Who were the sons of God in Gen 6?

[for_his_glory]

No, you can't just brush it aside like that. Look at the verse ,which clearly states the seed of the serpent

Genesis 3:15​

“And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

What is seed here?

Eve's seed is our Lord Jesus Christ. While Satan's seed are the children, to the last generation, called the Kenites. Those offspring are born from the sexual union between Eve and Satan [the serpent, and the tree of good and evil]. God is telling us that He will put trouble between Eve's children [through Adam and Seth], and Satan's offspring through Cain, called the Kenites.

It is Jesus Christ that shall bruise the head of Satan, at Christ's return at the second advent; while it was Satan's children the Kenites, [not brother Judah] that bruised the heel of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. This was done when the spikes were driven through Christ's heel, as He hung on the cross to pay the full price for our sins, once and for all.

Most "men of God" acknowledge that Genesis 3:15 is talking about the death of Jesus Christ, when He was nailed to the cross for our sins. They recognize that "seed" is referring to the children of the woman "Eve", yet somehow they just want to spiritualize everything else that happened in the Garden of Eden between Eve and the two men [Satan and Adam]. The "seed" in the Hebrew is called "zirmah", and in the Greek it is "sperma". We in the English call it "sperm", and in Strongs Hebrew Dictionary # 2233; "Posterity, carnally, child, fruitful". Friend, it can't be any clearer. The seed of Satan's "posterity" are the "Kenites", while Adam's posterity is in Christ, and of the pure bloodline through Seth.

The seed in that verse means all that are the children of Satan that follow after him just like we are the children of God and follow after Jesus. Think about it very carefully about this question. Can a spirit, which is what Satan is as all angels are spirit form without a functioning sex organ get any woman pregnant? Why do you ignore Genesis 4:1-2?

 

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[Free]

Worship of what? ,and it has everything to do with the topic , if you have eyes to see .
Please share the context , thx .

You're asking me about something from well over four years ago. Share the context? The context is as I stated: worship, or, to be more precise, public worship in church. Chapter 11 of 1 Cor, and indeed the entire book, is about proper Christian conduct in church, proper worship of God.

While it is difficult to say with certainty who these angels are in 1 Cor 11:10, the most likely understanding is that of heavenly angels, whom the Jews and early church believed, and indeed some (perhaps many) still believe, were present in assemblies during worship. For Paul to suddenly insert the idea of fallen angels makes no sense. That would be all the more strange since he gives no hint that they are fallen angels.

 

[n2thelight]

The seed in that verse means all that are the children of Satan that follow after him just like we are the children of God and follow after Jesus. Think about it very carefully about this question. Can a spirit, which is what Satan is as all angels are spirit form without a functioning sex organ get any woman pregnant? Why do you ignore Genesis 4:1-2?

What does SEED mean ?

Transliteration
zeraʿ
Pronunciation
zeh'-rah

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Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From זָרַע (H2232)
Dictionary Aids
TWOT Reference: 582a
Strong's Info
Strong’s Definitions
זֶרַע zeraʻ, zeh'-rah; from H2232; seed; figuratively, fruit, plant, sowing-time, posterity:—× carnally, child, fruitful, seed(-time), sowing-time.

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KJV Translation Count — Total: 229x
The KJV translates Strong's H2233 in the following manner: seed (221x), child (2x), carnally (with H7902) (2x), carnally (1x), fruitful (1x), seedtime (1x), sowing time (1x).
KJV Translation Count — Total: 229x
The KJV translates Strong's H2233 in the following manner: seed (221x), child (2x), carnally (with H7902) (2x), carnally (1x), fruitful (1x), seedtime (1x), sowing time (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. seed, sowing, offspring
   1. a sowing
   2. seed
   3. semen virile
   4. offspring, descendants, posterity, children
   5. of moral quality
      1. a practitioner of righteousness (fig.)
   6. sowing time (by meton)

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
זֶרַע zeraʻ, zeh'-rah; from H2232; seed; figuratively, fruit, plant, sowing-time, posterity:—× carnally, child, fruitful, seed(-time), sowing-time.

Can't be switched to mean what you want it to. The question you should ask yourself is , why ,and the answer to that is why most don't get Gen 6 .

I mean do you actually really think they ate a piece of fruit ?

