Who, or What, are the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11?

[Carry_Your_Name]

Carry_Your_Name

The "private ministry" of Jesus is inferred, and it is a term which is used as it complements the term "public ministry". The private ministry began in 26AD, at the beginning of the 70th week, when Jesus was secretly anointed king of Israel. This was the anointing of God by the hand of man, as Lord. His anointing as Savior came by the descent of the Holy Spirit. In Dan.9:25, 7+62 weeks are given "until Messiah the Prince". The Messiah means the anointed one. The first part of His anointing, as Lord, therefore had to take place at the end of the 7+62 weeks, which is at the beginning of the 70th week.

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Be blessed, be well.

No man, there's no such thing. The only inference is his reputation as a carpenter and the son of a carpenter among his townsfolks. His ministry started with his baptism at age 30 in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar.

Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, while Annas and Caiaphas were high priests, the word of God came to John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. (Lk. 3:1-3)

When all the people were baptized, it came to pass that Jesus also was baptized; and while He prayed, the heaven was opened. And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.” Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age ... (Lk. 3:21-23)

 

[Terraphim]

His ministry started with his baptism at age 30 in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar.

Yes, the Lord's public ministry began when He was about 30, according to Luk.3:1,23. That was Nisan 29AD, which is further substantiated by Joh.2:20, and His public ministry was as the Savior. The Lord's private ministry began three years earlier, in Nisan 26AD, and His private ministry was as Lord. Together, His private and public ministry was for 7 years, which was the 70th week of Daniel. The private ministry is inferred from Dan.9:25, as there were 7 weeks and 62 weeks until Messiah, which weeks began in Nisan 458BC. Therefore, -458BC+483 years=483-458=25AD, that is, to the end of 25AD, that is, the Jewish beginning of 26AD, which begins in the Jewish month of Nisan. That leaves the 70th week, from Nisan 26AD until Nisan 33AD.

(The end date of Nisan 33AD is substantiated by the fact that Passover day is a movable feast day, coupled with the fact that Passover day for 33AD was from Thursday evening until Friday evening, on the day of preparation before the Saturday Sabbath, which entirely accords with scripture, Mat.27:62/ Mar.15:42/ Luk.23:54/ Joh.19:31. Some people are confused by Joh.19:14, which should be clarified.)

Daniel’s 70th week began in Nisan, 26AD, and those seven years were concluded with the crucifixion of Jesus in Nisan, 33AD;

70 weeks, 7+62+1=70, no 62||1 gap, 70x7=490;
Beginning at Ezr.7:9, which was seven years after Nisan 1, 465BC (465BC-7=458BC).
Nisan, 458BC is the Dan.9:25 “going forth” of Ezr.7:26.
Nisan 458BC unto the Jewish end of 32AD (crucifixion in Nisan, 33AD) is (458+32)=(490=70x

The inference from Dan.9:25 that there was a private ministry as Lord is validated by a proper understanding of Luk.4:18, because of the way that He phrased this statement in regards to His anointing. This statement is usually understood to refer to the descent of the Holy Spirit after His baptism in Nisan 26AD, but when it is carefully examined, it is appears that He was saying that He was anointed previous to the descent of the Holy Spirit.

The secret anointing of Jesus as king of Israel in 26AD was indicated by Him as follows, when He spoke of it as being previous to the descent of the Holy Spirit. Jesus quoted Isa.61:1,2a as He said in Luk.4:18, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me [after My baptism, to anoint Me as the Savior (], because He has [previously] anointed Me [as the Lord of Israel)] to preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed;”, Luk.4:19, “to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord”. As in the foregoing verse, the anointing of a king of Israel was always understood to be from God, though it came by the hand of man

While it may not seem absolutely obvious to everyone, there are nevertheless several substantiating elements which corroberate this doctrine. A private ministry as Lord does not mean that Jesus was preaching the gospel of salvation in private. In fact, the trend in scripture is fairly clear that that was not the situation, from Joh.1:30,31.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[Terraphim]

The counting of 50 days unto Pentacost according to the 7 First-Works. (Luk.14:27-33/ Php.3:7-11) 3/28/24

1) Everyone’s Welcome, Joh.10:16 |Free will acceptance is eternally foreknown (not temporily predestined),
to believe in Jesus Christ... Pro.16:1a/ 1Ti.1:15 |and provides qualification for the election of grace, through faith.
By First-Work #1 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost; as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We believe in Jesus as Christ - in His ascension. (Mar.14:61,62/ Joh.17:3)-(Act.1:9/ Eph.4:8)
2) To Come As You Are, Mat.22:9,10
with a confession of faith in Jesus Christ... Pro.16:1b/1Co.12:7,9/ Isa.45:22,23/ Mat.10:32-39/ Rom.10:9/14:11
By First-Work #2 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost; as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We confess Jesus as Christ - in His resurrection. (1Co.15:14,15)-(1Cor.15:17)
3) To Offer The Sacrifice of Praise, Isa.1:5,6/ Rev.22:2/ Jas.5:14/ Jer.33:6,11/ Psa.45:7
for His seal of anointing... Rev.7:3/ 2Ti.2:19// Mat.6:17/ 1Jo.2:20,27
By First-Work #3 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost, as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We are anointed - into His burial. (Mar.14:3-7)-(Mar.14:8,9)
4) To Be Clothed And Further Clothed,
with repentance and His robe of righteousness... Isa.61:10/ Mat.22:12
By First-Work #4 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost; as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We are baptized - into His death. Rom.6:3
5) To Perfect Your Strength In Weakness,
like emptied water pots that are filled with water turned to wine 1Co.12:9/ Heb.11:34/ Joh.2:7
(by the love of Christ be filled with the fullness of God)... Eph.3:19/ Joh.14:19-21/6:35/ Mar.8:21/ Ecc.11:1
By First-Work #5 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost; as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We have communion - into His crucifixion. Joh.6:51-54
6) To Bear Much Fruit When Pruned, Lev.23:40/ Joh.15:2 / 1Co.3:16/ 2Co.5:2,4/ 1Co.15:42,44
unto the gathering of the fruit of righteousness for eternal Life... Jas.3:18/ Joh.4:36
By First-Work #6 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost; as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We are pedluted - into His Life. Joh.13:8,14
(The entry of the Wise Virgins, the Bride of Christ, into the Door of the Wedding, into the 4th Foundation of the New Jerusalem; entry into a dwelling requires the washing of feet, which is like the washing away of fetid behaviors.)
7) And To Be Doers Of The Word, And Not Hearers Only, Jas.1:22/2:13/2:17/ Mat.7:29/ Eph.2:8-10
by the understanding (and circumcision) of the heart, Deu.6:4-6/30:6,14/ Psa.119:11/ Eze.18:31/ Pro.3:5/ 2Co.3:3
for He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 1Jo.4:4/ 1Co.1:18/ 1Th.1:5
By First-Work #7 of 7 - we count the (Penta)cost; as a 7 day remembrance, as follows.
We watch - in His way. Mat.25:13/26:41/ Mar.13:32-37/ Act.5:32/ 1Pe.4:17/Heb.6:7/ Mat.13:43/ Pro.4:18/ Dan.12:3

This totals 7 weeks = the counting of 49 days, as we remember the 7 First-Works which show us the way from Spiritual Death unto Eternal Life, as we count the cost to Jesus Christ, Luk.14:26-35/ Php.3:7-12, the same as above.
By the grace of the Life of Jesus Christ, the sentence of Spiritual Death in the world, the reproach of Egypt, is for us (Heb. Gilgal) rolling away, Jos.5:9, like the stone of His empty tomb!
1) We are believing in Jesus as Christ - in His ascension, Act.1:9;.............................................................Must believe #1
(for the Breaking, of our Spirit Body), Psa.44:19/51:17.
2) We are confessing Jesus as Christ - in His resurrection, Joh.11:25/ 1Co.15:12;...............................Must confess #1
(for the Incarnation, of our mortal Souls). (Double doors, Isa.45:1,8)
3) We are anointed with Jesus - into His burial, Mar.14:3-9;....................................................May do First-Work Rite #1
(for the Anointed Seal, of the Power’s [Anointed] Baptism of the Holy Spirit, for Reunion, Shekinah Shema).
4) We are baptized - into His death, Rom.6:3;...............................................................................Must do First-Work Rite #2
(for the Covering, of the Father’s [Immersive] Baptism of the Holy Fire, for Redemption, Shekinah Yekara).
5) We are in communion - in His crucifixion, Joh.6:51-54;........................................................Must do First-Work Rite #3
(for the Infilling, of the Son’s Manifestation and Voice, for Adoption, Shekinah Memra).
6) We are pedluted - into His Life, Joh.13:8,14;.............................................Must pedlute, should do First-Work Rite #4
(for the Indwelling, of the building up of the beloved double portion of the spirit body in the physical body, by the concurrent spiritual Resurrection, for the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit,Shekinah Ruach).
7) We are to watch - in His way, Mat.25:13/26:41/ Mar.13:32-37;..................................................................Must abide #5+
(for the Master, as servant who are Sons of the Resurrection who are equal to the angels as we spiritually ascend).

