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Who is the antichrist?

Of course he does. Thats why he idetified antichrist.

So we would know a liar when one comes around.

I'll give ya this though ; I hate anyone or anything that tells folks Jesus Christ is anything less than God incarnate.

Its damnable heresy and recorded explictly and has been repeated many time on this thread.

Did he give us that info to ridicule others with? Or did he lovingly give us that info to use to protect ourselves from being deceived?

Each one of us will be held accountable for how we use our knowledge as to whether we use it to violate the holiness of Christ's love.
 
R.C.H. Lenski; On the Doctrine of Christ

...'doctrine' is correct [vs 'teaching']. "Of Christ is the subjective genitive: the doctrine of Christ taught and still teaches through his apostles, John 1:18. This word does not occur in First John, but its equivalents, "The light, the truth, the Word," are found. "The doctrine," like "the Word," means that the truth is put into words which we hear (verse 6), and so the truth comes to be taught, realized and apprehended (ginoskein, verse 1), which means "believed," trusted....

No matter in what direction one goes forward and does not remain in the doctrine of Christ, "he has not God" although he may shout ever so loudly, "I know him!" (I John 2:4). This is the great delusion. I John 2:23. God, the real God (I John 5:20, is found only in Christ (John 14:9; 11; 20:30), hence only in the doctrine of Christ (John 1:18). John does not need to add "and has not Christ" because he who forsakes Christ's doctrine certainly also forsakes Christ.

The one remaining in the doctrine, this one, this one alone, "has both the Father and the Son." By having the one he has the other; a separation of the two is impossible. To have them is to have salvation. Not for nought does John say "has not God" and now "has both the Father and the Son." These Gnostics imagined that they had "God," but in their estimation he was not "the Father" of "the Son"; to true believers in Christ and in his doctrine God is "the Father" of "his Son Jesus Christ" (I John 1:3).​
In short, the "doctrine of Christ" is both the reality of Christ's personal identity; the incarnate second person of the Trinity, and that body of truth which He taught; the Word of God. Deny Christ's deity and you deny the biblical God.
 
LOL I like this . Deny who Christ is then spout off about love,,, keep it you have a nice big fire when the time comes :screwloose

Be in peace in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. :waving

Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
 
Be in peace in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. :waving

Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Hi Who: I am doing a study on the false anointing in the church today. The false anointing is when a spirit not of God is able to deceive a person into believing that they are being led by the Holy Spirit. These false spirits can produce a sense of love and peace and confidence, they can even knock people down and make them feel very good. The one point that exposes them is that at some point the spirit will change part of the fundamental doctrine of the gospel so as to led the deceived away from God while making the deceived think they are in the will of God. Sir, you are one of those deceived by another spirit, only by resisting it can you be free.
 
Hi Who: I am doing a study on the false anointing in the church today. The false anointing is when a spirit not of God is able to deceive a person into believing that they are being led by the Holy Spirit. These false spirits can produce a sense of love and peace and confidence, they can even knock people down and make them feel very good. The one point that exposes them is that at some point the spirit will change part of the fundamental doctrine of the gospel so as to led the deceived away from God while making the deceived think they are in the will of God. Sir, you are one of those deceived by another spirit, only by resisting it can you be free.

I recognize the truth in what you say but I assure you that is not the case here for I have had beyond the common Christian experience and have set in the presence with Christ in an undeniable way that most do not ever get to do. This is only that most Christians do not give themselves the chance to experience it and resist listening so as to learn how to. Therefore my anointing is for those who rule with Christ. But theirs will be as subjects. I am not nearly alone in having that annointing. So let not anyone think I am saying such.

You do not realize it and I know that but there is nothing you can say that I cannot see the clear Biblical answers to because of my special annointing. I do not rely on feeling at all. I have been given God's gift of knowledge of his word and have no need to rely on feelings.

So what you speak of is apples and oranges compared to how God works with me but you have no way of knowing that.

My not being shaken by anything you say is in no way due to my trusting in a feeling. It is that I see the clear Biblical answers as God has given me and even supplies continually through his spirit. It is a totally different thing you cannot know if you have never experienced it. It is impossible for you to shake me, not because of any of my own power, but because God is continually there with me speaking the answers to all things to me in such a clear way as he even tells me what scriptures to turn to, a thing of which most of the time I do not even know where to look but that he does tell me. God does this knowing I completely listen and accept what he tells me.
 
