Who, or What, are the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11?

[Carry_Your_Name]

Carry_Your_Name

The "private ministry" of Jesus is inferred, and it is a term which is used as it complements the term "public ministry". The private ministry began in 26AD, at the beginning of the 70th week, when Jesus was secretly anointed king of Israel. This was the anointing of God by the hand of man, as Lord. His anointing as Savior came by the descent of the Holy Spirit. In Dan.9:25, 7+62 weeks are given "until Messiah the Prince". The Messiah means the anointed one. The first part of His anointing, as Lord, therefore had to take place at the end of the 7+62 weeks, which is at the beginning of the 70th week.

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Be blessed, be well.

No man, there's no such thing. The only inference is his reputation as a carpenter and the son of a carpenter among his townsfolks. His ministry started with his baptism at age 30 in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar.

Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, while Annas and Caiaphas were high priests, the word of God came to John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. (Lk. 3:1-3)

When all the people were baptized, it came to pass that Jesus also was baptized; and while He prayed, the heaven was opened. And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.” Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age ... (Lk. 3:21-23)

 

[Terraphim]

His ministry started with his baptism at age 30 in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar.

Yes, the Lord's public ministry began when He was about 30, according to Luk.3:1,23. That was Nisan 29AD, which is further substantiated by Joh.2:20, and His public ministry was as the Savior. The Lord's private ministry began three years earlier, in Nisan 26AD, and His private ministry was as Lord. Together, His private and public ministry was for 7 years, which was the 70th week of Daniel. The private ministry is inferred from Dan.9:25, as there were 7 weeks and 62 weeks until Messiah, which weeks began in Nisan 458BC. Therefore, -458BC+483 years=483-458=25AD, that is, to the end of 25AD, that is, the Jewish beginning of 26AD, which begins in the Jewish month of Nisan. That leaves the 70th week, from Nisan 26AD until Nisan 33AD.

(The end date of Nisan 33AD is substantiated by the fact that Passover day is a movable feast day, coupled with the fact that Passover day for 33AD was from Thursday evening until Friday evening, on the day of preparation before the Saturday Sabbath, which entirely accords with scripture, Mat.27:62/ Mar.15:42/ Luk.23:54/ Joh.19:31. Some people are confused by Joh.19:14, which should be clarified.)

Daniel’s 70th week began in Nisan, 26AD, and those seven years were concluded with the crucifixion of Jesus in Nisan, 33AD;

70 weeks, 7+62+1=70, no 62||1 gap, 70x7=490;
Beginning at Ezr.7:9, which was seven years after Nisan 1, 465BC (465BC-7=458BC).
Nisan, 458BC is the Dan.9:25 “going forth” of Ezr.7:26.
Nisan 458BC unto the Jewish end of 32AD (crucifixion in Nisan, 33AD) is (458+32)=(490=70x

The inference from Dan.9:25 that there was a private ministry as Lord is validated by a proper understanding of Luk.4:18, because of the way that He phrased this statement in regards to His anointing. This statement is usually understood to refer to the descent of the Holy Spirit after His baptism in Nisan 26AD, but when it is carefully examined, it is appears that He was saying that He was anointed previous to the descent of the Holy Spirit.

The secret anointing of Jesus as king of Israel in 26AD was indicated by Him as follows, when He spoke of it as being previous to the descent of the Holy Spirit. Jesus quoted Isa.61:1,2a as He said in Luk.4:18, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me [after My baptism, to anoint Me as the Savior (], because He has [previously] anointed Me [as the Lord of Israel)] to preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed;”, Luk.4:19, “to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord”. As in the foregoing verse, the anointing of a king of Israel was always understood to be from God, though it came by the hand of man

While it may not seem absolutely obvious to everyone, there are nevertheless several substantiating elements which corroberate this doctrine. A private ministry as Lord does not mean that Jesus was preaching the gospel of salvation in private. In fact, the trend in scripture is fairly clear that that was not the situation, from Joh.1:30,31.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[Terraphim]

The counting of 50 days unto Pentacost according to the 7 First-Works. (Luk.14:27-33/ Php.3:7-11) 3/28/24