 

[n2thelight]

You're asking me about something from well over four years ago. Share the context? The context is as I stated: worship, or, to be more precise, public worship in church. Chapter 11 of 1 Cor, and indeed the entire book, is about proper Christian conduct in church, proper worship of God.

While it is difficult to say with certainty who these angels are in 1 Cor 11:10, the most likely understanding is that of heavenly angels, whom the Jews and early church believed, and indeed some (perhaps many) still believe, were present in assemblies during worship. For Paul to suddenly insert the idea of fallen angels makes no sense. That would be all the more strange since he gives no hint that they are fallen angels.

Can't agree , especially when you put that together with the below

Matthew 24:37 "But as the days of Noe were so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

What was happening back in the day of Noah ? Them dang fallen angels of Gen 6.

Genesis 6:1, 2; "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them," [1] "That the sons of God [the fallen angels] saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." [2]

These angels left their first estate, as Jude writes in Jude 4, and married flesh women of flesh man. From this marriage came the offspring of this evil relationship. These offspring were called; in Strong's Hebrew dictionary # 5303, and 5307, "Nephilim, or the Giants. These angels are created beings, and thus are called the "sons of God".

Now let's zoom back to Paul

II Corinthians 11:3 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."

Do a study on that word beguiled

 

[gordon777]

The sons of God are the same as told in Psalm 82, how the Lord said they are gods, and all are children of the most high, but that, they shall die like men. This is God judging the earth, as it reveals, LOOK AT THE VERY WORDS, so that the Lord through this inherits ALL NATIONS.

Jesus quotes this too, how He called them gods, unto whom the word of God came ( to man)





Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;


It is men that wanted wives of all they chose.

Immediately the Lord was against man, for His Spirit to not always be with strifeful man, as he is only flesh.

The sons of God ( men unto whom the word of God came, who were called gods, but died like men) came to the daughters of men, and they had children, mighty men of old.

God saw that this was the wickedness of man, and saw that all flesh ( man) had corrupted his way upon the earth, and God repented that He had made man.

Th wickedness of man was great in the earth, and every imagination of the thoughts of mans heart was only evil continually.

God chose Noah, ( with the Spirit of Christ in him) and said to Noah, the end of all flesh is come before the Lord, as the earth was filled through violence through men, and God will destroy them with the earth.





Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.




All that had the breath of life died, Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Man, cattle, the creeping thing, and the fowl of the heaven, were destroyed from the earth. ( man was punished for what man had done, and the animals died with man too.)




Genesis 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Genesis 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.





As for angels, they are spirits.

That is why Jesus says to all the men who never believed in Him ( goats) to depart from him, YE CURSED, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels ( these cursed men, these goats, are the devils angels) into everlasting punishment.




Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Matthew 25: 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.




God did not spare the old world, and saved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, to bring in the flood upon the world of the ungodly. ( the angels that sinned cast down to hell, reserved unto judgment.)

God made the old world and also Sodom and Gomorrah, condemned, as Noah moved with fear ( fear of God which is the Spirit of the fear of the Lord.) and Noah became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. ( TO BELIEVE WE SHALL BE SAVED BY BAPTISM OF WATER, WHICH IS THE WATER THAT FLOWED OUT OF THE BELLY OF CHRIST.) and all were made as examples, to those ( men) who should after live ungodly. ( that is why the Lord condemned the world of the ungodly, for the future judgement)






Isaiah 11:2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;



Remember just above, how Jesus says on judgement day to the devil and his angels ( to men who are the goats) for YE CURSED TO DEPART FROM HIM.

2 Peter 2 now continues, ( remember how those examples of the old world of the ungodly was condemned, to be an ensample unto those after who should live ungodly.) that they are CURSED CHILDREN, ( they are the devil and his angels who are cursed with everlasting punishment)

They have forsaken the right way, ( God said they are gods, but they shall die like men, for forsaking the word of God that had come to them.)

This is the angels which kept not their first estate, ( the devil and his angels cursed, which are these same cursed children, which have forsaken the right way and gone astray, the goats to be punished with everlasting punishment and fire.)

They are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire, likewise these filthy dreamers today, defile the flesh, despise dominion and speak evil of the Lords dignities.





2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

 

[Free]

Can't agree , especially when you put that together with the below

Matthew 24:37 "But as the days of Noe were so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

What was happening back in the day of Noah ? Them dang fallen angels of Gen 6.