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I recognize the truth in what you say but I assure you that is not the case here for I have had beyond the common Christian experience and have set in the presence with Christ in an undeniable way that most do not ever get to do.

You do not realize it and I know that but there is nothing you can say that I cannot see the clear Biblical answers to because of my special annointing. I do not rely on feeling at all. I have been given God's gift of knowledge of his word and have no need to rely on feelings.

So what you speak of is apples and oranges compared to how God works with me but you have no way of knowing that.

My not being shaken by anything you say is in no way due to my trusting in a feeling. It is that I see the clear Biblical answers as God has given me and even supplies continually through his spirit. It is a totally different thing you cannot know if you have never experienced it. It is impossible for you to shake me, not because of any of my own power, but because God is continually there with me speaking the answers to all things to me in such a clear way as he even tells me what scriptures to turn to, a thing of which most of the time I do not even know where to look but that he does tell me. God does this knowing I completely listen and accept what he tells me.
Oy vey.
 

So then you may wonder, "If that is how he does it with me how can my experience benefit you?'

It can because he will do that for you too if you free yourself of relying on your feelings. If you become completely willing to give up any belief in freedom of self-will then he does begin to do the driving for you.

It is not like that Greyhound commercial which says "Leave the driving to us" so that all you have to do is lay back in your cozy bus seat. You will have plenty to do as the spirit moves you to do.

It is when you rely on your own feelings that you are asking him to drive for you but want him to do it all for you and that he does not do.

Submit to him, truly submit to him and allow him to drive for you in such a way as he can move you. Then he will allow you to taste what he does for me and for all of his completely loyal ones in spirit.
 
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So then you may wonder, "If that is how he does it with me how can my experience benefit you?'
LOL Actually you make a window on the delusional traits of those who deny Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
It can because he will do that for you too if you free yourself of relying on your feelings. If you become completely willing to give up a freedom of sel-will then he does begin to do the driving for you.
You are going to need a big shovel.
It is not they Greyhound commercial that says "Leave the driving to us" so that all you have to do is lay back in your cozy bus seat. You will have plenty to do as the spirit moves you to do.

It is when you rely on your own feelings that you are asking him to drive for him but want him to do it all for you and that he does not do.
Yawn . I understand you distaste for scripture, but that hardly excuses you does it?
Submit to him, truly submit to him and allow him to drive for you in such a way as he can move you. Then he will allow you taste what he does for me and all of completely his loyal ones in spirit.
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
 
LOL Actually you make a window on the delusional traits of those who deny Jesus Christ came in the flesh. You are going to need a big shovel. Yawn . I understand you distaste for scripture, but that hardly excuses you does it? Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Be in peace in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. :waving

Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
 
1- I believe the whole of scripture reveals to me that the Christ is god incarnate, in the flesh. That is a basic and essential tenant of Christiandom and a basic tenant of this site. To deny this is considered heresy and a violation of the site's ToS. The OT says God is Savior. The NT points to Christ as our Savior.

Either we have two distinct saviors or the Father and Jesus are one in the same, as Jesus stated Himself. I'd be really careful because to deny that comes very close to denying Christ in the flesh, which IS the definition of an antichrist.

2- that puts us back on the subject, which is, Who is the antichrist. Continued attempts to derail this topic will cause it to be locked.
 
1- I believe the whole of scripture reveals to me that the Christ is god incarnate, in the flesh. That is a basic and essential tenant of Christiandom and a basic tenant of this site. To deny this is considered heresy and a violation of the site's ToS. The OT says God is Savior. The NT points to Christ as our Savior.

Either we have two distinct saviors or the Father and Jesus are one in the same, as Jesus stated Himself. I'd be really careful because to deny that comes very close to denying Christ in the flesh, which IS the definition of an antichrist.

2- that puts us back on the subject, which is, Who is the antichrist. Continued attempts to derail this topic will cause it to be locked.

And I have told you that is perfectly fine for you to believe.

So from where does the burning come in you and those who would so express hatred toward me because I choose not to believe that?

No wonder the vast majority of psychologists teach that religion tends to make men nothing but control freaks. LOL.