1) Everyone’s Welcome, Joh.10:16 |Free will acceptance is eternally foreknown (not temporily predestined),
to believe in Jesus Christ... Pro.16:1a/ 1Ti.1:15 |and provides qualification for the election of grace, through faith.
By First-Work #1 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost; as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We believe in Jesus as Christ - in His ascension. (Mar.14:61,62/ Joh.17:3)-(Act.1:9/ Eph.4:8)
2) To Come As You Are, Mat.22:9,10
with a confession of faith in Jesus Christ... Pro.16:1b/1Co.12:7,9/ Isa.45:22,23/ Mat.10:32-39/ Rom.10:9/14:11
By First-Work #2 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost; as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We confess Jesus as Christ - in His resurrection. (1Co.15:14,15)-(1Cor.15:17)
3) To Offer The Sacrifice of Praise, Isa.1:5,6/ Rev.22:2/ Jas.5:14/ Jer.33:6,11/ Psa.45:7
for His seal of anointing... Rev.7:3/ 2Ti.2:19// Mat.6:17/ 1Jo.2:20,27
By First-Work #3 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost, as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We are anointed - into His burial. (Mar.14:3-7)-(Mar.14:8,9)
4) To Be Clothed And Further Clothed,
with repentance and His robe of righteousness... Isa.61:10/ Mat.22:12
By First-Work #4 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost; as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We are baptized - into His death. Rom.6:3
5) To Perfect Your Strength In Weakness,
like emptied water pots that are filled with water turned to wine 1Co.12:9/ Heb.11:34/ Joh.2:7
(by the love of Christ be filled with the fullness of God)... Eph.3:19/ Joh.14:19-21/6:35/ Mar.8:21/ Ecc.11:1
By First-Work #5 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost; as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We have communion - into His crucifixion. Joh.6:51-54
6) To Bear Much Fruit When Pruned, Lev.23:40/ Joh.15:2 / 1Co.3:16/ 2Co.5:2,4/ 1Co.15:42,44
unto the gathering of the fruit of righteousness for eternal Life... Jas.3:18/ Joh.4:36
By First-Work #6 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost; as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We are pedluted - into His Life. Joh.13:8,14
(The entry of the Wise Virgins, the Bride of Christ, into the Door of the Wedding, into the 4th Foundation of the New Jerusalem; entry into a dwelling requires the washing of feet, which is like the washing away of fetid behaviors.)
7) And To Be Doers Of The Word, And Not Hearers Only, Jas.1:22/2:13/2:17/ Mat.7:29/ Eph.2:8-10
by the understanding (and circumcision) of the heart, Deu.6:4-6/30:6,14/ Psa.119:11/ Eze.18:31/ Pro.3:5/ 2Co.3:3
for He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 1Jo.4:4/ 1Co.1:18/ 1Th.1:5
By First-Work #7 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost; as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We watch - in His way. Mat.25:13/26:41/ Mar.13:32-37/ Act.5:32/ 1Pe.4:17/Heb.6:7/ Mat.13:43/ Pro.4:18/ Dan.12:3

This totals 7 weeks = the counting of 49 days, as we remember the 7 First-Works which show us the way from Spiritual Death unto Eternal Life, as we count the cost to Jesus Christ, Luk.14:26-35/ Php.3:7-12, the same as above.
By the grace of the Life of Jesus Christ, the sentence of Spiritual Death in the world, the reproach of Egypt, is for us (Heb. Gilgal) rolling away, Jos.5:9, like the stone of His empty tomb!
1) We are believing in Jesus as Christ - in His ascension, Act.1:9;.............................................................Must believe #1
(for the Breaking, of our Spirit Body), Psa.44:19/51:17.
2) We are confessing Jesus as Christ - in His resurrection, Joh.11:25/ 1Co.15:12;...............................Must confess #1
(for the Incarnation, of our mortal Souls). (Double doors, Isa.45:1,8)
3) We are anointed with Jesus - into His burial, Mar.14:3-9;....................................................May do First-Work Rite #1
(for the Anointed Seal, of the Power’s [Anointed] Baptism of the Holy Spirit, for Reunion, Shekinah Shema).
4) We are baptized - into His death, Rom.6:3;...............................................................................Must do First-Work Rite #2
(for the Covering, of the Father’s [Immersive] Baptism of the Holy Fire, for Redemption, Shekinah Yekara).
5) We are in communion - in His crucifixion, Joh.6:51-54;........................................................Must do First-Work Rite #3
(for the Infilling, of the Son’s Manifestation and Voice, for Adoption, Shekinah Memra).
6) We are pedluted - into His Life, Joh.13:8,14;.............................................Must pedlute, should do First-Work Rite #4
(for the Indwelling, of the building up of the beloved double portion of the spirit body in the physical body, by the concurrent spiritual Resurrection, for the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit,Shekinah Ruach).
7) We are to watch - in His way, Mat.25:13/26:41/ Mar.13:32-37;..................................................................Must abide #5+
(for the Master, as servant who are Sons of the Resurrection who are equal to the angels as we spiritually ascend).