Indeed, on the 50th day, “He must increase, but I must decrease”, Joh.3:30, is fully understood, as when it is rolled forwards instead of backwards, our increase was through His decrease, His sacrifice of Himself. It’s not accidental,
for thus Christian Pentacost Whitsunday (49+1) is counted, once the Sunday that’s day #1 is properly determined.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[DavidT]

The "two witnesses" of Revelation 11 are also mentioned as being the "two candlesticks" (Rev.11:4).

What were the "candlesticks" per Revelation 1? The 7 candlesticks John saw represent the 7 Churches.

Revelation 11 is thus pointing to two literal witnesses in Jerusalem that will prophesy against the beast, and the beast (Satan) will ascend from the bottomless pit and kill them, leaving their dead bodies laying unburied in the street for three and one half days.

The symbolic "two candlesticks" represent the only 2 Churches which Jesus had no rebuke for, the Church of Smyrna and the Church of Philadelphia. Those 2 Churches represent Christ's elect that are aware of the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan", the heart of Christ's enemies that crept in among Israel long, long ago. They represent Satan's servants here on earth, the "many antichrists". And because these 2 candlesticks are aware of that, Satan will specifically go after these 2 symbolic Churches also.

Don't you recall brethren, about Jesus' warning for the end about some of us being delivered up to councils and synagogues, in order to give a TESTIMONY for Him with allowing The Holy Spirit to speak through us? (See Mark 13). Don't you remember what Peter quoted from Joel 2 about the cloven tongue manifesting for the end, just prior to the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns?

 

[Terraphim]

The "two witnesses" of Revelation 11 are also mentioned as being the "two candlesticks" (Rev.11:4).

What were the "candlesticks" per Revelation 1? The 7 candlesticks John saw represent the 7 Churches.

Revelation 11 is thus pointing to two literal witnesses in Jerusalem that will prophesy against the beast, and the beast (Satan) will ascend from the bottomless pit and kill them, leaving their dead bodies laying unburied in the street for three and one half days.

The symbolic "two candlesticks" represent the only 2 Churches which Jesus had no rebuke for, the Church of Smyrna and the Church of Philadelphia. Those 2 Churches represent Christ's elect that are aware of the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan", the heart of Christ's enemies that crept in among Israel long, long ago. They represent Satan's servants here on earth, the "many antichrists". And because these 2 candlesticks are aware of that, Satan will specifically go after these 2 symbolic Churches also.

Don't you recall brethren, about Jesus' warning for the end about some of us being delivered up to councils and synagogues, in order to give a TESTIMONY for Him with allowing The Holy Spirit to speak through us? (See Mark 13). Don't you remember what Peter quoted from Joel 2 about the cloven tongue manifesting for the end, just prior to the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns?

Thank you for your interest, and for your interesting perspective. It seems that you are tending towards the literalist interpretation of the Two Witnesses of Rev.11, and of the seven churches of Rev.1-3.

The literalist perspective of the Two Witnesses is not preferred for a couple of reasons. Firstly, there is Rev.11:7, which states that the (first) Beast will make war against the Two Witnesses. War is conducted between two parties of multiple individuals, so both the Beast and the Two Witnesses must be groups of people. Secondly, Rev.11:12 states that the Two Witnesses ascended to heaven. In Joh.3:13, Jesus said that "no one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven". Jesus was speaking of His future physical ascension. As He said, his physical ascension was the exception, as "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God", 1Co.15:50. Consequently, not only are the Two Witnesses two groups of people, but the ascension of Rev.11 is a spiritual ascension. Jesus said to Nathaniel that "you will see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man", Joh.1:51, even as with Jacob's ladder. The spiritual ascension and descension of men occurs likewise, as the sons of the resurrection are equal to the angels, Luk.20:36. The general resurrection completes the regeneration of the spirit body (the second birth), which resurrection is spiritual, 1Co.15:42,44, and concurrent, Eph.2:5,6, as heaven is juxtaposed, not postponed. Yes, an exact understanding of scripture requires a paradigm shift. That is why we must come to the Lord as little children, for children have little in the way of preconceptions, such that they are teachable.

The two lamp stands, or candlesticks, of Rev.11, are from Zec.4, where the two lamp stands are as one, though it is fed by the oil of the two olive trees, which are the two anointed ones who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth. The single lamp stand of Zec.4 has 7 lamps, which are stated to be eyes which scan throughout the whole earth, for the 7 lamps are the 7 spiritual generations of the true Church, which reside in the seven heavens, the septum. In the NT, the Gentiles have begun to come in to the kingdom of heaven, so the one lamp stand of Zec.4 becomes the two lampstands of the Two Witnesses. Further, the seven lamps of Zec.4 become the seven lamp stands of Rev.1, which are the 7 Churches, which are the 7 spiritual generations.

There are false brethren who are of the "synagogue of Satan", or of the church of chips, or of the mosque of malevolence. This is necessarily true in a world of sin, from which God is saving people, to be in the true congregation. This is why Psa.23 says that "You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies". Be that as it may, there are still two blood covenants which are still valid today, the adherents of which compose the Two Witnesses. Abraham is the head of the First Witness, and Melchizedek is the head of the Second Witness, for Abraham circumcised both Isaac and Ishmael, and Melchizedek was the Gentile priest of the God most high, such that Jesus was revealed to be the high priest of the order of Melchizedek, for Jesus preceded Melchizedek, both by His preexistance and by HIs preemminance.

There is much that may be said about Mar.13 and Joe.1, by which we may stir up the Spirit for Testimony, as members of the Two Witnesses, especially concerning the end.

Mar 13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
Mar 13:32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

The heaven and earth of the former dispensation gave way to the new heaven and the new earth of the new dispensation. This transition is reflected in the transition from BC to AD, which day and hour was at that time unknown to all but the Father. However, the placement of that date is not in accord with the actual transition. Jesus knew when that occurred, Luk.16:16/ Mat.3:16/ Dan.9:27, as did we, Luk.3:1/ Joh.2:20, which was Nisan 29AD. That was the middle of the 70th week, from Nisan 26AD to Nisan 33AD.

Joe.2 is almost entirely about another end, the end of the worldly powers over the Church, which will come as a result of the Second Coming. The final paragraph of Joe.2 is not about the Second Coming, however. At first glance, this passage which Peter quoted in Act.2:16 seems to be directed towards the events that are to follow the Second Coming. However, though unspecified, the term "afterward" in Joe.2:28 refers to the time after the First Coming, not after the Second Coming. It is interesting to note that in the main body of Joe.2 that the soldiers of the Lord in the Last Battle are said to enter like a theif, and the Lord said that He would come as a theif in the night.

However, your point here seems to be the movement of the Spirit which causes the testimony of the Two Witnesses. There is one thing that one may find puzzling about Rev.11, which is the statement, "when they finish their testimony" the beast will overcome and kill them. Believers should not ever finish their testimony. The sorry circumstance of such a thing occuring would likely cause spiritual descent, even to the point of falling asleep, which is like spiritual death; the petite mort, the little death. Overcoming most often requires such unpleasant experiences, and though those of the world rejoice over such failure, yet there is the revival;

Rev 11:10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
Rev 11:11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.

Don't lose heart, especially if you don't understand it all.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[DavidT]

Thank you for your interest, and for your interesting perspective. It seems that you are tending towards the literalist interpretation of the Two Witnesses of Rev.11, and of the seven churches of Rev.1-3.

Well, you're welcome, and I always prefer to stay literal in God's Word when His Word is NOT using metaphor, parable, and analogy, which His Word also often does.

But just to be clear with your view, it is not a supported one among Bible scholars, since Bible scholars well understand that God's Word is meant literally unless it is giving an analogy or parable, like Lord Jesus often did when speaking to the multitudes. And even then, in private when His disciples asked Him to explain, His explanations of His parables when answering His disciples were often written down by them for our admonition.

Furthermore, those like Origen of the Alexandria school got in trouble for trying to allegorize even the LITERAL portions of God's Word, and that false theoretical movement, which was influenced by the Greek pagan philosophy of the 1st & 2nd century Gnostics, is still active today, and is present in some of the later modern Bible translations since Wescott and Hort's 1880's new Greek New Testament translation.

The literalist perspective of the Two Witnesses is not preferred for a couple of reasons. Firstly, there is Rev.11:7, which states that the (first) Beast will make war against the Two Witnesses.

Already you make an error in interpretation. The "beast that shall ascend out of the bottomless pit" is about Satan as the coming Antichrist, which is actually the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward that comes to work miracles on earth to deceive the whole world. The 1st beast is a 'beast kingdom', which will have 'ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns'.

