Who is the antichrist?

[Who Says]

2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.


Well Who does your doctrine of Christ conform to John's or not?

Do you have enough love to render a simple straight forward answer? This is basically the same question I asked twice last evening and I didint see a direct response from you , except

If I did not believe my doctrine conforms to John's I would not believe it.

My love for you gives you at the very least that much credit.

 

[Hitch]

If I did not believe my doctrine conforms to John's I would not believe it.

My love for you gives you at the very least that much credit.

Originally Posted by Hitch
Nothing subtle in teaching that Jesus is anything but God incarnate. Though often subtleties are employed.

Is Christ God incarnate? Yea or nay?

 

[Who Says]

Is Christ God incarnate? Yea or nay?

I believe that information personal between myself and God and none of your concern especially if you demand to know only so that you may judge me by your dimly seen views in the same looking glass I dimly see in.

1 Corinthians 13:12-13 "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, godly love, these three; but the greatest of these is godly love."

So then, if i share that information with you knowing you are desiring to judge me by it I am concerned that I may be participating in helping you to violate God's love.

You see, there are many ways to approach this which all come back to loving instead of judging others.

 

[Hitch]

I believe that information personal between myself and God and none of your concern especially if you demand to know only so that you may judge me by your dimly seen views in the same looking glass I dimly see in.

1 Corinthians 13:12-13 "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, godly love, these three; but the greatest of these is godly love."

So then, if i share that information with you knowing you are desiring to judge me by it I am concerned that I may be participating in helping you to violate God's love.

You see, there are many ways to approach this which all come back to loving instead of judging others.

Thats about what I expected ,too bad.

Your going on about ' christian love' is no more that a subtle means to cloud the issue , and an attempt to make palatable a grossly inconsistant position wrt the 'doctrine of Christ'. You have used a wonderful passage of scripture as nothing more than bait. It is hard for me to imagine anything less 'loving' that such an abuse of scripture, designed to lower the true status of Jesus Christ.

 

[Sam21]

Hi Who: Just a question, I have read a good number of your posts, is there a reason why you are so evasive? Jesus, Peter,John,Paul, the one thing they had in common was that they were very straight forward and clear in what they believed.

 

[xounstaer]

"666" THE 4 BIBLE PASSAGES:



Take this test to see if someone is an "antichrist":


1. Do they actively teach or simply believe that Jesus Christ never walked the earth, but was a mythological figure?
2. Do they actively teach or simply believe there was a man named Jesus Christ, but he did not actually raise from the dead?
3. Do they actively speak out against or simply believe Christianity is a false religion?
4. Jesus said, "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (Matthew 12:30). Are they an atheist or agnostic who is indifferent and non-religious? Then they too are an "antichrist"! The Bible term "antichrist" could be simply understood to be equivalent to being a "non-believer."

first i was wondering if the topic titel is meant to finaly provide a name or so, directly?

1 no, but later on.. it will' become like a myth.
2 in what way did he raise then?? and after showing himself to themwho recognised him ,peter didnt even....so jghqeruihgioqep
3 no it a harsh religion, when i go toheavenand i will. i will debate about taking a scapegote like so many religions did or do
4 i believe ur question '4' badly...

 

[sdktlk]

Jesus said, "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (Mat 12:30) And, "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." (Mat 12:25)

The body of Christ is divided against itself into tens of thousands of pieces, having a myriad of different "names." As we see the Lord Jesus has said that house shall not stand and shall be brought to desolation. Anything such as this IS the spirit of anti-christ for this manifestation of the church certainly isn't gathering, it is continually scattering, scattering abroad.

 

[Who Says]

Hi Who: Just a question, I have read a good number of your posts, is there a reason why you are so evasive? Jesus, Peter,John,Paul, the one thing they had in common was that they were very straight forward and clear in what they believed.

That is your opinion which you have the right to express by comparison to me who has no right to say you cannot.

Use words that are actually in the Bible and I will be more than willing to discuss them. Do I know Christ is not carnal? Certainly I do. That only means that he is without sin and its consequence of desth affecting him.

Christ is 100% the opposite of carnal which is what we ourselves will be after his image.

But you go beyond that in your "Incarnate Doctrine". And I do not care to discuss that with you. If you want to see that as evasive, oh well. I can do nothing about that. So I will do what I can do, and that is continue to love you.

Which way do you think Christ would be more pleased with; for me to get into heated debate with you or for me to just let you say whatever dogmatic things about me you wish to and just continue to love you?

1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

 

[Who Says]

Jesus said, "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (Mat 12:30) And, "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." (Mat 12:25)

The body of Christ is divided against itself into tens of thousands of pieces, having a myriad of different "names." As we see the Lord Jesus has said that house shall not stand and shall be brought to desolation. Anything such as this IS the spirit of anti-christ for this manifestation of the church certainly isn't gathering, it is continually scattering, scattering abroad.