Indeed, on the 50th day, “He must increase, but I must decrease”, Joh.3:30, is fully understood, as when it is rolled forwards instead of backwards, our increase was through His decrease, His sacrifice of Himself. It’s not accidental,
for thus Christian Pentacost Whitsunday (49+1) is counted, once the Sunday that’s day #1 is properly determined.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[DavidT]

The "two witnesses" of Revelation 11 are also mentioned as being the "two candlesticks" (Rev.11:4).

What were the "candlesticks" per Revelation 1? The 7 candlesticks John saw represent the 7 Churches.

Revelation 11 is thus pointing to two literal witnesses in Jerusalem that will prophesy against the beast, and the beast (Satan) will ascend from the bottomless pit and kill them, leaving their dead bodies laying unburied in the street for three and one half days.

The symbolic "two candlesticks" represent the only 2 Churches which Jesus had no rebuke for, the Church of Smyrna and the Church of Philadelphia. Those 2 Churches represent Christ's elect that are aware of the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan", the heart of Christ's enemies that crept in among Israel long, long ago. They represent Satan's servants here on earth, the "many antichrists". And because these 2 candlesticks are aware of that, Satan will specifically go after these 2 symbolic Churches also.

Don't you recall brethren, about Jesus' warning for the end about some of us being delivered up to councils and synagogues, in order to give a TESTIMONY for Him with allowing The Holy Spirit to speak through us? (See Mark 13). Don't you remember what Peter quoted from Joel 2 about the cloven tongue manifesting for the end, just prior to the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns?

 

[Terraphim]

The "two witnesses" of Revelation 11 are also mentioned as being the "two candlesticks" (Rev.11:4).

What were the "candlesticks" per Revelation 1? The 7 candlesticks John saw represent the 7 Churches.

Revelation 11 is thus pointing to two literal witnesses in Jerusalem that will prophesy against the beast, and the beast (Satan) will ascend from the bottomless pit and kill them, leaving their dead bodies laying unburied in the street for three and one half days.

The symbolic "two candlesticks" represent the only 2 Churches which Jesus had no rebuke for, the Church of Smyrna and the Church of Philadelphia. Those 2 Churches represent Christ's elect that are aware of the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan", the heart of Christ's enemies that crept in among Israel long, long ago. They represent Satan's servants here on earth, the "many antichrists". And because these 2 candlesticks are aware of that, Satan will specifically go after these 2 symbolic Churches also.

Don't you recall brethren, about Jesus' warning for the end about some of us being delivered up to councils and synagogues, in order to give a TESTIMONY for Him with allowing The Holy Spirit to speak through us? (See Mark 13). Don't you remember what Peter quoted from Joel 2 about the cloven tongue manifesting for the end, just prior to the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns?

Thank you for your interest, and for your interesting perspective. It seems that you are tending towards the literalist interpretation of the Two Witnesses of Rev.11, and of the seven churches of Rev.1-3.