I suggest then, you go back and actually study the Rev.13 chapter more closely to better discover which 'beast' idea is which.

Further, what flesh kingdom, or even flesh man, 'ascends from the bottomless pit'? None, so who would that be pointing to, which would NOT be a literalist interpretation, since it is pointing to a spiritual realm matter?

War is conducted between two parties of multiple individuals, so both the Beast and the Two Witnesses must be groups of people.

Already you've gone off in La-la Allegory land like the school at Alexandria, Egypt and Gnosticism. The "two witnesses" of Revelation represent two real individuals that will appear in Jerusalem for the end, and will witness against the beast (both, the 1st beast (a kingdom) and the 2nd beast (the Antichrit - Satan himself who will ascend from the bottomless pit to kill those "two witnesses", and here's the best part that Revelation 11:8 reveals, that will happen in JERUSALEM at the end of this world.

 

[Terraphim]

Well, you're welcome, and I always prefer to stay literal in God's Word when His Word is NOT using metaphor, parable, and analogy, which His Word also often does.

Thank you for beginning by expressing your solicitude, and for your passion. The ability to discern what to understand in a literal manner, and what to understand in a figurative manner, is not immediately obvious, especially for beginners who have not developed very much spiritually, 1Co.2:14. Further, God often arranged the literal circumstances of Biblical history in such a manner that it may be understood to represent spiritual truths.

But just to be clear with your view, it is not a supported one among Bible scholars,

We are blessed with an abundance of Biblical scholarship these days, which is very helpful. That does not mean that the truth is established by forming a majority of scholars.

the Greek pagan philosophy of the 1st & 2nd century Gnostics

It is interesting that you note that Origen interpreted scripture in an overly metaphoric manner, which was influenced by the Gnostic perspective. It's not so surprising that this topic would arise in regards to a non-mainstream systematic theology which has been developed to a high degree of intellectual sophistication. First, in regards to the idea of taking license through overly metaphoric interpretation, I can say that my interpretation is founded on the principle of scripture interpreting scripture, in a comprehensive manner. Therefore, I have developed a view of the Bible as a composite whole. This allows for the integration of a number of passages which are normally difficult to include in the mainstream theologies. Second, Gnostic soteriology is well known to have been based upon salvation by works, regarding esoteric knowledge. That is not the case for my theology, as the four incremental elections to the four incremental salvations are unto the four spiritual generations of the regeneration of the spirit body, are all by grace through faith. That is so, even though there are qualifying factors (such as a confession of faith for the first salvation), because a qualifying factor does not guarantee election, and so, election is by grace if given.

The 1st beast is a 'beast kingdom', which will have 'ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns'.

This much is correct, Rev.13:1, as it follows the Biblical method that was given in Daniel which describes the four empires which had dominion over the Jewish faith. The "blasphemous name" on the heads of the First Beast is the "Holy Roman Empire", the HRE/EU; Hitler sword slash, Rev.13:14 / Rev.13:3, European Union. It has been rightly noted that the Holy Roman Empire was not holy, and was not Roman. It is a contradiction in terms for an empire to be Holy and Roman, which is why it is a blasphemous name.

The "beast that shall ascend out of the bottomless pit" is about Satan as the coming Antichrist, which is actually the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11

However, this much is not correct. Satan is the Great Dragon, Rev.12:3, who gave his authority to the NT First Beast, Rev.13:2, and then to the NT Second Beast, Rev.13:12. Satan is not Abaddon/Apollyon, Rev.9:11, who is the destroyer angel who is the king of the bottomless pit. The name Abbadon was first given to the lowest level of Sheol by the Hebrew sages, which fits with the destroyer angel, as perdition occurs in the lowest hell. The grinding to powder, Mat.21:44, is as the dust of the perdition of the soul, which is compared to the immediate incineration of the human body which occurs as a result of nuclear obliteration. The destructive results of the nuclear chain reaction of U-235, Rev.9:7, is what Rev.9:2 is about, along with radiation sickness, Rev.9:10. The disputed German discovery of fission is indicated from this passage, Rev.9:1-11, as Hitler's Germany was one head of the NT First Beast, the HRE. Therefore, the NT First Beast, the HRE/EU, was said to ascend from the bottomless pit of hell, as compared to the nuclear destruction which they discovered. Abaddon in Hebrew and Apollyon in Greek means destroyer, Rev.9:11, which is what J. Robert Openheimer quoted from the Bhagavad-Gita after the Trinity bomb test.

J.R.O. "destroyer of worlds" link

The NT Second Beast was the empire which existed simultaneously with the NT First Beast, Rev.13:12, and produced the fusion chain reaction, Rev.13:13, and produced not only television but also artificial intelligence AI, Rev.13:15. That is the Anglo-American Empire, the AAE. America is in the process of becoming socialist, as has England, and the mark of the beast refers to Karl Marx, who was born in 1866. The 666 number of the beast is the number of a man, that is 6+6+6=18, and the 66 part represents the two horns of the NT Second Beast, Rev.13:11, which are the two main countries of that empire.

Though the European and English/American governments are largely founded upon the Roman legal tradition, their countries have been blessed with the prosperity which largely comes from a Judeo-Christian work ethic, intelectual enrichment, and civic stability. It is in their intrest to allow the semetic faiths to prosper.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[Terraphim]

4/21/24

for thus Christian Pentacost Whitsunday (49+1) is counted, once the Sunday that’s day #1 is properly determined.

For clarification:

The counting of Pentacost Whitsunday begins on the Sabbath day before Barley Firstfruits Sunday, Lev.23:15. That Sabbath is day #1 of the count, though that Saturday is determined by the following day of Barley Firstfruits Sunday, which, though it is the determinant, is day #2 of the count.

The determination of the correct calendrical placement of Pentacost Witsunday depends upon the proper placement of Barley Firstfruits Sunday, which according to scripture must precede Passover Day by up to a week. The full moon of Passover Day begins the Feast of Firstfruits, which is completed by the following 7 days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and so for 8 days the Jews were commanded to eat unleavened bread, Exo.12:18. In order for them to properly eat any of the bread of that feast, it is empasized, the offerings of Barley Firstfruits Sunday had to be given first, Lev.23:14, usually several days before Passover Day. The placement of the day of Barley Firstfruits Sunday is specified as being “when you come into the land”, Lev.23:10. The Israelites began that process by crossing the Jordan River into the promised land, which process began 3 days before it was accomplished, Jos.4:19/3:2. The first of those 3 days was the 7th day of the first month of Abib; that is Nisan. Therefore, Barley Firstfruits Sunday has to occur on one of the 7 days which are the 7th through the 13th days of Nisan, Exo.12:18, when the barley has become as Heb. abib, i.e. “green ears of grain”, before the full moon that’s on the evening which begins 14th day of Nisan. Thus, Barley Firstfruits Sunday generally occurs around the end of March or in April, and it must be during the week which precedes Passover Day, which is on the 14th day of Nisan, Lev.23:5.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[Follower Of Christ]

The two witnesses are called to prophesy. If they are called to prophesy from Matthew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it!" From Revelation 11:8 "And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt where their Lord was crucified."

Prophets are killed in Jerusalem, and so it shall be with the two witnesses. I do not see how then the two witnesses can be two groups of people all in Jerusalem killed at the same time.

Blessings!
Follower Of Christ

 

[Terraphim]

Thanks, and blessings to you as well!

I do not see how then the two witnesses can be two groups of people all in Jerusalem killed at the same time.

My perspective is that the slaying of the Two Witnesses is meant not only physically in Jerusalem for some, but spiritually throughout the world for many, and it is occurring over a long period of time, which is during the Times of the Gentiles, Luk.21:24. The Times of the Gentiles is the Jewish dispersion, the diaspora, which is what the Great Tribulation actually is, Luk.21:24/ Mat.24:21, as the common context of these two passages validates this prederist perspective. This time period is represented by 42 months, Rev.11:2, which is three and a half years, Rev.11.9,11/ Eze.4:6. Further, three and a half years is approximately how long it takes for the resurrection of the spirit body within the physical bodies, 1Cor.42,44/ Eph.2:5,6, which process completes the second birth, Joh.3:3,5. Properly understood, the general resurrection is the gathering of harvest, Mar.4:29, and the sickel is the sword of the word entering and indwelling the physical bodies. This occurs at the beginning of the fourth Day, that is the final Day of the spiritual regeneration. The regeneration is the beginning of the return, which is the spiritual ascension, Rev.11:12. The cloud in which they ascended to heaven is the idea of billowing fullness, the fullness of God, Eph.1:23, in the New Jerusalem, Rev.21:23, which is as one of Ezekiel's wheels, Eze.10:13, the chariots of fire, 2Ki.6:17, the chariots of God, Psa.68:17, wherein dwell many spiritual generations, according to the order of Days.