Genesis 6:1, 2; "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them," [1] "That the sons of God [the fallen angels] saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." [2]

These angels left their first estate, as Jude writes in Jude 4, and married flesh women of flesh man. From this marriage came the offspring of this evil relationship. These offspring were called; in Strong's Hebrew dictionary # 5303, and 5307, "Nephilim, or the Giants. These angels are created beings, and thus are called the "sons of God".

You're making connections where there are none and completely divorcing 1 Cor 11:10 from it's clear and plain context without any justification for doing so, other than you want to make it fit the heretical Serpent Seed doctrine.

Then, we must look at the context of Matthew 24:37, which you have also completely ignored:

Mat 24:36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Mat 24:37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark,
Mat 24:39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.
Mat 24:41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.
Mat 24:42 Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. (ESV)

Fallen angels have absolutely nothing to do with what Jesus is talking about in regards to the days of Noah. He very clearly explains what he means in verses 38 and 39. The whole context is of his second coming and his point is that the world will be carrying on with life, catching many unaware.

"Sons of God" are not fallen angels. Jude 4 says nothing about fallen angels.

Now let's zoom back to Paul

II Corinthians 11:3 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."

Do a study on that word beguiled

"Beguiled" is exapatao, and means "to deceive" or "beguile." Here is all its uses in the NT (all ESV):

Rom 7:11 For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me.

Rom 16:18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

1Co 3:18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.

2Co 11:3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

To believe that in one verse, because it is speaking of Eve, it refers to something sexual (if that is where you're going with this), is utterly perverse and a twisting of Scripture. This is where the use in Romans 16:18 becomes very relevant:

Rom 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (ESV)

 

[gordon777]

Then, we must look at the context of Matthew 24:37, which you have also completely ignored:

Mat 24:36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Mat 24:37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark,
Mat 24:39 and they were unaware until the flood came and SWEPT THEM ALL AWAY, SO WILL BE THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN.
Mat 24:40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.
Mat 24:41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.
Mat 24:42 Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. (ESV)

Fallen angels have absolutely nothing to do with what Jesus is talking about in regards to the days of Noah. He very clearly explains what he means in verses 38 and 39. The whole context is of his second coming and his point is that the world will be carrying on with life, catching many unaware.

The comparison between the days of Noah and the day of the Son of man, is exactly the same in every detail, it was not many that were caught unaware by the flood, it was ALL.

If you are gonna compare, why cant you even do that correctly?




2 Peter 2:5 And SPARED NOT THE OLD WORLD, BUT SAVED NOAH the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2 Peter 2:7 And DELIVERED JUST LOT, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

 

[Free]

The comparison between the days of Noah and the day of the Son of man, is exactly the same in every detail, it was not many that were caught unaware by the flood, it was ALL.

If you are gonna compare, why cant you even do that correctly?




2 Peter 2:5 And SPARED NOT THE OLD WORLD, BUT SAVED NOAH the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2 Peter 2:7 And DELIVERED JUST LOT, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Did I not do that correctly? Jesus says:

Mat 24:38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark,
Mat 24:39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. (ESV)

Two questions:

1) Who is "they" referring to?
2) Was Noah and his family among the "they" that "were unaware" and were swept away?

 

[n2thelight]

You're making connections where there are none and completely divorcing 1 Cor 11:10 from it's clear and plain context without any justification for doing so, other than you want to make it fit the heretical Serpent Seed doctrine.

Then, we must look at the context of Matthew 24:37, which you have also completely ignored:

Mat 24:36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Mat 24:37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark,
Mat 24:39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Mat 24:40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.
Mat 24:41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.
Mat 24:42 Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. (ESV)

Fallen angels have absolutely nothing to do with what Jesus is talking about in regards to the days of Noah. He very clearly explains what he means in verses 38 and 39. The whole context is of his second coming and his point is that the world will be carrying on with life, catching many unaware.

"Sons of God" are not fallen angels. Jude 4 says nothing about fallen angels.


"Beguiled" is exapatao, and means "to deceive" or "beguile." Here is all its uses in the NT (all ESV):

Rom 7:11 For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me.

Rom 16:18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

1Co 3:18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.