Amen.

 

[Sam21]

That is your opinion which you have the right to express by comparison to me who has no right to say you cannot.

Use words that are actually in the Bible and I will be more than willing to discuss them. Do I know Christ is not carnal? Certainly I do. That only means that he is without sin and its consequence of desth affecting him.

Christ is 100% the opposite of carnal which is what we ourselves will be after his image.

But you go beyond that in your "Incarnate Doctrine". And I do not care to discuss that with you. If you want to see that as evasive, oh well. I can do nothing about that. So I will do what I can do, and that is continue to love you.

Which way do you think Christ would be more pleased with; for me to get into heated debate with you or for me to just let you say whatever dogmatic things about me you wish to and just continue to love you?

1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

I know what Christ would want you to do, love the truth more than you love your own ideas and speak and write that truth.

 

[Who Says]

I know what Christ would want you to do, love the truth more than you love your own ideas and speak and write that truth.

I believe I do that Sam.

Thank you for pointing out that very important need though as it never hurts for us to be reminded.

 

[sdktlk]

I believe I do that Sam.

Thank you for pointing out that very important need though as it never hurts for us to be reminded.

If we want the Truth with respect as to where we are in prophetic time, and just who is the anti-christ I would encourage all to see Revelation Unveiled. You have to read all the posts from the first to the last in order to SEE what is revealed at Revelation Unveiled.

 

[savedbygrace57]

The next word that characterizes the AntiChrist is exalteth !

2 thess 2:

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The greek word for exalteth is

hyperairō:

to lift or raise up over some thing

2) to lift one's self up, be exalted, be haughty

3) to carry one's self haughtily to, behave insolently towards one

This has to do with his doctrines which he places above the True doctrines of God in Christ, and his oppostition to them manifest his haughtiness against them.

The word also in the greek is in the passive voice meaning the subject [ the man of sin] is the recipient of the action, so he is being caused to exalt himself..

Those whom the devil controls are caused to be prideful, lifeted up with pride as per 1 tim 3:6

Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

So it appears that man of sin, are those false teachers who teach contrary to the Truth and are lifeted up [exalted] in pride by the devil..

 

[Who Says]

Re: The next word that characterizes the AntiChrist is exalteth !

2 thess 2:

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The greek word for exalteth is

hyperairō:

to lift or raise up over some thing

2) to lift one's self up, be exalted, be haughty

3) to carry one's self haughtily to, behave insolently towards one

This has to do with his doctrines which he places above the True doctrines of God in Christ, and his oppostition to them manifest his haughtiness against them.

The word also in the greek is in the passive voice meaning the subject [ the man of sin] is the recipient of the action, so he is being caused to exalt himself..

Those whom the devil controls are caused to be prideful, lifeted up with pride as per 1 tim 3:6

Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

So it appears that man of sin, are those false teachers who teach contrary to the Truth and are lifeted up [exalted] in pride by the devil..

Three times Amen.

Very good post :yes

The problem is that they most usually do not know they are doing that. It is the blind leading the blind.

 

[Who Says]

If we want the Truth with respect as to where we are in prophetic time, and just who is the anti-christ I would encourage all to see Revelation Unveiled. You have to read all the posts from the first to the last in order to SEE what is revealed at Revelation Unveiled.

Thank you.

I will take a look at that thread.

OK, I went and read it. And I agree with the spirit of what the author says, in fact have experienced it very similarly.

It supports why I have perfect peace in Christ. Because I see Christ's body as the "house of God" and came to understand that we have rest in him that when we receive our new bodies we will know how to keep them as a house for God's spirit also. As that is what we are to be like in our own image of God just as Christ images God. And in Christ we are being conformed to his image that we too in our new bodies will be that continued reflection imaging God.

But those who wish to bicker that I cannot do it that way and that my way is not right are to me just showing they do not have the true peace of Christ in them. For it is the peace that Christ gives me and the way he makes my spirit rest from turmoil that proves I am doing it right and as I need to do it. For I never feel hate or confusion or anger or distress at anyone these days because of the way I believe in Christ.

That seems to anger some who insist I must see things exactly their way and who therefore in their imaginations think I am expressing emotion to them when I try to lovingly assist them away from their own unrest; their unrest which causes them to feel they need to be so controlling of others.

As I keep saying, 'I don't care whether one believes Jesus is literally God or just the Son of God who we get in touch with God through." I do not believe that is what is important because the peace I have achieved in me proves otherwise to me. It is the peace and love and holiness of conduct of Christ that we must see is his Father exhibited in him whether we see it as literally him being God or just perfectly the image and shadow of God.