YouTube link; 2012 Solar Phenomenon, Ezekiel's Wheels

Be blessed, be well.

 

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Correction for post #114:
The Son is located at stage left, not stage right. (At audience right.)

The Seven Pillars of Wisdom were given as:

There are 7 pillars of Wisdom, Pro.9:1, which begin with 4 pillars in common for all three branches. These represent the four generations of the regeneration of the spirit body, which regeneration is the second birth. The 4 literal pillars are found in scripture;
1) El Bethel (Heb. el beth el), The stone pillar of The God of the house of God, Gen.28:18,19/ 35:7.
2) Jegar Sahadutha-Galeed (Ar.-Heb. gal ed); The stone pillar that’s the mound of stones which represent the witnesses - mound of witness, Gen.31:45; and so also the fullness of the (gal) swell/wave/sail billow (and hence, the cloud of witnesses, Heb.12:1).
3) Allon Bachuth (Heb. elon baka); The stone pillar at the oak of weeping, Gen.35:8-14.
4) Ephrath/Ephraim-epher/apher Bethlehem (Heb. beth el-leh-em); The stone pillar of those who are given to be
god-man-woman, who are bearing abundant fruit for the house of the bread of Life, Gen.35:19,20/ Luk.20:34-38/ 1Co.7:39/ Mat.18:20/ Col.2:2/ Eze.11:19/ 1Co.15:44.

These first four are called The Pillars of the Earth, as they relate to the spiritual regeneration.

1Sa 2:8 He raises the poor from the dust And lifts the beggar from the ash heap, To set them among princes And make them inherit the throne of glory. "For the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, And He has set the world upon them.

The 4 Pillars of the Earth are literal historical pillars, which are represented by the 4 pillars which held up the temple veil, Exo.26:32.

The last three are The Pillars of Faith, as they relate to the three Semitic faiths.

There are five pillars of Islam (star and crescent), and there are six pillars of Judaism (star of David), and so the fifth and sixth pillars of Wisdom are the two pillars of the Temple of Solomon, 1Ki.7:21: Jachin (Heb. Yakin), which means firm and steadfast (Legislative), and Boaz (Heb. Booz), which means strength and quickness (Executive). There are seven pillars of Christianity (the seven stars are the seven angels of the seven churches, which are over the seven generations in the septum), as the seventh pillar of Wisdom is the cross, Num.21:9/ Joh.3:14,

Further, the Seven Pillars of Wisdom were related to the 7 First-Works, which are remembered as we Count the Cost and Number our Days, Luk.14:28/ Php.3:8/ Psa.90:12, during the time beginning with the Jewish Great Sabbath before Passover until Pentacost Witsunday, that is from the Saturday of Anointing for Burial and the Barley Firstfruits Sunday of Triumphal Entry, Joh.12:1,7/ Joh.12:12,13, until the Wheat Firstfruits Sunday of Pentacost, that's Feast of Weeks day.

This totals 7 weeks = the counting of 49 days, as we remember the 7 First-Works which show us the way from Spiritual Death unto Eternal Life, as we count the cost to Jesus Christ, Luk.14:26-35/ Php.3:7-12, the same as above.
By the grace of the Life of Jesus Christ, the sentence of Spiritual Death in the world, the reproach of Egypt, is for us (Heb. Gilgal) rolling away, Jos.5:9, like the stone of His empty tomb!
1) We are believing in Jesus as Christ - in His ascension, Act.1:9;.............................................................Must believe #1
(for the Breaking, of our Spirit Body), Psa.44:19/51:17.
2) We are confessing Jesus as Christ - in His resurrection, Joh.11:25/ 1Co.15:12;...............................Must confess #1
(for the Incarnation, of our mortal Souls). (Double doors, Isa.45:1,8)
3) We are anointed with Jesus - into His burial, Mar.14:3-9;....................................................May do First-Work Rite #1
(for the Anointed Seal, of the Power’s [Anointed] Baptism of the Holy Spirit, for Reunion, Shekinah Shema).
4) We are baptized - into His death, Rom.6:3;...............................................................................Must do First-Work Rite #2
(for the Covering, of the Father’s [Immersive] Baptism of the Holy Fire, for Redemption, Shekinah Yekara).
5) We are in communion - in His crucifixion, Joh.6:51-54;........................................................Must do First-Work Rite #3
(for the Infilling, of the Son’s Manifestation and Voice, for Adoption, Shekinah Memra).
6) We are pedluted - into His Life, Joh.13:8,14;.............................................Must pedlute, should do First-Work Rite #4
(for the Indwelling, of the building up of the beloved double portion of the spirit body in the physical body, by the concurrent spiritual Resurrection, for the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit,Shekinah Ruach).
7) We are to watch - in His way, Mat.25:13/26:41/ Mar.13:32-37;..................................................................Must abide #5+
(for the Master, as servant who are Sons of the Resurrection who are equal to the angels as we spiritually ascend).

Indeed, on the 50th day, “He must increase, but I must decrease”, Joh.3:30, is fully understood, as when it is rolled forwards instead of backwards, our increase was through His decrease, His sacrifice of Himself. It’s not accidental,
for thus Christian Pentacost Whitsunday (49+1) is counted, once the Sunday that’s day #1 is properly determined.

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Part 2

The Seven Pillars of Wisdom and the Seven First-Works are thereby related to the spiritual ascension in the septum of juxtaposed heavens, the heaven of heavens. All of this is rolled into one symbol,which is Ezekiel's description of the dimensions of the heavenly temple's altar, Eze.43:13,14,15,16,17. The total height of this altar is given as being 7 cubits, in three parts, the 1 cubit high base, upon which is the 2 cubit high altar, upon which is the 4 cubit high hearth. An easily understandable method of describing Ezekiel's altar is obtained by going from bottom to top and back 2.5 times, as follows.

Ezekiel's altar is of three parts, the base, upon which is the altar section, upon which is the hearth. The hearth is 12 cubits square, the altar section is 14 cubits square, and the base is 16 cubits square. The base is 1 cubit high, the altar section is 2 cubits high, and the hearth is 4 cubits high. The hearth has a ledge below it's bottom that's 1 cubit wide which is surrounded by a rim that's 1/2 cubits wide, the altar section has a ledge below it's bottom that's 1 cubit wide, and the base has a rim around it's bottom that's 1 span wide. Supposing that there are three steps per cubit, there are 21 steps to the top of the hearth, where there are four horns on the corners of the hearth.

So, as with the 28 "days" (27 days + 1 interregnum) of the lunar month (actually about 29.5 days), the heavenly altar has 21 creature steps in 7 cubits, for a total of 28. The 1 cubit height of the base compares to the Son, and the 2 cubit height of the altar section compares to the Father and the Power. The 4 cubit height of the hearth compares to the 4 hells, which are below, but in the circle of justice hell is contiguous to the Godhead, for perdition occurs for those who go too long or too far in the wrong direction, for one cannot see the face of the Father and live, Exo.33:20. Those who go in the right direction are given of the Son to see the glory of the back of the Father's countenance, at the beginning of the 2nd Day, when one becomes one of the Called Generation, Exo.33:22,23/ Exo.34.6/ Mat.11:27.

The solar period of the axial precession of the equinoxes, 25,772 years, is approximately 26,000 years, and when an additional 1,000 year period is added, is compared to the 27 visible lunar days per month, such that 27,000 years compares to 27 days, a day as a thousand years, 2Pe.3:8 (Gen.2:17/ Gen.5:5). The additional 1,000 year period is, however, not actually temporal, but rather eternal, such that it is understood to be the eternal (millennial) reign of Christ, Rev.20:4. The millennial binding of Satan, on the other hand, was an actual 1,000 year period. It was from 1766-1866, from the first stirrings of the French Revolution until the birth of Karl Marx. The French Revolution began in 1789, but preceding it, in 1766, there was the slaying of the Beast of Gévaudan or Wolves of Périgord, Rev.20:2. In 1866 Karl Marx was born, and 6+6+6=18, and 66 refers to the two horns of the 2ndNT Beast. In Rev.20:5b, "this is the first resurrection" refers to the preceding verse, Rev.20:2, such that Rev.20:5a, "the rest of the dead did not live until the thousand years is finished" is the second resurrection. The first and second resurrection refers to the early and late harvest, as harvest symbolizes the resurrection.

Be blessed, be well.

 

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The millennial binding of Satan, on the other hand, was an actual 1,000 year period. It was from 1766-1866, from the first stirrings of the French Revolution until the birth of Karl Marx. The French Revolution began in 1789, but preceding it, in 1766, there was the slaying of the Beast of Gévaudan or Wolves of Périgord, Rev.20:2.