2Co 11:3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

To believe that in one verse, because it is speaking of Eve, it refers to something sexual (if that is where you're going with this), is utterly perverse and a twisting of Scripture. This is where the use in Romans 16:18 becomes very relevant:

Rom 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (

Paul introduced Eve into this , not me.

For your first point on 1 Corinth 11 . Question, why did Paul mention the angels ?

Now let's go to Matthew 24 ,and just so you know ,I do have a good grasp on it.

What may I ask of significance happening during the time of Noah ?

Will answer it for ya , it was the angels of Gen 6, the reason for the flood , guess you ignore that as well .

Jude will put this in perspective , unless you chose not to include this as well

Jude 6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The only habitation for any angel is heaven, and in defiance of God they left heaven and came to this earth. "Habitation" in the Greek tongue is "Oiketerion, oy-kay-tey-ree-on, a place of residence."

What do you think they did when they came ?Bingo ,it's told in Gen 6

Now let's look at beguiled, as you left one of the meanings out, which connects what happened in the Garden


Strong’s Definitions
ἐξαπατάω exapatáō, ex-ap-at-ah'-o; from G1537 and G538; to seduce wholly:—beguile, deceive.

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KJV Translation Count — Total: 5x
The KJV translates Strong's G1818 in the following manner: deceive (4x), beguile (1x).
KJV Translation Count — Total: 5x
The KJV translates Strong's G1818 in the following manner: deceive (4x), beguile (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. to deceive

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ἐξαπατάω exapatáō, ex-ap-at-ah'-o; from G1537 and G538; to seduce wholly:—beguile, deceive.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon [?] (Jump to Scripture Index)
STRONGS G1818:
ἐξαπατάω, -ῶ; 1 aorist ἐξηπάτησα; 1 aorist passive participle feminine ἐξαπατηθεῖσα; (εξ- strengthens the simple verb [cf. ἐκ, VI. 6]), to deceive: Romans 7:11; Romans 16:18; 1 Corinthians 3:18; 2 Corinthians 11:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; passive 1 Timothy 2:14 [L T Tr WH]. (From Homer down; twice in the O. T. viz. Exodus 8:29; Susanna 56.)

And you still refuse to answer the question, who is the seed of the serpent ,from not my word but that of scripture ?

Genesis 3:15 "And I [God] will put enmity between thee [Satan] and the woman [Eve], and between thy seed [the Kenites] and her Seed [Jesus Christ]; It [Christ] shall bruise thy [Satan's] head, and thou [Satan] shalt bruise His [Christ's] heel."

Who is the seed , do you not wanna see, refuse to see , or just can't see ?

 

[n2thelight]

Did I not do that correctly? Jesus says:

Mat 24:38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark,
Mat 24:39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. (ESV)

Two questions:

1) Who is "they" referring to?
2) Was Noah and his family among the "they" that "were unaware" and were swept away?

1) Refers to those outside the Ark
2) No

 

[Free]

Paul introduced Eve into this , not me.

For your first point on 1 Corinth 11 . Question, why did Paul mention the angels ?

Already gave the most likely answer--heavenly angels, whom the Jews and early church believed were present in assemblies during worship--although ultimately we cannot say for sure. What we can be sure of though is that for Paul to suddenly insert the idea of fallen angels makes no sense. That would be all the more strange since he gives no hint that they are fallen angels. Again, the context is that of corporate worship.

Now let's go to Matthew 24 ,and just so you know ,I do have a good grasp on it.

What may I ask of significance happening during the time of Noah ?

Will answer it for ya , it was the angels of Gen 6, the reason for the flood , guess you ignore that as well .

Then, no, you don't have a good grasp on Matthew 24. You're reading into the text, just as you do with Gen 3:15. Jesus clearly states what he means by "as were the days of Noah." It has absolutely nothing to do with fallen angels. That, too, is to read into the text something that isn't there.

Jude will put this in perspective , unless you chose not to include this as well

Jude 6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The only habitation for any angel is heaven, and in defiance of God they left heaven and came to this earth. "Habitation" in the Greek tongue is "Oiketerion, oy-kay-tey-ree-on, a place of residence."

What do you think they did when they came ?Bingo ,it's told in Gen 6

Once again, you're reading something into the text that isn't there. There is nothing that I choose not to include; it's that there is absolutely no reason to believe any of those passages are referring to the sexual relations of fallen angels. That is for the naive and deceived to read into the text.

