Who is the antichrist?

[savedbygrace57]

opposers of the Truth are antichrist !

Notice one of the characteristics paul gives of this Antichrist:

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The word opposeth is the greek word antikeimai:

to be set over against, opposite to

2) to oppose, be adverse to, withstand

Its also the word adversary used 5 times in the NT

lk 13:

17And when he had said these things, all his adversaries were ashamed: and all the people rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by him.

lk 21:

15For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.


1 cor 16:

9For a great door and effectual is opened unto me, and there are many adversaries.

phil 1:

28And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

1 tim 5:

14I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

Its to be contrary to sound doctrine 1 tim 1:

10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

So those who are against the sound doctrines of Christ and His Salvation, regarding His Person and Work and how He alone effects salvation for Gods Elect, they are considered antichrist..

They are adversaries of the Truth...They are in the Temple of God , in that they are in the Churches Today and in name they call themselves believers which if True would be the Temple of God 1 cor 3:17

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

And notice the warning in this verse to those who defile the Temple of God.

BTW that word defile is the greek word phtheiro:

to corrupt, to destroy

a) in the opinion of the Jews, the temple was corrupted or "destroyed" when anyone defiled or in the slightest degree damaged anything in it, or if its guardians neglected their duties

b) to lead away a Christian church from that state of knowledge and holiness in which it ought to abide

c) to be destroyed, to perish

d) in an ethical sense, to corrupt, deprave

And the Church should abide in the Doctrine of Christ and the accomplishment of His finished work made known in the Gospel.

Its the same word used for corrupted here 2 cor 11:


3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Paul is speaking of the Gospel here vs

4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

So, The antichrist are all those who in the church who have corrupted the Truth of Jesus and are even now opposing that Blessed Truth in the name of Christianity..

 

[Sam21]

Question? Would the antichrists include those who claim that there is not going to come an individual(commonly called antichrist) at the end of the age? Remember, Paul received his revelation from Jesus Christ and Paul was emphatic that before the return of Christ that there would arise a MAN who would claim to be god and insist that he was to be worshipped. Jesus gave John the Revelations where a man called the beast is to conquer the world and insist that he be worshipped. So it would appear that those who insist that there is not a coming antichrist would actually qualify to be one of the antichrists(those opposed to Christ).

 

[Who Says]

Remember that John's First Epistle speaks of Antichrist, but also of 'many antichrists'.

Very true.

Clearly the power behind the Antichrist is Satan. But just as Jesus has his soldiers in the flesh who are his one body and so often are spoken of as one, so also Satan has his soldiers in the flesh who are his one body.

John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

So from that standpoint we can see that one principal Antichrist, is not as Satan by himself, but as the body of humans Satan uses. However, that is the flesh of Adam Satan uses and that is why there was so much emphasis on clearing the flesh (as in Adam's sinful flesh) out of the first century congregations:

Romans 9:8a "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:..."

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 ¶Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Our emphasis must be upon putting on that holiness of Christ: 2 Corinthians 7:1 ¶Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

And that is specifically what the antichrist attacks in very imaginative (cunning) ways.

To the extent anyone sees a beast in Revelation or that Man of Sin Son of Perdition as only Satan, to that extent they are sidetracked failing to identify the fleshly agent Satan uses.

Satan wants us to think the beast in Revelation is him. Satan knows that it will take Jesus to bruise him in the head and as long as we stay focused on seeing only him, his fleshly agents are free to do his dirty work.

So Satan wants you to identify the beast of Revelation as him. Satan wants you to identify the Man of Sin Son of Perdition as him. Because that way he can keep you occupied and do his evil right under your noses through his body of Adam's flesh.

The only direct reference to Satan in the book of Revelation other than where he is called by name is the dragon. Anything else you identify as him is him hooking you so that you do not see the fleshly human agents involved.

And I know that there will be someone bring up Abadden. But I just got back from the doctors and I have to lay down right now for a while. So we can talk about those other details later if anyone would like to.

 

[reba]

The Biblical definition of antichrist:

THE 4 BIBLE PASSAGES:

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." (1 John 2:18-19)

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also." (1 John 2:22-23)

"Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
(1 John 4:2-3)

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." (2 John 1:7)

 

[Elijah674]

The TRUE ANTICHRIST CULT must have complete authority!! Notice his DOCUMENTED work. "All dogmatic decrees of [the Pope], made with or without his general council, ARE INFALLIBLE ... Once made, no pope or council can reverse them ... This IS THE CATHOLIC PRINCIPLE, that the CHURCH CANNOT ERR IN FAITH." --The Catholic World, pgs. 422-423.