The literalist perspective of the Two Witnesses is not preferred for a couple of reasons. Firstly, there is Rev.11:7, which states that the (first) Beast will make war against the Two Witnesses. War is conducted between two parties of multiple individuals, so both the Beast and the Two Witnesses must be groups of people. Secondly, Rev.11:12 states that the Two Witnesses ascended to heaven. In Joh.3:13, Jesus said that "no one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven". Jesus was speaking of His future physical ascension. As He said, his physical ascension was the exception, as "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God", 1Co.15:50. Consequently, not only are the Two Witnesses two groups of people, but the ascension of Rev.11 is a spiritual ascension. Jesus said to Nathaniel that "you will see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man", Joh.1:51, even as with Jacob's ladder. The spiritual ascension and descension of men occurs likewise, as the sons of the resurrection are equal to the angels, Luk.20:36. The general resurrection completes the regeneration of the spirit body (the second birth), which resurrection is spiritual, 1Co.15:42,44, and concurrent, Eph.2:5,6, as heaven is juxtaposed, not postponed. Yes, an exact understanding of scripture requires a paradigm shift. That is why we must come to the Lord as little children, for children have little in the way of preconceptions, such that they are teachable.

The two lamp stands, or candlesticks, of Rev.11, are from Zec.4, where the two lamp stands are as one, though it is fed by the oil of the two olive trees, which are the two anointed ones who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth. The single lamp stand of Zec.4 has 7 lamps, which are stated to be eyes which scan throughout the whole earth, for the 7 lamps are the 7 spiritual generations of the true Church, which reside in the seven heavens, the septum. In the NT, the Gentiles have begun to come in to the kingdom of heaven, so the one lamp stand of Zec.4 becomes the two lampstands of the Two Witnesses. Further, the seven lamps of Zec.4 become the seven lamp stands of Rev.1, which are the 7 Churches, which are the 7 spiritual generations.

There are false brethren who are of the "synagogue of Satan", or of the church of chips, or of the mosque of malevolence. This is necessarily true in a world of sin, from which God is saving people, to be in the true congregation. This is why Psa.23 says that "You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies". Be that as it may, there are still two blood covenants which are still valid today, the adherents of which compose the Two Witnesses. Abraham is the head of the First Witness, and Melchizedek is the head of the Second Witness, for Abraham circumcised both Isaac and Ishmael, and Melchizedek was the Gentile priest of the God most high, such that Jesus was revealed to be the high priest of the order of Melchizedek, for Jesus preceded Melchizedek, both by His preexistance and by HIs preemminance.

There is much that may be said about Mar.13 and Joe.1, by which we may stir up the Spirit for Testimony, as members of the Two Witnesses, especially concerning the end.

Mar 13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
Mar 13:32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

The heaven and earth of the former dispensation gave way to the new heaven and the new earth of the new dispensation. This transition is reflected in the transition from BC to AD, which day and hour was at that time unknown to all but the Father. However, the placement of that date is not in accord with the actual transition. Jesus knew when that occurred, Luk.16:16/ Mat.3:16/ Dan.9:27, as did we, Luk.3:1/ Joh.2:20, which was Nisan 29AD. That was the middle of the 70th week, from Nisan 26AD to Nisan 33AD.

Joe.2 is almost entirely about another end, the end of the worldly powers over the Church, which will come as a result of the Second Coming. The final paragraph of Joe.2 is not about the Second Coming, however. At first glance, this passage which Peter quoted in Act.2:16 seems to be directed towards the events that are to follow the Second Coming. However, though unspecified, the term "afterward" in Joe.2:28 refers to the time after the First Coming, not after the Second Coming. It is interesting to note that in the main body of Joe.2 that the soldiers of the Lord in the Last Battle are said to enter like a theif, and the Lord said that He would come as a theif in the night.

However, your point here seems to be the movement of the Spirit which causes the testimony of the Two Witnesses. There is one thing that one may find puzzling about Rev.11, which is the statement, "when they finish their testimony" the beast will overcome and kill them. Believers should not ever finish their testimony. The sorry circumstance of such a thing occuring would likely cause spiritual descent, even to the point of falling asleep, which is like spiritual death; the petite mort, the little death. Overcoming most often requires such unpleasant experiences, and though those of the world rejoice over such failure, yet there is the revival;

Rev 11:10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
Rev 11:11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.

Don't lose heart, especially if you don't understand it all.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[DavidT]

Thank you for your interest, and for your interesting perspective. It seems that you are tending towards the literalist interpretation of the Two Witnesses of Rev.11, and of the seven churches of Rev.1-3.

Well, you're welcome, and I always prefer to stay literal in God's Word when His Word is NOT using metaphor, parable, and analogy, which His Word also often does.