Well, I did say that I am not infallible. For all have fallen short of the glory of God. Excuses, excuses.
Revision:

The millennial binding of Satan was an actual 1,000 year period. It was from 866-1866. Aside from the Vikings advancing upon York, it was a lackluster year in history. However, there was one item of importance, which was
On November 13, 866, when Pope St. Nicholas wrote in Ad Consulta Vestra:

If a [supposed] thief or bandit is apprehended and denies the charges against him, you tell me your custom is for a judge to beat him with blows to the head and tear the sides of his body with other sharp iron goads until he confesses the truth. Such a procedure is totally unacceptable under both divine and human law (quam rem nec divina lex nec humana prorsus admittit), since a confession should be spontaneous, not forced. It should be proffered voluntarily, not violently extorted.

Given the various inquisitions which took place thereafter, both Catholic and Protestant, it seems that the binding of Satan in this matter was rather loose. However, an inquisition was a legal proceeding, which was probably more just than it would have been otherwise. It was also more just than after 1866, when the doctrine of Karl Marx came to fruition in atheistic communism. In 1866 Karl Marx was born, and 6+6+6=18, and 66 refers to the two horns of the 2nd NT Beast, the Anglo-American Empire, the AAE, which is becoming increasingly socialist/communist, which transition has allowed the use of torture, to some extent.

In Rev.20:5b, "this is the first resurrection" refers to the preceding verse (corrected from above), Rev.20:4, such that Rev.20:5a, "the rest of the dead did not live until the thousand years is finished" refers to the second resurrection. The first and second resurrection refers to the early and late harvest, as harvest symbolizes the resurrection. The early resurrection harvest was until 1866, and the late resurrection harvest has been since then.

So, the term "thousand years" is used in two senses. Firstly, in regards to the millennial reign of Christ, Rev.20:4/ Rev.20:6, it means an eternal reign that is symbolized by an additional though non-temporal precessional millennium. Secondly, in regards to the binding of Satan, Rev.20:2/ Rev.20:5/ Rev.20:7, it is a literal thousand years.

Be blessed, be well.

 

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To recapitulate (without capitulating, ha ha), Ezekiel's idealized temple has an altar which should have 21 steps, in the course of 7 cubits of height, which sum is 28. There are 28 interludes in the lunar month, as there are 27 days when the moon is visible, and 1 interlude when the moon is not visible, for about 2.5 days. Further, there is a period of 25,772 solar years, which is the cycle of the Earth's axial precession. When that is rounded off to 26,000 years, and with the addition of 2 metaphysical 1,000 year periods, there is a total of 28,000 solar years. The 28,000 solar years compare to the 28 lunar interludes, or "days", for “a day is as a thousand years”, 2Pe.3:8, or “a day in your courts is better [>] than a thousand [years]”, Psa.84:10. The 2 metaphysical 1,000 year periods are the millennial binding of Satan for a literal 1,000 year period of 866-1866AD, and the millennial reign of Jesus for all time eternally (the darkness of the interregnum period correlates with the invisible nature of God’s reign from the spiritual realm). The solar millennium / lunar day equivalence (solar/lunar equivalence doctrine) is an essential doctrine for Daist believers.

The 28 interludes correspond to 28 juxtaposed heavens, which are 4 septums. Just as there is a light and dark side in the spiritual kingdom of heaven, there is a light and dark side of the altar steps, as indicated in scripture; Mat.6:23/ Mat.8:12/ Luk.11:35/ Joh.3:19/ Joh.8:12/ Joh.12:46/ Joh.9:4/ and Joh.11:10. The light and dark sides of the altar steps correspond with the two bronze pillars of the first temple, Jachin and Boaz, as Jachin means steadfast and refers to the legislative branch, which is solar oriented Judiasm, while Boaz means strength and refers to the executive branch, which is lunar oriented Islam. Therefore, as with the placement of the two bronze pillars, the light side of the steps is on the right, and the dark side of the steps is on the left. The legislative branch is associated with directive measures, which is what mainly occurs on the light side, and the executive branch is associated with corrective measures, which is mainly what occurs on the dark side. The Power is associated with darkness in the sense that the Power existed before forms and names, and so the Power is not seen, even as things in the dark are not seen.

The fourth septum (or first, from God’s perspective), is three heavens in ascending order, for the Son, the Father, and the Power (from which extends the Holy Spirit down through the hierarchy), and four hells “above” them in the circle of justice (the 4 cubits of the hearth). A fire has four parts, the 1) flames, the 2) wood, the 3) coals, and the 4) ashes. The four hells are so organized, as there are the flames of 1) Gehenna, the wooden bier of 2) Tophet, the torches of 3) Hades, and the dusty pit of 4) Tartarus. The upper two are Hebrew words, and the lower two are Greko-Roman words. The four hells have a light and dark side, but the three highest heavens are the abode of the three-in-one God, in whom there is no darkness, 1Jn.1:5. However, the light-dark balance is still established, because God surrounds Himself with darkness, Exo.20:21/ Deu.5:23/2Sa.22:10/ 2Sa.22:12, as a shroud in which He maintains His sanctity.

So, there are 28x2=56 “mansions” in the kingdom of heaven. Or, when only considering the heavens of the created beings, and not the hells, then there are 3 septums=21 heavens, and they each have a light and dark side, so 21x2=42. After some deep thought, I recalled that there were 42 total districts in ancient Egypt.

The names for the four foundations of hell are relevant to their positions. In descending order, they are 1) The Foundation of the World, 2) The Foundation of Jericho (city of the Moon), and 3) The Foundation of Kir-Hareseth (city of the Sun), and 4) The Foundation of Dust. It’s worthy of note, that the Foundation of Dust must have some live coals left in it, as one may ascend even from the lowest hell, Lam.3:55,56,57,58.

I will note at this point that the period of the Earth’s axial precession occurs as the Earth’s polar point in the sky slowly describes a circle, the radius of which is according to the constant tilt of the Earth’s axis. This slow secondary rotation of the axis goes around at a rate of a little less than 1 degree per 72 years, such that an hourglass shape, a double conic centered in the Earth, is described over the course of 360 degrees after 25,772 years. The polar point in the night sky slowly drifts through the entire range of the zodiac. In the northern hemisphere, as one faces north to look at the polar point, the precessional drift is moving in the same direction as the motion of the sky, which is counterclockwise. When one faces south to observe the path of the sun and the planets in the ecliptic, the apparent motion is clockwise, which is also the direction of the apparent motion of the 12 signs of the zodiac, as the months go by.

However, both of the observed motions are reversed when one looks at a chart of the zodiac. On the chart of the zodiac, the polar point moves slowly clockwise, while the calendrical point moves counterclockwise through the signs of the constellations. This difference in direction between the observed motions and the chart’s motions are due to a shift in the point of perspective, from the surface of the Earth to a hypothetical observation point above the north pole looking down. The horizontal line on the chart represents your horizon, seen edge on. Confusion may be avoided by specifying which perspective is being used, the observed zodiac or the chart zodiac.

In the chart of the zodiac, the counterclockwise monthly progression through the 12 signs of the constellations is called the forward zodiac. However, the polar point is slowly going in the opposite direction, clockwise, and so it is moving through the 13 signs of the reverse zodiac. Yes, in the reverse zodiac there is one more constellation than in the forward zodiac. That is because there is one constellation on the ecliptic that is ignored in the forward zodiac. That constellation and zodiac sign is Ophiuchus (Oh-FEE-uk-us), the snake tamer, which is between Scorpio and Sagittarius. In the reverse zodiac, the polar period of about 26,000 years is divided by the 13 constellations into 2,000 year ages. The ages are exactly 1,982 and 6/13 years long.

The new heaven(s) and the new earth which began during the Anno Domini era, Isa.65:17,22/ Rev.21:1, began with the middle day of Daniel’s 70th week of years, which was 29AD, which was when Jesus was baptized and the descent of the Holy Spirit occurred, which began the age of Pisces. Therefore, 29AD+1982.5 years~2011.5AD. Then add to that the approximately 4 months from January until Nisan, to find the cusp of the Age of Aquarius, which was around the beginning of Nov. 2011, that is 11/1/11. In Pentacost we join in the celebration of the victory of the skies, praise Jesus!

The sign of Ophiuchus is a capital U with a snake ~ across the middle, almost like two crosses, +~+. The U indicates the same thing today as when this sign was made, which is a U-turn. That is a reversal, such as when the charted polar point moves through the reverse zodiac in the opposite direction from the monthly motion through the constellations in the forward zodiac. The snake part of the sign represents the waveform which results from the yearly cycle of the ecliptic which is observed, as the ribbon of the ecliptic appears to move with the seasons, which is a result of the 23.4 degree axial tilt which remains constant throughout the Earth’s orbit. That is why star charts which show the observed perspective of the constellations often have this wave form across the middle of the chart, going through the constellations of the zodiac. Though the ecliptic is like a flat disc that’s not very thick, the daily and monthly observation of the constellations along it results in a wave form. So, the sign of Ophiuchus simply means the reverse zodiac, that is the precessional movement of the pole through all 13 of the signs, instead of only twelve signs in the forward zodiac.

