revelations 17:12-18?

Bring this up in the Endtimes section

 

[Edward]

US soldiers are taught to rape? They’re taught to bomb hospitals in particular? They’re taught to take POWs and line them up and shoot them? I worked with the US military in Germany during the Gulf War and they weren’t taught this that I could detect. People trained to treat other people with such contempt are different.

Am I missing your point here? You go from are they trained to rape to I know that they are not trained to do such things, so what is your question?

I thought she meant that the soldiers have been being brutal. Bombing hospitals you say? Were there soldiers hiding out in the hospital? Were they storing weapons there? It seems like in these days it has become somewhat fashionable to hide out in hospitals and schools. If soldiers are operating out of a hospital, then word will get out and you don't think the enemy would target a hospital where the terrorists or soldiers have taken refuge behind the women & kids?

Oh it sounds terrible, we agree there. But if some soldiers are (losing) then it might seem an attractive option to hide out in the hositl for awhile. So if you have soldiers in a hospital, and opposing soldiers outside, can only one side be allowed to fire?! Don't fall for the propaganda, Dorothy. You have as much of a clue as to what is really happening there as I do which is none.

The number one rule of war, is deception.

Hey boys, we're going to store our biologicals at the hospital and if they find out about it and hit it, then we just show video of a bombed out hospital and make them look bad...You're smarter than that aren't you?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Am I missing your point here? You go from are they trained to rape to I know that they are not trained to do such things, so what is your question?

I thought she meant that the soldiers have been being brutal. Bombing hospitals you say? Were there soldiers hiding out in the hospital? Were they storing weapons there? It seems like in these days it has become somewhat fashionable to hide out in hospitals and schools. If soldiers are operating out of a hospital, then word will get out and you don't think the enemy would target a hospital where the terrorists or soldiers have taken refuge behind the women & kids?

Oh it sounds terrible, we agree there. But if some soldiers are (losing) then it might seem an attractive option to hide out in the hositl for awhile. So if you have soldiers in a hospital, and opposing soldiers outside, can only one side be allowed to fire?! Don't fall for the propaganda, Dorothy. You have as much of a clue as to what is really happening there as I do which is none.

The number one rule of war, is deception.

Hey boys, we're going to store our biologicals at the hospital and if they find out about it and hit it, then we just show video of a bombed out hospital and make them look bad...You're smarter than that aren't you?

US soldiers are not trained to be brutal. Brutal in this case means raping and executing unarmed prisoners. And there were no military weapons stored at the hospital. Not at the shopping center either. You are making up excuses that no one claims is the “reason.”

When people are reporting the Russians are engaging in war crimes, NO ONE says it was justified or all soldiers do this. No one. Not even the Russians say all soldiers do this. The Russians did this in WWIi. Except for Russian soldiers, is wasn’t common.

 

[Edward]

US soldiers are not trained to be brutal. Brutal in this case means raping and executing unarmed prisoners. And there were no military weapons stored at the hospital. Not at the shopping center either. You are making up excuses that no one claims is the “reason.”

When people are reporting the Russians are engaging in war crimes, NO ONE says it was justified or all soldiers do this. No one. Not even the Russians say all soldiers do this. The Russians did this in WWIi. Except for Russian soldiers, is wasn’t common.

Ok, so buy into it if you want to. But it is the sin nature in man which makes such things sound like a good idea.

The first man who decides to send in troops to an area may have a righteous idea behind his actions to order troops in...but each individual soldier has his own mind and lusts of the heart. But, whatever. Believe as you wish to.

Both sides lie and you shouldn't trust anything you hear and only half of what you see. We wont find out until Heaven what really was happening in Ukraine.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Ok, so buy into it if you want to. But it is the sin nature in man which makes such things sound like a good idea.

The first man who decides to send in troops to an area may have a righteous idea behind his actions to order troops in...but each individual soldier has his own mind and lusts of the heart. But, whatever. Believe as you wish to.

Both sides lie and you shouldn't trust anything you hear and only half of what you see. We wont find out until Heaven what really was happening in Ukraine.

Well I base my view on facts, not Augustinian theology formed millennia ago to explain why US soldiers are (supposedly) brutal. I take it you never worked inside the military. I did and know them. Both my parents served in the military and so I know they are not brutal.

 

[Edward]

Well I base my view on facts, not Augustinian theology formed millennia ago to explain why US soldiers are (supposedly) brutal. I take it you never worked inside the military. I did and know them. Both my parents served in the military and so I know they are not brutal.

What is Augustinian theology? And it's impossible to know the facts without having our own boots on the ground over there. That means I have no facts. That means you have no facts.

Quit trying to make me into some sort of badguy. All I posted is what the word on the street is. Do you think that I have firsthand knowledge of the situation over there? That's a good one, lol.