In fact, there is absolutely no reason to believe that angels are even capable of sexual relations with people. It would mean that spirits are capable of creating their own ability to conceive. But only God can create such an ability, and he did so only for humans.

Now let's look at beguiled, as you left one of the meanings out, which connects what happened in the Garden


Strong’s Definitions
ἐξαπατάω exapatáō, ex-ap-at-ah'-o; from G1537 and G538; to seduce wholly:—beguile, deceive.

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KJV Translation Count — Total: 5x
The KJV translates Strong's G1818 in the following manner: deceive (4x), beguile (1x).
KJV Translation Count — Total: 5x
The KJV translates Strong's G1818 in the following manner: deceive (4x), beguile (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. to deceive

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ἐξαπατάω exapatáō, ex-ap-at-ah'-o; from G1537 and G538; to seduce wholly:—beguile, deceive.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon [?] (Jump to Scripture Index)
STRONGS G1818:
ἐξαπατάω, -ῶ; 1 aorist ἐξηπάτησα; 1 aorist passive participle feminine ἐξαπατηθεῖσα; (εξ- strengthens the simple verb [cf. ἐκ, VI. 6]), to deceive: Romans 7:11; Romans 16:18; 1 Corinthians 3:18; 2 Corinthians 11:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; passive 1 Timothy 2:14 [L T Tr WH]. (From Homer down; twice in the O. T. viz. Exodus 8:29; Susanna 56.)

Interesting, isn't it, that not one version translates the word as "seduce" as you want it to. In every instance it is translated as "deceive" or "deceived." Again, why, in one instance in the NT should it refer to seduction, just because Eve is mentioned? Other lexicons simply have the meaning as deceived, which makes sense since it comes from two Greek words, ek ("out of, from, by, away from") and apatao ("to cheat, beguile, deceive").

I suspect that Strong's is referring to an older understanding of "to seduce wholly" that debased minds think of as referring only to sexual seduction. Even then, Strong's still says the proper translation is "beguile" or "deceive." Here, from Merriam-Webster as two other meanings of "seduce":

1. to persuade to disobedience or disloyalty
2. to lead astray usually by persuasion or false promises

And that is precisely what happened.

And you still refuse to answer the question, who is the seed of the serpent ,from not my word but that of scripture ?

Genesis 3:15 "And I [God] will put enmity between thee [Satan] and the woman [Eve], and between thy seed [the Kenites] and her Seed [Jesus Christ]; It [Christ] shall bruise thy [Satan's] head, and thou [Satan] shalt bruise His [Christ's] heel."

Who is the seed , do you not wanna see, refuse to see , or just can't see ?

The seed of the Satan are all those who do evil--fallen man and fallen angels. The seed of Eve, in this verse, refers specifically to Christ.

Note what is and isn't said:

Gen 3:15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” (ESV)

The offspring from Eve is not the offspring of Satan; they are mutually exclusive. There is no mention of "their offspring."

Gen 4:1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.”(ESV)

Doesn't get any clearer than that--Cain was the offspring of Adam and Eve.

The whole point of the narrative is that man disobeyed and rebelled against God, because they deceived by the lies of Satan. That is the whole reason behind the need for Christ's death and resurrection. If you truly believe this serpent seed doctrine, then you believe a different gospel.

 

[Terraphim]

The sons of God in Genesis 6 are men of the line of Seth.
The Nephilim are a cross-breed race of humans, not fallen angels.
Further, there probably was an ancient antediluvian annihilation.
And much more. This is essential reading.

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[n2thelight]

Already gave the most likely answer--heavenly angels, whom the Jews and early church believed were present in assemblies during worship--although ultimately we cannot say for sure. What we can be sure of though is that for Paul to suddenly insert the idea of fallen angels makes no sense. That would be all the more strange since he gives no hint that they are fallen angels. Again, the context is that of corporate worship.

I really don't care what the early Church , perse ,only His Word , why would it make no sense ,you think he just inserted that for the heck of it ? Because of the angels should give you a really strong hint

Then, no, you don't have a good grasp on Matthew 24. You're reading into the text, just as you do with Gen 3:15. Jesus clearly states what he means by "as were the days of Noah." It has absolutely nothing to do with fallen angels. That, too, is to read into the text something that isn't there.