Ophiuchus, the Snake Tamer +~+
The twelve in each year
To the wise do appear,
Along their wending way, (+ ~)
But to their counter (U)
One waves to astound her, (- ~)
As Prudence bears long with the Wise.

(25,772/13=1,982&6/13 years/age)
The Piscean age began in the spring of 29AD with the descent of the Holy Spirit upon Jesus Christ.
The Aquarian age began with Nov. 2011AD; 11/1/11.
(26,000+1T+1T=28,000) 1T years : 1 day (27+1=28)
1T=866-1866 the binding of Satan
6+6+6=18_66=the 2 horns of the 2nd NT Beast
1T=the eternal millennial reign of Jesus Christ

Be blessed, be well.

 

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As I said, the date that I gave for the cusp of the Age of Aquarius was an approximation, as it is based on the date for the cusp of the preceding Age of Pisces, which was also an approximate. The beginning of the Age of Pisces is based on the day that the Christian Church began. The Christian Church is defined as being the body of believers in Jesus the Christ, who thereby have received the gift of the Holy Spirit. The Christian dispensation of the Holy Spirit began with 1) the descent of the Holy Spirit upon Jesus when He prayed after His baptism, which 2) was dispensed to the first two believers, Peter and probably John, when they heard John the Baptist proclaim Jesus to be the Lamb of God, Joh.1:37/ Luk.16:16. Jesus then 3) showed that He was the Messiah by overcoming the three temptations of Satan. Therefore, the Age of Pisces began on the day that Jesus Christ, in the power of the Holy Spirit, confirmed His covenant as the Messiah, by overcoming Satan’s temptations.

That occurred on Nisan 1, 29AD (as follows), which was the beginning of the “new heavens and a new earth”, Isa.65:17/ Isa:66:22. Then the “new heaven and the new earth”, Rev.21:1, shows that both blood covenants are still in effect. The reference to “there was no more sea” is because the Herodian laver, which eventually replaced the bronze sea of the 1st temple, was destroyed along with the Herodian temple in 70AD, albeit the transition of the new heavens and new earth was before 70AD.

Physically speaking, the transition from one heaven to another is in reference to the axial precession transition from Aries to Pisces, along with the associated polar star. As Aries is the first sign of the zodiac, and Pisces is the last sign of the zodiac, and the axial precession proceeds in the reverse direction of the monthly zodiac, the Aries to Pisces transition begins a new precessional zodiac cycle; hence, the new heavens. The transition to a new earth is in reference to the modern Anno Domini, or Common Era, which began when the Messiah confirmed His covenant.

I did not believe that the exact date for the start of the Age of Pisces could be determined from scripture, as I had previously tried on a number of occasions. After my last post, the indeterminacy of the date that I had given bothered me, and the Holy Spirit moved me to try again. This time I was put to the grindstone, and after heating up a while, I finally found the scriptural process by which an exact date for His baptism is determined from scripture! Scripture is truly wonderfully wrought!

Nobody can seriously dispute that the baptism of Jesus was in 29AD, Luk.3:1/ Joh.2:20. His baptism was before Passover Day (always a full moon on Nisan 14) of 29AD, which was on Sunday, April 17, 29AD.

For further confirmation of a 29AD baptism, we need to look at Daniel’s 70 weeks, Dan.9:24-27.

70 weeks, 7+62+1=70, no 62||1 gap, 70x7=490;
Beginning at Ezr.7:9, which was seven years after Nisan 1, 465BC (465BC-7=458BC).
Nisan, 458BC is the Dan.9:25 “going forth” of Ezr.7:26.
Nisan 458BC unto the Jewish end of 32AD (crucifixion in Nisan, 33AD) is (458+32)=(490=70x7).

Daniel’s 70th week began in Nisan, 26AD, and those seven years were concluded with the crucifixion of Jesus in Nisan, 33AD. The 70th week of Daniel began in 26AD, as there were 3 years of private ministry (as Lord; secretly anointed king of Israel), and then there were 4 years of public ministry (as Savior), which was concluded in Nisan of 33AD by the crucifixion, which was the end of the 70th week.

Verse Dan.9:27 says that "after the sixty-two weeks Messiah will be cut off". The 70th week is the last week, as there are 7+62+1 weeks of years. So, the crucifixion wasn’t immediately after the 7+62 weeks, rather, the 70th week was immediately after the 70+62 weeks; and the end of the 70th week was the crucifixion. So, after the 7+62 weeks comes the 70th week, which is when the “Messiah will be cut off”; at the end of it.

So, Daniel’s 70th week was from 26AD-33AD. The first part of Dan.9:27 says, “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” There are no 3.5 weeks in relation to Daniel's 70 weeks, rather, the year 29AD is the middle of the week. After the conclusion of the 3rd year of His private ministry, Jesus began His public ministry in 29AD, when in the power of the Holy Spirit He confirmed that He was the Messiah. The Dan.9:27 "middle of the week" is 29AD, as follows; 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32.
The four years of His public ministry are mostly confirmed in the Gospel of John; Joh.2:13/ Joh.5:1?/ Joh.6:4/ Joh.11:55.

I here again show that the middle of Daniel’s 70th week is 29AD, because “in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering”, Dan.9:27, as the forgiveness of sin was then shown to be according to a different method. That is, forgiveness is by the power of the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ, which power Jesus personally demonstrated, when He verbally forgave sins, Mat.9:6, in 29AD. Forgiveness is a part of Christian salvation, by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit. The new dispensation of the Holy Spirit began with Nisan in 29AD, as I have again shown 29AD to be the year that was the middle of Daniel’s 70th week.

Gabriel’s prophecy about Daniel’s 70 weeks is according to the Jewish ecclesiastic (religious) calendar, which begins with the month of Nisan. So, “the middle of the week” is the year 29AD, but it is according to the Jewish religious calendar. The new year for the Jewish religious calendar begins with the month of Nisan.

So, we have narrowed down the time period for the beginning of the Piscean Age/ New Heavens and Earth, by determining the time period in which Jesus confirmed that He was the Messiah of the new covenant. The time period is from Nisan 1st to Nisan 14th of 29AD. That is, from Monday April 4, to Sunday April 17, of 29AD.

There were two Sabbaths during that period of time, on April 9th, and on April 16th. Jesus read from the scroll of Isaiah in Nazareth on one of these Sabbaths. It was not the 16th,as that would not allow enough time to go to Capernaum for a few days, and then to Jerusalem. So, Jesus spoke at the Nazareth synagogue on Saturday, April 9, 29AD.

We may now begin to put together an itinerary for Monday 4/4/29-Sunday 4/17/29.
1) Bethabara beyond the Jordan: ?
2) The Wilderness Temptation: ?
3) Cana: “on the third day”, Joh.2:1, after Saturday 4/2/29; that is Tuesday 4/5/29, the wedding at Cana.
4) Nazareth: Saturday 4/9/29: Jesus speaks at the synagogue in Nazareth, on the Great Sabbath.
5) Capernaum: only a few days, Joh.2:12
6) Jerusalem: Passover Day, Sunday 4/17/29
This leaves only the events at 1) Bethabara and 2) the wilderness to account for. These events are chronicled by John, as there are 4 days which he mentions; Joh.1:19/ Joh.1:29/ Joh.1:35/ and Joh.1:43. Though John doesn’t specifically mention the baptism of Jesus, it is clear from the congruent aspects of the account from the synoptic gospels that His baptism took place on the second mentioned day, Joh.1:29.

On the last mentioned day, it’s clear that Jesus intended to travel to Galilee, Joh.1:43, and after speaking to Nathaniel of Cana, Joh.21:2, Jesus went to a wedding in the town of Cana, in the region of Galilee. The wedding was on 4/5/29, and so, the 4th mentioned day, Joh.1:43, was a travel day, on 4/4/29. That was when the Temptation of Christ in the Wilderness took place. The 3rd mentioned day, Joh.1:35, was when the first 2 disciples followed Jesus, which was on 4/3/29. That leaves the 2nd mentioned day, Joh.1:29, which was when John the Baptist first recognized Jesus as “the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world”, which parallels the synoptic gospels concerning His baptism. Therefore, the baptism of Jesus, and the descent of the Holy Spirit upon Jesus, occurred on the Sabbath which was 3 days before the Cana wedding, Joh.2:1, on Saturday April 2, 29AD.