Matthew 7:16 'Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

Does not such an attitude deny Christ in a worse way? One that forces its attention before all to see and thus spreads faster?

So yes, that is the attitude of antichrist.
 
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And I have told you that is perfectly fine for you to believe.

So from where does the burning come in you and those who would so express hatred toward me because I choose not to believe that?

No wonder the vast majority of psychologists teach that religion tends to make men nothing but control freaks. LOL.

Matthew 7:16 'Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

Does not such an attitude deny Christ in a worse way? One that forces its attention before all to see and thus spreads faster?

So yes, that is the attitude of antichrist.

You're been a very respectable member here. I am quite surprised you say that you have sat in the presence of Christ in a way most Christians don't get to and that in these experiences and through your special anointing Christ revealed to you that He is not God.

What was this experience like? Would you explain further?
 
Who says, i dont play semantic games.

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Your words to me are empty.

Good posting insight!

Also, it is the Eternal (Rev. 14:6) DOCTRINE OF CHRIST (2 John 1:9-11) which Cover's a BELIVING WORKING FAITH also. James 2:20 +verse 26 + VERSE 17!

And when any [post] up any work & it denies the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST, it is haveing a satanic FALSE [WORKING] FAITH!

--Elijah
 
You're been a very respectable member here. I am quite surprised you say that you have sat in the presence of Christ in a way most Christians don't get to and that in these experiences and through your special anointing Christ revealed to you that He is not God.

What was this experience like? Would you explain further?

You will only understand it once you experience it.

I told you how we prepare ourselves to experience. And that is love for me to share such with you.

But you will have to listen and put to use what I said, else I can speak a million words and you will yet not understand.

Begin by calming your spirits within you. Do a word search in your Strong's of all the things that "filled", made "full", and whatever word means similarly, the Pharisee's hearts causing them to manifest the spirit they did. Ponder those things so that you learn what to avoid.

If you are unwilling to do that I can be of no help to you.

Job 37:14 ¶Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still (calm your heart), and consider the wondrous works of God.
 
You will only understand it once you experience it.

I told you how we prepare ourselves to experience. And that is love for me to share such with you.

But you will have to listen and put to use what I said, else I can speak a million words and you will yet not understand.

Begin by calming your spirits within you. Do a word search in your Strong's of all the things that "filled", made "full", and whatever word means similarly, the Pharisee's hearts causing them to manifest the spirit they did. Ponder those things so that you learn what to avoid.

If you are unwilling to do that I can be of no help to you.

Job 37:14 ¶Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still (calm your heart), and consider the wondrous works of God.

Brother, how do you know I haven't?

Most of those who have these unique experiences with Christ, come out on the opposite end, proclaiming Christ is God, who came in the flesh, to save mankind from sin because of His great love. This is what I proclaim through the power of the Holy Spirit.

This is where my confusion with your claims come in. I am not trying to knock you, or disregard what you say you've been through. I am simply trying to understand what you believe.

You claim that Christ is not God incarnate, and that He told you this? Why did He proclaim this statement?

Also, what is your stance on spirits? Was that simply a typo? Or do you believe we have multiple spirits within us?
 
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Brother, how do you know I haven't?

Most of those who have these unique experiences with Christ, come out on the opposite end, proclaiming Christ is God, who came in the flesh, to save me from my sin because of His great love for me.

Also, what is your stance on spirits? Was that simply a typo? Or do you believe we have multiple spirits within us?

If you have then God bless the righteous fruits you now bear.

There is no accusation in what I have said unless the truth of it convicts you.

It is not a statement of judgment but of simple truth. How you take it I cannot control. Your spirit is in charge of that.
 
The "Battle of Armageddon", the number "666" and the "Antichrist" send a chill up the spine by the very mention of the words. For many, these words conjure up a dramatic image of some end of the world holocaust. With images that include fire, mass destruction, and the Devil himself taking political control of the world through the United Nations etc. etc. Speculations about who the "antichrist" is have included about every US president and any "evil" world leader. I remember a speculation that the "antichrist" would be a demon possessed super-human that was a genetically engineered clone. Recent favorites include Sadam Hussin of the Gulf war. I personally know of several individuals who believed the Gulf war was the beginning of the end of the world. In fact, many were absolutely terrified by the Gulf war, fearing what the outcome would be. TV evangelists love to talk about the "antichrist", but in the end it is all nothing more than idle speculation designed more to keep a TV audience sending in their donations.