But just to be clear with your view, it is not a supported one among Bible scholars, since Bible scholars well understand that God's Word is meant literally unless it is giving an analogy or parable, like Lord Jesus often did when speaking to the multitudes. And even then, in private when His disciples asked Him to explain, His explanations of His parables when answering His disciples were often written down by them for our admonition.

Furthermore, those like Origen of the Alexandria school got in trouble for trying to allegorize even the LITERAL portions of God's Word, and that false theoretical movement, which was influenced by the Greek pagan philosophy of the 1st & 2nd century Gnostics, is still active today, and is present in some of the later modern Bible translations since Wescott and Hort's 1880's new Greek New Testament translation.

The literalist perspective of the Two Witnesses is not preferred for a couple of reasons. Firstly, there is Rev.11:7, which states that the (first) Beast will make war against the Two Witnesses.

Already you make an error in interpretation. The "beast that shall ascend out of the bottomless pit" is about Satan as the coming Antichrist, which is actually the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward that comes to work miracles on earth to deceive the whole world. The 1st beast is a 'beast kingdom', which will have 'ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns'.

I suggest then, you go back and actually study the Rev.13 chapter more closely to better discover which 'beast' idea is which.

Further, what flesh kingdom, or even flesh man, 'ascends from the bottomless pit'? None, so who would that be pointing to, which would NOT be a literalist interpretation, since it is pointing to a spiritual realm matter?

War is conducted between two parties of multiple individuals, so both the Beast and the Two Witnesses must be groups of people.

Already you've gone off in La-la Allegory land like the school at Alexandria, Egypt and Gnosticism. The "two witnesses" of Revelation represent two real individuals that will appear in Jerusalem for the end, and will witness against the beast (both, the 1st beast (a kingdom) and the 2nd beast (the Antichrit - Satan himself who will ascend from the bottomless pit to kill those "two witnesses", and here's the best part that Revelation 11:8 reveals, that will happen in JERUSALEM at the end of this world.

 

[Terraphim]

Well, you're welcome, and I always prefer to stay literal in God's Word when His Word is NOT using metaphor, parable, and analogy, which His Word also often does.

Thank you for beginning by expressing your solicitude, and for your passion. The ability to discern what to understand in a literal manner, and what to understand in a figurative manner, is not immediately obvious, especially for beginners who have not developed very much spiritually, 1Co.2:14. Further, God often arranged the literal circumstances of Biblical history in such a manner that it may be understood to represent spiritual truths.

But just to be clear with your view, it is not a supported one among Bible scholars,

We are blessed with an abundance of Biblical scholarship these days, which is very helpful. That does not mean that the truth is established by forming a majority of scholars.

the Greek pagan philosophy of the 1st & 2nd century Gnostics

It is interesting that you note that Origen interpreted scripture in an overly metaphoric manner, which was influenced by the Gnostic perspective. It's not so surprising that this topic would arise in regards to a non-mainstream systematic theology which has been developed to a high degree of intellectual sophistication. First, in regards to the idea of taking license through overly metaphoric interpretation, I can say that my interpretation is founded on the principle of scripture interpreting scripture, in a comprehensive manner. Therefore, I have developed a view of the Bible as a composite whole. This allows for the integration of a number of passages which are normally difficult to include in the mainstream theologies. Second, Gnostic soteriology is well known to have been based upon salvation by works, regarding esoteric knowledge. That is not the case for my theology, as the four incremental elections to the four incremental salvations are unto the four spiritual generations of the regeneration of the spirit body, are all by grace through faith. That is so, even though there are qualifying factors (such as a confession of faith for the first salvation), because a qualifying factor does not guarantee election, and so, election is by grace if given.

The 1st beast is a 'beast kingdom', which will have 'ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns'.

This much is correct, Rev.13:1, as it follows the Biblical method that was given in Daniel which describes the four empires which had dominion over the Jewish faith. The "blasphemous name" on the heads of the First Beast is the "Holy Roman Empire", the HRE/EU; Hitler sword slash, Rev.13:14 / Rev.13:3, European Union. It has been rightly noted that the Holy Roman Empire was not holy, and was not Roman. It is a contradiction in terms for an empire to be Holy and Roman, which is why it is a blasphemous name.