OK: That is the first [TOP] priority. 's'atan has himself in charge of a number one human man! See Gen. 4:7's start & Rev. 3:9's ending. This is & ever was satin's antichrist denomination. (and who took over when Christ left Israel of old? See Matt. 23:38 when they BECAME DESOLATE OF CHRIST)

Number two: A CULT ANTICHRIST must have a 'SECOND' book held in high esteem that is opposite to the Bible! In this time frame, It IS THE 'CATECHISM! It even openly changes the Commandments of God! [ANTICHRIST!] See 1 Jn. 2:4 & Isa. 8:20.

Number three: Surely it MUST HAVE A LARGE BROADWAY WORLDWIDE CULT MEMBERSHIP! See Matt. 7 & Rev. 17:5!! To have DAUGHTERS this denomination was here FIRST, huh? Again, the TRUE LEADER of even the Pope, was seen working before the flood in Cain! (Gen. 4:7) Notice whose his 'DESIRE' now was!
A denomination has always been found by satan to 'FORM-or have them become a FOLD' that would do this [FIRST CULT LEADER'S WORK]. See Rev. 2:5. (well, who would now take over!?)

Cain killed his brother. Cain was still a professor of worship! He brought an ANTICHRIST SACRIFICE! As does Rome in having Sun. for God's eternal Sabbath Day Covenant! (see Heb. 13:20) Rome, also is and was a MURDERER (from the beginning) as is DOCUMENTED in Fox Book of Martyr's. It states that is MIGHT EVEN BE A LOW ESTIMATE, OF UPWARD TO AN HUNDRED MILLION KILLED BY ROME, OF CHRISTIAN MARTYRS!!

Take note: This is satan's church! Look around you today! These LEADERS ARE [OPEN PARTAKERS] of ALL OF THIS EVIL! See Rev. 18:4! And in a quote that I posted some time back about Pope John Paul 11 suggesting that voodoo believers would not betray their traditional faith by 'converting to Christianity'. ('From the Los Angeles Times' 2/5/93)

CHRISTIANS?? Hardly can a person be [HONEST] calling an CULT ANTICHRIST denomination [CHRISTIAN!] And the Lord's CALL is for His [IGNORANT BABES IN CHRIST THAT HE HAS THERE, TO LEAVE]. Again SEE John 5:16!!

And NOW: We see satan still doing his evil work in suggesting that there is another antichrist?? Wow! what is new, God say's NOTHING!! See Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15. Yet, these ones ARE THE CULT LEADERS 'little' daughter's that are DOING the work of mommy. What is next?? Soon ex/Protestants will do the dirty work of having Caesar do what they can not do OPENLY. Kill their brothers!

Yet: ALL are missing the truth here! The Laodicea's last church denomination has gone the way of Israel of old before Christ comes the second time!! See Rev. 12:17!! They TOO have called the Great Whore & her Daughter Christian denominations! And they, as were Israel of old, to be JUDGED FIRST! See 1 Peter 4:17. ALL other's testing will be that of 666 & that is also just around the corner! But this is the Last work of satan who is the real one behind all anti/crists!

--Elijah

 

[reba]

elijah, I have never met a Catholic who doesn't believe Jesus is the Christ.

 

[jasoncran]

I agree Sam.. it will all come to a Head in the 'man of sin', the one the Revelation calls the Beast.. and the NT speaks of Christ's return in 2 Thess 2 to destroy this man, which I think aligns perfectly with Rev 19, where His coming there is seen to take the beast alive and cast him into the lake of fire.

Rev 13 describes the Beast as 'a man' multiple times.

satan imataties God in all things. we have divination that is the same type of gift as prophecy.

why not have an unholy trinity?

 

[Elijah674]

elijah, I have never met a Catholic who doesn't believe Jesus is the Christ.

Hi there! Nothing personal meant against an individual other than the top/seated position & structure of what ex/protestants had believed from their first day one. There are many even of they, who believe that Christ was Jesus. Yet, James 2 finds faith with out OBEDIENT WORKS is dead.being alone. And that is talking only as the church profession as posted!;) Yet, still true 'individually' as only God knows the heart. Eccl. 12:13-14.

Here is what John has given penned for Christ's 'DOCUMENTATION' in John 12

[42] Nevertheless among the chief rulers also [many believed on] him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
[43] For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

Can it be said that they were AGAINST CHRIST?? (or were anti/christ) And were they Christian's??? And believe & not Obey Him?? 1 John 2:4.

