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Genesis 6:4
Indicates that the union of Sons of God and Daughters of Men led to Giants.
Indicates that the union of Sons of God and Daughters of Men led to Giants.
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Who were the sons of God in Gen 6?
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Nope ,can't agree , Gen 1 did not need a recap .
"I will put enmity between your seed and her seed. He will bruise your head, and you will bruise his heel."
The seed of the woman is Christ. Agree?
The serpent bruising the heel of Christ is the crucifixion. Agree?
So then, the head of the serpent is the sinful nature, which was bruised by Christ. Agree?
Therefore, if the head of the serpent is the sinful nature, then it shows how mankind in Gen. 6 gave into it, because it was not yet bruised by Christ. So only a select few were preserved for God as carriers of the seed of the woman. Those carriers were the prophets who had the spirit of Christ in them (Noah and Shem) - 1 Pet. 1:11.
Furthermore, since the NT is progressive revelation over the OT, we learn who the "sons of God" are - the true believers in Christ who have the Spirit of Christ in them (John 1, Luke 3, etc.). So the "sons of God" in Gen. 6 are those who worshipped the only true God, that is, the sons of the believers listed in the genealogy in Gen. 5.
Incidentally, it says the Nephilim "were there when... and also afterward," therefore they could not have been the offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men. Sons of God were believers, daughters of men were pagans. It's a spiritual distinction.
Incidentally, the book of Enoch was written after the exile, around 150-300 BC, according to scholars who analyzed the style and vocabulary. I deem it to be fiction, but containing some truth (like "Moby Dick").
Why did God need to create two additional people, why not just take two of the people he supposedly created already and put them in the Garden of Eden? Why is it that God brings all the animals to Adam to name, and when no suitable helper is found, he creates Eve, from Adam no less? Why do you think it goes into this much detail compared to Gen 1:28? Why does Genesis 1:31 say that "God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day" (ESV), and Genesis 2:1-3 say that God was finished creating, if he wasn't actually finished creating?
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.
Gen 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation. (ESV)
Then, we see Gen 2:4:
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. (ESV)
In case that isn't clear enough:
Gen 2:4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. (NIV)
Gen 2:4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, (NKJV)
In other words, Gensis 2:4 suddenly has us looking back to when the heavens and the earth were created. What follows that verse then, in the account of the creation of Adam and Eve, is not another creation. It's to focus specifically on the special creation of humans in the image of God, in day six.
Both Jesus and John the Baptist recognize Satan's seed by calling them " brood of vipers".
From the beginning they are not separated by bloodline.
The difference between Gen1 and Gen2 is because the two accounts were written for different purposes. Gen1 is a cosmogenesis, and Gen2 is a history. In Gen1, the activity of man is not the focus, and in Gen2, the activity of man is the central theme. So, Gen1 is not primarily an account of an earlier man-like civilization, and Gen2 is an account of man. In Gen1:2 the proper translation of "was" is "became", as in "the earth became without form", which along with
Isa 14:17 Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, Who did not open the house of his prisoners?'
indicates that an ancient antediluvian annihilation occurred, as evidence indicates.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law...
Perishing without Law means that one is not condemned by the Law.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
As for why giantism occurred as a result of hybridization, it is commonly known among animal breeders that cross-breeds are often larger than the root stock. Hybridization is a much wider combination of genetics, which may produce much greater divergence in the offspring.
Further, though it is thought by some that the completion of the original creation meant that no more work was done, it is possible to understand this verse;
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."
as meaning, in addition to work concerning the plan of salvation, that further creation work has been ongoing.
This has been edited for spelling errors.
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Isa 14:17 Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, Who did not open the house of his prisoners?'
indicates that an ancient antediluvian annihilation occurred, as evidence indicates.
The apparent theological problems are solvable. The ancient people are considered to be a part of the preceding animal day/age, largely due to their mental and emotional inability to prevent their overlords from destroying their civilization and ecosystem. Animals are not capable of sinning. Therefore, sin began with Eve, then Adam, and because Adam was the head of Eve, he is viewed as being responsible for sin. After the Sethite-Cainite/Noddite half-breed Nephilim came, the human race began. Then after the Law came, those who were under the Law began to have sin imputed to them:
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law...