The "beast that shall ascend out of the bottomless pit" is about Satan as the coming Antichrist, which is actually the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11

However, this much is not correct. Satan is the Great Dragon, Rev.12:3, who gave his authority to the NT First Beast, Rev.13:2, and then to the NT Second Beast, Rev.13:12. Satan is not Abaddon/Apollyon, Rev.9:11, who is the destroyer angel who is the king of the bottomless pit. The name Abbadon was first given to the lowest level of Sheol by the Hebrew sages, which fits with the destroyer angel, as perdition occurs in the lowest hell. The grinding to powder, Mat.21:44, is as the dust of the perdition of the soul, which is compared to the immediate incineration of the human body which occurs as a result of nuclear obliteration. The destructive results of the nuclear chain reaction of U-235, Rev.9:7, is what Rev.9:2 is about, along with radiation sickness, Rev.9:10. The disputed German discovery of fission is indicated from this passage, Rev.9:1-11, as Hitler's Germany was one head of the NT First Beast, the HRE. Therefore, the NT First Beast, the HRE/EU, was said to ascend from the bottomless pit of hell, as compared to the nuclear destruction which they discovered. Abaddon in Hebrew and Apollyon in Greek means destroyer, Rev.9:11, which is what J. Robert Openheimer quoted from the Bhagavad-Gita after the Trinity bomb test.

J.R.O. "destroyer of worlds" link

The NT Second Beast was the empire which existed simultaneously with the NT First Beast, Rev.13:12, and produced the fusion chain reaction, Rev.13:13, and produced not only television but also artificial intelligence AI, Rev.13:15. That is the Anglo-American Empire, the AAE. America is in the process of becoming socialist, as has England, and the mark of the beast refers to Karl Marx, who was born in 1866. The 666 number of the beast is the number of a man, that is 6+6+6=18, and the 66 part represents the two horns of the NT Second Beast, Rev.13:11, which are the two main countries of that empire.

Though the European and English/American governments are largely founded upon the Roman legal tradition, their countries have been blessed with the prosperity which largely comes from a Judeo-Christian work ethic, intelectual enrichment, and civic stability. It is in their intrest to allow the semetic faiths to prosper.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[Terraphim]

4/21/24

for thus Christian Pentacost Whitsunday (49+1) is counted, once the Sunday that’s day #1 is properly determined.

For clarification:

The counting of Pentacost Whitsunday begins on the Sabbath day before Barley Firstfruits Sunday, Lev.23:15. That Sabbath is day #1 of the count, though that Saturday is determined by the following day of Barley Firstfruits Sunday, which, though it is the determinant, is day #2 of the count.

The determination of the correct calendrical placement of Pentacost Witsunday depends upon the proper placement of Barley Firstfruits Sunday, which according to scripture must precede Passover Day by up to a week. The full moon of Passover Day begins the Feast of Firstfruits, which is completed by the following 7 days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and so for 8 days the Jews were commanded to eat unleavened bread, Exo.12:18. In order for them to properly eat any of the bread of that feast, it is empasized, the offerings of Barley Firstfruits Sunday had to be given first, Lev.23:14, usually several days before Passover Day. The placement of the day of Barley Firstfruits Sunday is specified as being “when you come into the land”, Lev.23:10. The Israelites began that process by crossing the Jordan River into the promised land, which process began 3 days before it was accomplished, Jos.4:19/3:2. The first of those 3 days was the 7th day of the first month of Abib; that is Nisan. Therefore, Barley Firstfruits Sunday has to occur on one of the 7 days which are the 7th through the 13th days of Nisan, Exo.12:18, when the barley has become as Heb. abib, i.e. “green ears of grain”, before the full moon that’s on the evening which begins 14th day of Nisan. Thus, Barley Firstfruits Sunday generally occurs around the end of March or in April, and it must be during the week which precedes Passover Day, which is on the 14th day of Nisan, Lev.23:5.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[Follower Of Christ]

The two witnesses are called to prophesy. If they are called to prophesy from Matthew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it!" From Revelation 11:8 "And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt where their Lord was crucified."

Prophets are killed in Jerusalem, and so it shall be with the two witnesses. I do not see how then the two witnesses can be two groups of people all in Jerusalem killed at the same time.

Blessings!
Follower Of Christ