Once again, you're reading something into the text that isn't there. There is nothing that I choose not to include; it's that there is absolutely no reason to believe any of those passages are referring to the sexual relations of fallen angels. That is for the naive and deceived to read into the text.

In fact, there is absolutely no reason to believe that angels are even capable of sexual relations with people. It would mean that spirits are capable of creating their own ability to conceive. But only God can create such an ability, and he did so only for humans.

I'm seriously pretty good on Matt 24 ,do you not understand who were taking the daughters of man ?
Let's go to Gen 6 , and see exactly what was happening ,and why it was referenced in Matt 24

Genesis 6:1 "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,"

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Why you don't see the connection is beyond me, What did Matt 24 say?

Matthew 24:38 "For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,"

I mean you really don't see that ? If not, IMO you are blinded for a reason and I can't judge , but still gonna drop this here that maybe others will see.

As for the angels being able to have sex, scripture says they did ,also why is Cain's genealogy not with Adam ?

Interesting, isn't it, that not one version translates the word as "seduce" as you want it to. In every instance it is translated as "deceive" or "deceived." Again, why, in one instance in the NT should it refer to seduction, just because Eve is mentioned? Other lexicons simply have the meaning as deceived, which makes sense since it comes from two Greek words, ek ("out of, from, by, away from") and apatao ("to cheat, beguile, deceive").

I suspect that Strong's is referring to an older understanding of "to seduce wholly" that debased minds think of as referring only to sexual seduction. Even then, Strong's still says the proper translation is "beguile" or "deceive." Here, from Merriam-Webster as two other meanings of "seduce":

1. to persuade to disobedience or disloyalty
2. to lead astray usually by persuasion or false promises

And that is precisely what happened.


The seed of the Satan are all those who do evil--fallen man and fallen angels. The seed of Eve, in this verse, refers specifically to Christ.

Note what is and isn't said:

Gen 3:15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” (ESV)

The offspring from Eve is not the offspring of Satan; they are mutually exclusive. There is no mention of "their offspring."

Gen 4:1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.”(ESV)

Doesn't get any clearer than that--Cain was the offspring of Adam and Eve.

The whole point of the narrative is that man disobeyed and rebelled against God, because they deceived by the lies of Satan. That is the whole reason behind the need for Christ's death and resurrection. If you truly believe this serpent seed doctrine, then you believe a different gospel.

Yes Eve was deceived ,and just like it happened then , it will happen again just as Matt 24 says it will .

Why were giants born to those people if it was just the line of Seth ?

Do you even understand why it was done .

I asked who was the seed of the serpent , now I ask who was the seed of the woman

Oh let's go to Gen 4

Genesis 4:1 "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord."

Eve was in a period of innocence here. In the Hebrew text it states; "ish eth Yehovah". This literal version translates, "with the help of Yehovah".

Genesis 4:2 "And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground."

It's strange that Cain would draw the duties which Adam was created for. The word "again" in the Hebrew text was "Yacaph", #3254 in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary; "to continue, conceive again, to continue to do the same thing." What happens when a woman gives birth to one child, and "Continues to do the same thing" that she is doing? Of course, she has twins. These are not identical twins that Eve bare, for they had two different fathers; as we saw in the study of chapter three.
These were not identical twins, born in the same bag of water, but paternal twins, born in separate bags of water, and with two different fathers. They were conceived at two separate conceptions. There is no great mystery in that conception. So we see then that Eve continued in labor with her two twins.

Said it once and shall say again , you need to ask yourself why this happened instead of did it .

Heck may as well keep going , let's zoom to Job

Job 2:1 "And again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord."

Who are these son's of God ?

 

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I really don't care what the early Church , perse ,only His Word

Not sure what you're saying here, exactly, but I know you don't care about the early church or the history of orthodox Christian teaching. That is very much a part of the problem. It results in you taking things out of context and making connections where there are none. We are never to ignore the cultural and historical contexts of Scripture, nor the writings and beliefs of the Church from the earliest times up until now. It's all there for our learning and benefit.

, why would it make no sense ,you think he just inserted that for the heck of it ? Because of the angels should give you a really strong hint

Please read what I wrote: for Paul to insert the idea of fallen angels, especially without mentioning they are fallen angels, into a passage about corporate worship, makes no sense.