Now don't get me wrong. The word "antichrist" is found in the Bible. But that is were the Bible parts ways with modern speculationists. The rhetoric regarding the "antichrist" is so loud, that the average person has been misled to believe that the book of Revelation talks about nothing else but the "antichrist". In fact, the word "antichrist" is not found even once in the book of Revelation. That in itself should send warning bells off. In fact, the word "antichrist" is only found in 4 passages. All were penned by Apostle John within the books of first and second John.

So exactly what does the Bible have to say about the "antichrist"? Here is an exhaustive study on the word. I, personally, have such a high regard for the Bible, that by reading the scriptures for yourself without my comment is all you need to have a clear understanding of the "antichrist".

THE 4 BIBLE PASSAGES:

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." (1 John 2:18-19)

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also." (1 John 2:22-23)

"Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
(1 John 4:2-3)

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." (2 John 1:7)

From the Bible we can clearly see 3 things. First, the "antichrist" is defined as anyone who doesn't believe Jesus is the divine son of God. Second, "antichrists" appear to actively teach against Christ. Third, there were many "antichrists" in the world when John wrote the book. This directly contradicts the teaching of modern speculationists who say that one antichrist will arise at some still future time.

The Greek word from which our English word "antichrist" is translated is very simple to understand. It is a simple compound word and means "anti" + "Christ" = "antichrist". We use the same compound word every day. We have people who are "anti-smoking" or "anti-gay" or "anti-hunting" or "anti-Semitic" or "anti-abortion". There really is no big mystery as to what the word means. "Anti-Christ" is anyone who opposes Christ.

Take this test to see if someone is an "antichrist":
1. Do they actively teach or simply believe that Jesus Christ never walked the earth, but was a mythological figure?
2. Do they actively teach or simply believe there was a man named Jesus Christ, but he did not actually raise from the dead?
3. Do they actively speak out against or simply believe Christianity is a false religion?
4. Jesus said, "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (Matthew 12:30). Are they an atheist or agnostic who is indifferent and non-religious? Then they too are an "antichrist"! The Bible term "antichrist" could be simply understood to be equivalent to being a "non-believer."

The "antichrist" then, has no horns or red glowing eyes. Neither is the "antichrist" some demon possessed super-intelligent human clone. Rather, the "antichrist" is that sweet elderly lady living next door who openly teaches the neighborhood kids that Jesus just was a myth.

Indeed there are many antichrist - When satan returns to the earth to take the role of the false messiah "antichrist" that is a little different.

Basically anyone who opposes Christ is an antichrist, but the "son of perdition" "satan" will return to the earth pretending to be Christ, and he is THE antichrist.
 
If you have then God bless the righteous fruits you now bear.

There is no accusation in what I have said unless the truth of it convicts you.

It is not a statement of judgment but of simple truth. How you take it I cannot control. Your spirit is in charge of that.

I'm sorry, your posts are too vague for me to properly understand. I understand if you'd rather not speak so openly about it as several members here can be disrespectful.

From being fed by the hand of the Lord, He has shown me that He, Jesus Christ, is God Almighty who came in the flesh. This is the conviction that prompted my repentance, and that compels me to worship in Spirit and in truth.

I'm simply finding your beliefs confusing. You claim you don't believe Christ came as God in the flesh, but you recognize that He is Lord, a title synonymous with God.
 
I'm sorry, your posts are too vague for me to properly understand. I understand if you'd rather not speak so openly about it as several members here can be disrespectful.

From being fed by the hand of the Lord, He has shown me that He, Jesus Christ, is God Almighty who came in the flesh. This is the conviction that prompted my repentance, and that compels me to worship in Spirit and in truth.

I'm simply finding your beliefs confusing. You claim you don't believe Christ came as God in the flesh, but you recognize that He is Lord, a title synonymous with God.

Then be happy and rejoice in our wonderful Lord. Don't allow things you do not understand to let that rejoicing cease in you for even a second.

Amen?
 
Then be happy and rejoice in our wonderful Lord. Don't allow things you do not understand to let that rejoicing cease in you for even a second.

Amen?

:confused

I was simply trying to understand your position, but if you prefer not to talk about it I understand.

God bless! :salute
 
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