 

[reba]

God gave us a very clear definition of antichrist. It real clear

He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,

ho confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." (2 John 1:7)


Nothing personal believed

 

[Elijah674]

God gave us a very clear definition of antichrist. It real clear

He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,

ho confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." (2 John 1:7)


Nothing personal believed

Hi again: First off, about your other post?;) Did you ever read where I had ever said that I could read anyone mind or heat that they 'did, or did not believe that Jesus was Christ'??? Yet, that does work both ways for your post as well as me & mine saying that. Who know what belief is inside anyones heart? Or who does, or does not believes in Jesus??? And the point was that the [theology of rome] IS ANTICHRIST. (against Christ, even satan BELIEVES & Trembles we are told)

Now about your above Truth of Denying Christ & the Father, (+ flesh) surely that can & is done as John continues on in 2 John 1:9 'Whosoever transgresseth and [abideth NOT IN THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST], hath not God. ..'

And John penned many Books of the Word of God! Math.-Mark-Luke & John with 1,2,3 John + the Revelation. And to shorten this up?? Read 1 John 2:4 for the Word of LIAR? And rome had changed the 7th Day Sabbath day of God to sun. worship. (as was in the original post & they admit this) plus God's Eternal 10 Commandments.. as also was posted by me as in their catechism.

--Elijah

 

[jasoncran]

Hi again: First off, about your other post?;) Did you ever read where I had ever said that I could read anyone mind or heat that they 'did, or did not believe that Jesus was Christ'??? Yet, that does work both ways for your post as well as me & mine saying that. Who know what belief is inside anyones heart? Or who does, or does not believes in Jesus??? And the point was that the [theology of rome] IS ANTICHRIST. (against Christ, even satan BELIEVES & Trembles we are told)

Now about your above Truth of Denying Christ & the Father, (+ flesh) surely that can & is done as John continues on in 2 John 1:9 'Whosoever transgresseth and [abideth NOT IN THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST], hath not God. ..'

And John penned many Books of the Word of God! Math.-Mark-Luke & John with 1,2,3 John + the Revelation. And to shorten this up?? Read 1 John 2:4 for the Word of LIAR? And rome had changed the 7th Day Sabbath day of God to sun. worship. (as was in the original post & they admit this) plus God's Eternal 10 Commandments.. as also was posted by me as in their catechism.

--Elijah

so then other protestants that hold church on sunday are satanic? careful , i heard that the church in the 1st century did that too. the first day of the week to paul wasnt saturday but sunday.

besides the sda is in err. saturday at sundown is when the shabat (sabaath) ends.
but what do the jews know about there own tradition.

 

[reba]

Hi again: First off, about your other post?;) Did you ever read where I had ever said that I could read anyone mind or heat that they 'did, or did not believe that Jesus was Christ'??? Yet, that does work both ways for your post as well as me & mine saying that. Who know what belief is inside anyones heart? Or who does, or does not believes in Jesus??? And the point was that the [theology of rome] IS ANTICHRIST. (against Christ, even satan BELIEVES & Trembles we are told)

Now about your above Truth of Denying Christ & the Father, (+ flesh) surely that can & is done as John continues on in 2 John 1:9 'Whosoever transgresseth and [abideth NOT IN THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST], hath not God. ..'

And John penned many Books of the Word of God! Math.-Mark-Luke & John with 1,2,3 John + the Revelation. And to shorten this up?? Read 1 John 2:4 for the Word of LIAR? And rome had changed the 7th Day Sabbath day of God to sun. worship. (as was in the original post & they admit this) plus God's Eternal 10 Commandments.. as also was posted by me as in their catechism.

--Elijah

I have read some of this your posts make some of us nuts

How does your thinking matchup to the the biblical definition of antichrist?

 

[Elijah674]

I have read some of this your posts make some of us nuts

How does your thinking matchup to the the biblical definition of antichrist?

I see anyone can be anti/christ! Against Christ, knowingly or in ignorance. Also that the Bible has emphasis on satan agenda all through the Bible, with Paul telling us that the antichrist doth already work in his day. And again it was (Ceasar) rome who had to give authoity to the church to execute Christ.

And then it will finish up with 666 & with satan's one man as the final full/fledged antichrist, and will with lying wonders be very deceitful. Matt. 24:21 0n. 2 Thess. 2:4-12 gives the good false picture of this.

--Elijah

 

[reba]

How does your thinking matchup to the the biblical definition of antichrist?

 

[Hitch]

Im fairly certain its Vic.