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Part 2

The itinerary is therefore completed as follows.
1) Bethabara beyond the Jordan:
.....Day #1) Joh.1:19, Friday, April 1 (4/1/29): The Pharisees interrogate John the Baptist.
.....Day #2) Joh.1:29, Saturday, April 2 (4/2/29): The Sabbath baptism, and the descent of the Holy Spirit upon Jesus.
.....Day #3) Joh.1:35, Sunday, April 3 (4/3/29): The first 2 disciples of Jesus, and the dispensation of the Holy Spirit.
2) The Wilderness Temptation of Jesus Christ (Travel to Cana):
.....Day #4) Joh.1:43, Monday, April 4 (4/4/29): By overcoming the temptations of Satan by the Power of the Holy
.....Spirit through the written Word, Jesus did “confirm” that He is the Messiah, Dan.9:27, on Nisan 1, 29AD, in the
.....middle of the 70th week, and He did then forgive sins, which “brings an end to sacrifice and offering” for sin.
3) Cana: “on the third day”, Joh.2:1, after Saturday 4/2/29; that is Tuesday, April 5 (4/5/29): The wedding at Cana.
4) Nazareth: Saturday, April 9 (4/9/29): Jesus speaks in the synagogue at Nazareth, on the Great Sabbath.
5) Capernaum: for a few days, Joh.2:12
6) Jerusalem: Passover Day, Sunday, April 17 (4/17/29).

Therefore, the beginning of the Age of Pisces was on Monday, April 4, 29AD (4/4/29), presumably at noon. With the addition of (25,772/13=1,982 years and 168.57...days), this gives us the beginning of the Age of Aquarius.

29AD+1,982 years=2011AD
April: 30 days-3.5 days=24.5 days
May: ......................................31.0 days
June: .....................................30.0 days
July: .......................................31.0 days
August: ................................31.0 days
September 21: ..................21.0 days
Total: ...................................168.5 days

So, the beginning of the Age of Aquarius was a little after 12AM on Thursday, Sept. 22, 2011AD (9/22/2011). This is a continuation of the new heavens and the new earth, the precessional cycle of which will proceed through the 13 signs and ages of the reverse zodiac. However, though the heavens will then be again renewed, the eternal reign of Jesus Christ will not then cease, Mat.24:35, as it is a work which will continue for all time, for the blessing of all who will return to God. Though we now know the time of the new heavens and new earth, yet none of us foreknows the day and hour when the Lord will manifest Himself (Joh.14:21) to a believer, Mat.24:36. “Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour that you do not expect.”, Mat.24:44.


Be blessed, be well.

 

[Terraphim]

Of course, the above theological proof hinges upon a correct elaboration of Dan.9:27.

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Daniel 9:27

And he shall confirm | a covenant | with many | for week | one | but in the middle | of the week | He shall bring an end to | sacrifice | and offering | and on | the wing | of abominations | shall be one | who makes desolate | and Even until | the consummation | and which is determined | is poured out | on the desolate | -

Correctly elaborated:

And He shall confirm a covenant with many for the single week (but in the middle of the week), [then also] He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering; and [thereafter], on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation (which is determined) is poured out on the desolate.

This first part of this verse, Dan.9:27a, shows that the confirmation occurs in the middle of the 70th week, that is during the Jewish religious year of 29AD, which begins on Nisan 1. That is when Jesus overcame the temptations of Satan on the third day; that is, by the power of the new dispensation of Holy Spirit, which descended upon Him two days earlier. By demonstrating how one may overcome the temptations of Satan, He confirmed that He was the Messiah of the new covenant.

The second part of this verse, Dan.9:27b, discusses the second abomination of desolation, the desolation of the Temple by the Roman general Titus in 70AD. This is the verse of which Jesus spoke, in Mat.24:15/ Mar.13:14. The first abomination of desolation is mentioned in Dan.11:31, which was in reference to the abominations committed in the Temple by Antiochus Epiphanies. These two events were both desecrations of the Temple, so the terms "first" and second" are not used in the scriptures. The desolation of the Jewish people during the diaspora then occurred, until the consummation of the Nazi holocaust. Because the consummation was predetermined of God, the reign of Adolf Hitler was not cut short by attempts such as the strange failure of the Valkyrie operation. Though there is probably more to it, I think that the main reason that God's people had to endure the full length of time unto the determined consummation was because it was by means of the dispersion of God's people that the knowledge of the glory of God was disseminated throughout the world, though there is much misunderstanding.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[Terraphim]

The four living creatures of Rev.4:7, the Lion, the Calf, the Man, and the Eagle, are the 4 signs of the zodiac which occupy the middle third position of each quadrant, and such that they form an x, like a cross when rotated, and like a quatro-halo. Starting with the lower right quadrant, and ordering the quadrants in the clockwise direction (charted reverse zodiac), the middle sign of each quadrant is Leo, Taurus, Aquarius, and Scorpio. The first three signs correspond to the first three living creatures, but the last does not, at least initially.

Scorpio borders on Ophiuchus (pronounced oh-FEE-uk-us) the snake handler (or tamer), which sign is not included in the monthly forward zodiac (charted counterclockwise). In the reverse zodiac (charted clockwise) it is included, however, and so it merges with Scorpio in the forward zodiac to provide the higher aspects of Scorpio, which are the snake and the eagle. The relationship of the eagle and the snake comes from the fact that snakes are one of the prey species of eagles, such that snakes are carried off into the sky by eagles. The idea of ascendance is thereby conveyed, which is related to the ascending way of human spiritual transformation. The eagle is like a snake handler, as it grabs the snake in its talons. So, Scorpio relates to a snake lifted into the sky by an eagle, even as the constellation Scorpius is merged with the constellation Ophiuchus in the charted forward zodiac.

The scorpion, the snake, and the Eagle, are the primary symbols of spiritual ascendance, as they relate to the 1st, 4th, and 7th estates of the primary septum. In the 4th estate, the snake relates to Leo the lion, that is, the winged Lion, the Leviathan, the dragon, the snake. In the 5th estate, Taurus the bull is the Calf, the Behemoth. In the 6th estate, Aquarius the water-bearer is the Man. In the 7th estate, the sign of Scorpio includes Ophiuchus to become the Eagle (the snake handler), and so the symbol of the scorpion is religated to the 1st estate, and the symbol of the snake is religated to the 4th estate, to convey the idea of ascendance.

That leaves the 2nd and 3rd estates without signs. The signs for these two estates must be on the ecliptic as well, and the placement of the signs in the zodiac must make sense, and the signs must bear relevance to the nature of the estates which they represent.

The part of the spiritual regeneration which occurs in the 2nd estate, during the 2nd Day, is concerned with the Covering of the Spirit:
Day 2) The Day of Redemption, the Heb. Shekinah Yekara:
The water baptism; which is unto the Covering of the (Immersive) Baptism of the Holy...Fire,
That Shekinah glory (of the brightness of the Father's back) which dwells in rest,
That’s for the redemption from God's wrath, by the Yekara cost of expiation,
That’s of the Baptism of the Spirit, in His Infinite love, for our forensic justification.

The sign which best conveys the idea of Covering is Cancer the crab, because of the shell, and because crabs burrow. Also, crabs turn red when heated in fire. Cancer follows Leo in the charted reverse zodiac.

The part of the spiritual regeneration which occurs in the 3rd estate, during the 3rd Day, is concerned with the Infilling of the Spirit:
Day 3) The Day of the Lord, the Heb. Shekinah Memra:
The body and blood communion; which is unto the Infilling of the Communion of the Son,
That Shekinah glory (of the brightness of the Son's face) which dwells in rest,
That’s for the Memra voice of command of the Son, as He announces one’s adoption,
That’s of the Communion of the Spirit, in His Manifest being, for our shared glorification.

Capricorn follows Aquarius in the charted reverse zodiac, and it is opposite Cancer. Capricorn is the sign that best conveys the idea of Infilling, as it is the sea-goat, and though it is an earth sign, it is an animal that dwells in water. Further, the infilling of communion is further celebrated by the giving and receiving of food and gifts during the Christmas season, which is during Capricorn.

So, we have a list of seven signs and symbols which correlate to the seven estates of the first septum.
1) Ophiuchus (Scorpio); scorpion.
2) Cancer the crab.
3) Capricorn the sea-goat; sea-horse.
4) Leo the lion; winged Lion, dragon, Leviathan, wyrm, worm, serpent, snake.
5) Taurus the bull; Calf, Behemoth.
6) Aquarius the water-bearer, Man.
7) Scorpio (Ophiuchus); Eagle.

Notice that the last shall be first, and the first shall be last, Mat.20:16/ Mar.9:35/ Luk.13:30, as a reminder that the brethren should not lord it over each other, Mat.20:25, as do the children of pride in the world.

Further, there is another symbol which is associated with Scorpio, which is the Phoenix, that is the fire-bird that is reborn out of the ashes. This is not the rebirth of basic faith, or the rebirth that is the completion of the regeneration of the spirit body, which are the 1st and 4th estates. Rather, the symbol of the Phoenix refers to the rebirth that is the completion of one’s physical incarnations, which is the Translation. The foundation at which this appears to occur requires some explanation.