I'm seriously pretty good on Matt 24 ,

You are inserting meaning into the text that isn't there. Jesus makes clear what he is talking about.

do you not understand who were taking the daughters of man ?
Let's go to Gen 6 , and see exactly what was happening ,and why it was referenced in Matt 24

Genesis 6:1 "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,"

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Why you don't see the connection is beyond me, What did Matt 24 say?

Matthew 24:38 "For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,"

I mean you really don't see that ? If not, IMO you are blinded for a reason and I can't judge , but still gonna drop this here that maybe others will see.

See what? Jesus's very clear and plain point is that people were living life, oblivious to their impending doom in the flood, and so it will be when he returns. That's it, that's all.

As for the angels being able to have sex, scripture says they did ,also why is Cain's genealogy not with Adam ?

Nowhere does Scripture say that angels are capable of having sex, never mind actually being able to procreate, and then especially with humans.

Yes Eve was deceived ,and just like it happened then , it will happen again just as Matt 24 says it will .

Why were giants born to those people if it was just the line of Seth ?

Why were they giants? The Bible doesn't say; it just says that they were. To think that they were giants because angles had sex with women, is to add conjecture on top of conjecture. Not only is there no reason to believe that angels are even capable of procreating with women, there is no reason to believe the result must be giants.

Do you even understand why it was done .

I asked who was the seed of the serpent , now I ask who was the seed of the woman

Oh let's go to Gen 4

Genesis 4:1 "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord."

Eve was in a period of innocence here. In the Hebrew text it states; "ish eth Yehovah". This literal version translates, "with the help of Yehovah".

Genesis 4:2 "And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground."

It's strange that Cain would draw the duties which Adam was created for. The word "again" in the Hebrew text was "Yacaph", #3254 in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary; "to continue, conceive again, to continue to do the same thing." What happens when a woman gives birth to one child, and "Continues to do the same thing" that she is doing? Of course, she has twins. These are not identical twins that Eve bare, for they had two different fathers; as we saw in the study of chapter three.
These were not identical twins, born in the same bag of water, but paternal twins, born in separate bags of water, and with two different fathers. They were conceived at two separate conceptions. There is no great mystery in that conception. So we see then that Eve continued in labor with her two twins.

Said it once and shall say again , you need to ask yourself why this happened instead of did it .

Why what happened? God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply, and so they did. Adam and Eve procreated, with their first children being Cain and Able. That is the simple and clear meaning.

Heck may as well keep going , let's zoom to Job

Job 2:1 "And again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord."

Who are these son's of God ?

In Job, it seems likely to be referring to angels. But just because that phrase refers to angels in one verse or book, doesn't mean that in every instance it refers to the same. Who are the sons of God in Deut 32:8?

The sons of God in Gen 6 are godly men, from the line of Seth.

 

[n2thelight]

Why what happened? God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply, and so they did. Adam and Eve procreated, with their first children being Cain and Able. That is the simple and clear meaning.

That's your first mistake in scripture , like right from the beginning . God did not tell Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply , He told the males and females to do that before Adam was even formed , and of course before Eve came along

 

[Episcopius]

Why would “line of Seth” cause giants to be produced?

 

[n2thelight]

Why would “line of Seth” cause giants to be produced?

My thoughts as well

 

[Free]

Why would “line of Seth” cause giants to be produced?

Firstly, where does the Bible say that the offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men are the giants? Secondly, even if it did, why does that automatically mean that the sons of God cannot be men? Maybe Seth was just a big guy and children are often taller than their parents, and so it goes down the line.

 

[Free]

That's your first mistake in scripture , like right from the beginning . God did not tell Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply , He told the males and females to do that before Adam was even formed , and of course before Eve came along

He told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. Gen 2 is a detailed expansion of Gen 1:27-28, not an addition to it. To say that others were formed before Adam and Eve, is to deny pretty much everything the Bible says about them:

Luk 3:38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. (The lineage of Christ, that offspring of Eve that would bruise the head of the serpent.)

Act 17:26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place,

It would also create a lot of problems theologically, such as in regard to the origin of sin in mankind having come through Adam:

Rom_5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—
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Rom 5:14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
Rom_5:15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
Rom_5:16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.
Rom_5:17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
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Rom_5:19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

1Co 15:45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1Ti 2:13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve;

The biblical teaching is that Adam and Eve were the first male and female humans, told by God to be fruitful and multiply, and through whom sin and death came.