 

[reba]

nope he is the born again smiley

 

[Who Says]

God gave us a very clear definition of antichrist. It real clear

He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,

ho confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." (2 John 1:7)


Nothing personal believed

I agree with what you say accept that it is always "real clear". Especially in that the antichrist is called a deceiver. So by his very nature it most usually will not be clear who he is unless we train ourselves to see him by listening to the word ourselves..

Jude talks about such ones: Jude 1:3 ¶Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Now remember how I keep emphasizing this one's prime target is the holiness of the body of Christ and that is what he is out to destroy:

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Remember how I use this scripture? Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Is that not what Juse also said?

Jude continues: Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

And here concerning the important thing Jude concludes: Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

If we do not see that the holiness that we build through imitating God's love is what that deceiver is after to destroy we risk allowing him to fill us with ideas that we feud about and devour each other with. Satn rejoices to see such corruption of the holiness of Christ's body.

Galatians 5:13 ¶For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.


This theme is so obvious throughout the NT it is shocking that we see so many ignoring it just to permit themselves to show that they have knowledge:

1 Corinthians 8:1 ... we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but love builds up.

Many of us have made salvation about having certain knowledge. That is a lie. Adam before he sin needed only one thing and that was to love God and his wife and all that God had given him. If Adam had have remained in that love God would have taught Adam all that he needed to know over time and without adding any pain to it.

Proverbs 10:22 ¶The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it.

The locust plague of Joel has set everyone to bickering about knowledge with the result that it destroys our spiritual estate. But God allowed that so as to refine us and wake us up to the necessity of love to our holiness. And now we must wake up.

We must see that knowledge is not the important thing. Yes we need it but we ought to not ever want it to violate love. That is the underlaying theme in all of Paul's writings.

I am going to tell you a shocker. One group can have a near completed knowledge with a lack of love. Another can yet be as an infant in knowledge but strong in love. The group with a near complete knowledge but lack of love will be told no by God as to salvation whereas the one of little knowledge but much love he will not despise.

We must wake up and see what we are doing and stop letting the man of sin (that antichrist among us) keep doing this to us.

Each of us must care more to be a part of Christ's true body and about the holiness necessary for us to so be a part of Christ's holy body than we care about the fleshly group affilliation we are attached to. If our fleshly group affilliation publishes tenants that work against Christ's holiness and we can not stop them then we must separate ourselves from them.

That is the call to get out of Babylon the Great in Revelation. We must decide for ourselves what is more important and be prepared to suffer the consequences of our ignoring this if we don't.

 

[Hitch]

Denying the Lord is most often accomplished through redefining who and what he is according to NT revelation.

 

[Who Says]

Denying the Lord is most often accomplished through redefining who and what he is according to NT revelation.

That is correct.

Let's look at an example:

Jesus asked Peter, "Who do you say I am?"

Matthew 16:16 "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Jesus did not then beat Peter with words telling him that he had to know he was God. But instead Jesus said: "Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."

What would the antichrist do that misrepreents who Jesus is? He would portray Jesus to be insistant that Peter say, "Thou art God." And thus he would be misrepreenting Jesus' holy nature in that Jesus' holy nature does not so insist on such things to the point of argument.

The antichrist makes it seem as though Jesus says, "I will crush you here and now if you do not believe I am God." Or the antichrist slyly tries to make it look like Peter actually said Jesus was God. He will do anything to get his way about what he believes and so represents a Christ that would also do that.

But Jesus' holiness of love looks for even a little faith upon which he may lovingly build with patience over time. John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

That has not changed since the Holy Spirit has arrived. Since the Holy Spirit has arrived we merely have less excuse for not acting as Christ acted.

 

[Hitch]

That is correct.

Let's look at an example:

Jesus asked Peter, "Who do you say I am?"

Matthew 16:16 "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Jesus did not then beat Peter with words telling him that he had to know he was God. But instead Jesus said: "Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."

What would the antichrist do that misrepreents who Jesus is? He would portray Jesus to be insistant that Peter say, "Thou art God." And thus he would be misrepreenting Jesus' holy nature in that Jesus holy nature does not so insist on such things to the point of argument.

Your speculations are silly

The antichrist makes it seem as though Jesus says, "I will crush you here and now if you do not believe I am God." Or the antichrist slyly tries to make it look like Peter actually said Jesus was God. He will do anything to get his way about what he believes and so represents a Christ that would also do that.

see above

But Jesus holiness of love looks for even a little faith upon which he may lovingly build upon with patience over time. John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

That has not changed since the Holy Spirit has arrived.

This is one of the most ridiculous posts I ve read here.