The 28 heavens, minus the 4 hells, are 24 heavens. The 24 heavens are reflected, 12+12; as above, so below. That is why the four visions of the regeneration are from the top down, as we go up. That is, the vision of the Power (the anointing), the vision of the back of the Father (the immersive baptism of holy fire), the vision of the Son (the Manifestation), and the vision of the Holy Spirit body (the hope of the beloved double portion). So, even as the 28 heavens are divided into sevens, 7+7+7+7, the first 24 heavens are divided in two, 12+12. The first 12 heavens are called the New Jerusalem. In the second 12 heavens, the top three heavens are inhabited by the Power, the Father, and the Son, so there are 9 heavens left which are inhabited by created beings, and this is called the City of God. A menorah may be of 7 or 9 candles, which represent the first 7 or last 9 heavens. Count the letters, as follows.

NEWJERUSALEM=12
CITYOFGOD=9

ADONAIS=7
ELOLAMS=7
ELOHIMS=7
ELELYON=7

LYON is the four hells (below, in the circle of justice), as the Devil goes about as a roaring lion, 1Pe.5:8, as with the children of pride, who are the hellions. The hells as well as the heavens are juxtaposed, as we live both physically and spiritually, Mat.10:28/ Eph.2:5,6.

One perspective is that the Translation occurs as one spiritually ascends above the New Jerusalem, which would reserve the entirety of the City of God for those who no longer must transmigrate. This is the12/9 Translational perspective. Another perspective is that the Translation occurs after one spiritually ascends above the first two septums, which would reserve the third septum for those who no longer must transmigrate. This is the 14/7 Translational perspective.

The book of Job relates that Job said, “theses ten times you have reproached me”, Job 19:3, ostensibly in reply to Bildad the Shuhite, though it appears to be a veiled reference to the test to which God had put him. If Job was put down from the end of the 14th estate to the end of the 4th estate, then the life of his spirit body would have been preserved, as God stipulated that his life must be preserved, Job 2:6. It appears then, that the 14/7 Translational perspective is the correct position. This Translation point would mean that the first 2 foundations of the City of God would be reserved for incarnate transmigrants, and the last 7 foundations would be reserved for discarnate non-transmigrants. This arrangement would provide for the first two foundations of the City of God to be for a preparation period, and a transition period.

So, the list of estates, which are symbolized by the sign of Scorpio, are limited to;
1) the scorpion
4) the snake
7) the Eagle
15) the Phoenix

Psa.19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[Terraphim]

Spellcheck for post #125: thief not theif.
Post #135: the second 7+62 was mistakenly written as 70+62.
Spellcheck for Post #138: these not theses.

It is interesting to note that the x formed by the charted positions of Leo (lower right), Taurus (lower left), Aquarius (upper left), and Scorpio (upper right), form a cross when rotated such that Leo is in the uppermost position. When you add to this the two additional signs for the 2nd and 3rd Estates of the 1st Septum, which are Cancer to the right of Leo on top, and Capricorn to the left of Aquarius on bottom, you then have the likeness of a crucifix, as (the tropic of) Cancer is above and (the tropic of) Capricorn is below, which correspond to the body of the Lord Jesus. For Jesus Christ gave His life as "the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world", Joh.1:29, for all of those who would believe.

Be blessed, be well.

 

[Terraphim]

Now I will integrate the various elements that I have presented, along with a few new elements, into a compendium, or cornerstone, which provides for easy reference (count the capitalized letters, but not the spaces).

The Heaven of Heavens is the;
NEW JERUSALEM CITY OF GOD ETERNAL = 24 Heavens + 4 Hells = 28 Foundations
which is composed of 4 Septums;
ADONAIS ELOLAMS ELOHIMS ELELYON = 28 Foundations / 4 Septums = 7 Generations per Septum,
just as there are;
VISIBLE DAYS OF THE MOON PLUS DARK = 28 heavens, of the lunar cycle,
and as there are about;
25&1/2 PLUS 2&1/2 THOUSAND YEARS = 28 heavens, in solar years, of the axial precession cycle extended to metaphysical completion (round 25,772 up to 26,000 years, then add the 1,000 years of the Devil’s binding from 866-1866AD, and then add the 1,000 non-temporal years of the eternal millennial reign of Jesus Christ, such that there are 28,000 years; and then a day is as a thousand years, such that 28,000 years= 28 days, that is 28 Days, or 28 Heavens).

The period of time of the axial precession is about 25&1/2 thousand years, which is “a time”; the 2 one thousand year periods are “times”, and the approximate rounding-up of the 25&1/2 to 26 thousand year period is 1/2 thousand years, which is “the dividing of time”, of Dan.7:25. The Biblical expression of “a time and times and the dividing of time”, indicates the fact that the brethren of God must continue to suffer varying degrees of the worldly authority of Romanesque style government while we are still incarnate, with the knowledge that worldly government is increasingly overruled from the spiritual realm, from the kingdom of God, to the extent that human government will eventually be largely brought under the control of the united trilateral brethren, Dan.7:26,27.

The “time and times and the dividing of time”, Dan.7:25, relates to the equivalent terms in Revelation, as follows.
1) The Two Witnesses are given a perpetual witness, Rev.11:3.
2) When the time period of the Times of the Gentiles is fulfilled, Luk.21:24, it may be fulfilled by the prevalence of the unified trilateral brethren over worldly government, rather than by the establishment of a third temple, Rev.11:2.
3) The completion of the Second Birth by the concurrent resurrection of the spirit body within the physical bodies takes about 3.5 years (days), as “after” is translated from the Greek word “meta”, Rev.11:11, which also refers to transformation, as in “after [transformation for] three days and a half days”. That refers to the approximately 3.5 years that it takes to complete ones general resurrection, which is occurring throughout history for ascending souls who by the Holy Spirit are Sealed, Covered, and Infilled, and who then enter into the Accepted Generation when they begin to be Indwelt. Metamorphosis describes the process whereby a catarpillar becomes a butterfly, which is why the butterfly (or the moth, Job 4:19/ Isa.51:8, the Behemoth stage of spiritual maturity, which follows after the Leviathan stage) is a symbol of the resurrection. The biological process of metamorphosis cannot be explained by the scientific myth of the False Prophet, Rev.19:20, which states that there is no Spirit life, and that biological life arises solely from random genetic mutation.
4) The government which began as the 1st NT Beast, the HRE/EU, Rev.13.5, may continue even though the souls of the servants of the Beast will suffer incarnate hell, Rev.19:20, as also will the servants of the 2nd NT Beast, the AAE, Rev.13:12. For those servants of the Beast who repent and believe, the prevalence of the united trilateral brethren would provide the framework for their glory and honor, such that they may have glory and honor to bring into the kingdom of God, Rev.21:24. For after the brethren prevail, the true Church that is upon His one shoulder, will then balance the government that is upon His other shoulder, Isa.9:6. This is the primary balance of power, which must be so, for the existence and continuity of true civilization in this precious and fragile world.

The three and a half times, or days, or years, does not refer to a split 70th week, for Daniel’s 70th week was fulfilled from Nisan 26AD to Nisan 33AD, for the Great Tribulation is not an end-time phenomenon, Mat.24:21, but rather the Great Tribulation is the Diaspora, the Dispersion of the Jews, Luk.21:24.

Given the fact that we now understand that there are 28 heavens, in 4 Septums, we need to revisit the Biblical understanding of the application of the grace of Jesus Christ. In Eph.4:1-6 Paul speaks of our common calling into the unity of the faith, and then Paul transitions from that which is common to that which is individual, by using a conjunction, “But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift.”, Eph.4:7. The grace of Jesus Christ is personally applied, according to a personal faith. Further, it is applied according to measure, and the measures are given in scripture. However, God is not a respecter of persons, Act.10:34, such that the measures of grace should vary from person to person. Upon examination it is found that there are four graces which are definite, and there is a fifth grace which is indefinite. Because there are four graces, it may seem that the application of them should follow in the same pattern as for other aspects of the gospel for which there are four elements, such that the four graces should apply to the first four Days, that are the Days of spiritual regeneration. However, the four graces do not follow in this pattern, rather they are applied in a more distributed manner. That is why we must first understand that there are 28 heavens, before we can understand the proper distribution of the four graces.

The Four Graces; 2Co.9:8, are distributed according to diminishing grace, for increasing accountability, Deu.8:5:
1) All Grace, for “sins previously committed”, Rom.3:25.
2) Abundant Grace, 1Ti.1:14/ Mat.18:22, for the 1st Septum of Heavens; 70 x 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, *.
3) Abounding Grace, Rom.6:1-3/ Mat.15:36,37, for the 2nd Septum = 7 x 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, *.
4) Sufficient Grace, 2Co.12:9/ Luk.17:4, for the 3rd Septum = 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, *.
*) And perhaps; Exceeding Grace, 2Co.9:14, following each measure of the first 3 Septums.

End of Part 1