But those who have no real peace but only imagine they have Christ's peace try to paint me otherwise. And they may fool others about me. But they cannot fool me. They have no power over me in Christ and they know that. The real reason they oppose me is to try to be sure that on-lookers believe as they do rather than as I do. That is as plain as the nose on one's face.

So I just try to continue to show them love so that perhaps one day they will wake up and see the error in their ways.

 

[sdktlk]

Thank you.

I will take a look at that thread.

OK, I went and read it. And I agree with the spirit of what the author says, in fact have experienced it very similarly.

It supports why I have perfect peace in Christ. Because I see Christ's body as the "house of God" and came to understand that we have rest in him that when we receive our new bodies we will know how to keep them as a house for God's spirit also. As that is what we are to be like in our own image of God just as Christ images God. And in Christ we are being conformed to his image that we too in our new bodies will be that continued reflection imaging God.

But those who wish to bicker that I cannot do it that way and that my way is not right are to me just showing they do not have the true peace of Christ in them. For it is the peace that Christ gives me and the way he makes my spirit rest from turmoil that proves I am doing it right and as I need to do it. For I never feel hate or confusion or anger or distress at anyone these days because of the way I believe in Christ.

That seems to anger some who insist I must see things exactly their way and who therefore in their imaginations think I am expressing emotion to them when I try to lovingly assist them away from their own unrest; their unrest which causes them to feel they need to be so controlling of others.

As I keep saying, 'I don't care whether one believes Jesus is literally God or just the Son of God who we get in touch with God through." I do not believe that is what is important because the peace I have achieved in me proves otherwise to me. It is the peace and love and holiness of conduct of Christ that we must see is his Father exhibited in him whether we see it as literally him being God or just perfectly the image and shadow of God.

But those who have no real peace but only imagine they have Christ's peace try to paint me otherwise. And they may fool others about me. But they cannot fool me. They have no power over me in Christ and they know that. The real reason they oppose me is to try to be sure that on-lookers believe as they do rather than as I do. That is as plain as the nose on one's face.

So I just try to continue to show them love so that perhaps one day they will wake up and see the error in their ways.

As long as we SEE JESUS, and understand that He is, "the Way, the Truth and the Life" and come to Him in fear and trembling expecting that He will lead and guide us into all Truth I, myself, would never have a problem with that. Peace in Christ Jesus.

 

[reba]

where do the Scriptures say there is 'the antichrist'?

 

[Sinthesis]

Thank you.

I will take a look at that thread.

OK, I went and read it. And I agree with the spirit of what the author says, in fact have experienced it very similarly.

It supports why I have perfect peace in Christ. Because I see Christ's body as the "house of God" and came to understand that we have rest in him that when we receive our new bodies we will know how to keep them as a house for God's spirit also. As that is what we are to be like in our own image of God just as Christ images God. And in Christ we are being conformed to his image that we too in our new bodies will be that continued reflection imaging God.

But those who wish to bicker that I cannot do it that way and that my way is not right are to me just showing they do not have the true peace of Christ in them. For it is the peace that Christ gives me and the way he makes my spirit rest from turmoil that proves I am doing it right and as I need to do it. For I never feel hate or confusion or anger or distress at anyone these days because of the way I believe in Christ.

That seems to anger some who insist I must see things exactly their way and who therefore in their imaginations think I am expressing emotion to them when I try to lovingly assist them away from their own unrest; their unrest which causes them to feel they need to be so controlling of others.

As I keep saying, 'I don't care whether one believes Jesus is literally God or just the Son of God who we get in touch with God through." I do not believe that is what is important because the peace I have achieved in me proves otherwise to me. It is the peace and love and holiness of conduct of Christ that we must see is his Father exhibited in him whether we see it as literally him being God or just perfectly the image and shadow of God.

But those who have no real peace but only imagine they have Christ's peace try to paint me otherwise. And they may fool others about me. But they cannot fool me. They have no power over me in Christ and they know that. The real reason they oppose me is to try to be sure that on-lookers believe as they do rather than as I do. That is as plain as the nose on one's face.

So I just try to continue to show them love so that perhaps one day they will wake up and see the error in their ways.

You seem to have devolved your understanding of Christianity into some type of Buddhism.:nod

It seems that you would not have to demonize the critics of your beliefs if you were truly confident in your theology.

 

[Who Says]

As long as we SEE JESUS, and understand that He is, "the Way, the Truth and the Life" and come to Him in fear and trembling expecting that He will lead and guide us into all Truth I, myself, would never have a problem with that. Peace in Christ Jesus.

Amen

 

[Who Says]

You seem to have devolved your understanding of Christianity into some type of Buddhism.:nod

It seems that you would not have to demonize the critics of your beliefs if you were truly confident in your theology.

Well then.

Aren't you glad you are not me?