Perishing without Law means that one is not condemned by the Law.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
As for why giantism occurred as a result of hybridization, it is commonly known among animal breeders that cross-breeds are often larger than the root stock. Hybridization is a much wider combination of genetics, which may produce much greater divergence in the offspring.
Further, though it is thought by some that the completion of the original creation meant that no more work was done, it is possible to understand this verse;
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."
as meaning, in addition to work concerning the plan of salvation, that further creation work has been ongoing.
This has been edited for spelling errors.
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Isa 14:17 is about the king of Babylon, and John 5:17 is about spiritual work, not physical creation. John 5:17 is in reference to Jesus' supernatural work of healing, and his statement is applied to that, not to creation of new species. Isa. 14:17 is talking about how God is going to judge the king of Babylon, not about some past event prior to Adam and Eve. You need to carefully examine the context of the scriptures you cite. Cult leaders take scripture out of context and make them mean whatever they want.The difference between Gen1 and Gen2 is because the two accounts were written for different purposes. Gen1 is a cosmogenesis, and Gen2 is a history. In Gen1, the activity of man is not the focus, and in Gen2, the activity of man is the central theme. So, Gen1 is not primarily an account of an earlier man-like civilization, and Gen2 is an account of man. In Gen1:2 the proper translation of "was" is "became", as in "the earth became without form", which along with
Isa 14:17 Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, Who did not open the house of his prisoners?'
indicates that an ancient antediluvian annihilation occurred, as evidence indicates.
The apparent theological problems are solvable. The ancient people are considered to be a part of the preceding animal day/age, largely due to their mental and emotional inability to prevent their overlords from destroying their civilization and ecosystem. Animals are not capable of sinning. Therefore, sin began with Eve, then Adam, and because Adam was the head of Eve, he is viewed as being responsible for sin. After the Sethite-Cainite/Noddite half-breed Nephilim came, the human race began. Then after the Law came, those who were under the Law began to have sin imputed to them:
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law...
Perishing without Law means that one is not condemned by the Law.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
As for why giantism occurred as a result of hybridization, it is commonly known among animal breeders that cross-breeds are often larger than the root stock. Hybridization is a much wider combination of genetics, which may produce much greater divergence in the offspring.
Further, though it is thought by some that the completion of the original creation meant that no more work was done, it is possible to understand this verse;
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."
as meaning, in addition to work concerning the plan of salvation, that further creation work has been ongoing.
This has been edited for spelling errors.
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Thank you for your concern. I am not so much concerned about the opinions of established religion, as I am about presenting a comprehensive understanding of scripture, with the inclusion of the leading of the Holy Spirit, and with the inclusion of mundane evidence.
It is true that the context of Isa14:17 is about the king of Babylon, but the prophet by inspiration and/or ancient record here makes a comparison to Lucifer, who is hereby condemned for the destruction of the ancient antediluvian world.
I did make reference to the usual interpretation of John5:17, and then stated that more may be made of it.
A cult technically means that a group claims to have knowledge that is hidden. There is much knowledge in scripture which is only hidden to the casual reader. Scholars can and do delve much deeper than mainstream religion, and may therefore be viewed by them as being occultic. However, without the work of such scholars, mainstream religion is subject to being twisted into whatever the establishment interests want.
Be blessed, be well.
Yes, without a doubt sons of God was a reference to angels.
All flesh was destroyed except Noah and his family; 8 people on the Ark were preserved.
Yet the Nephilim continued to be produced after the flood.
No mention of Nephilim or sons of God in Noah's genealogy.
Case Closed.
JLB
I agree with you.
I have a lot of thoughts, see them here:
Nephilim Fallen Angels and the Sons of God | End Time News
The Nephilim: Satan's Fallen Angels 1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the LORD said,
endtimenews.net
From above:I agree with you.
I have a lot of thoughts, see them here:
Nephilim Fallen Angels and the Sons of God | End Time News
The Nephilim: Satan's Fallen Angels 1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the LORD said,endtimenews.net
“Nephilim” is a transliteration of the Hebrew, not a translation, which indicates a group or class. It is commonly related to nāpal, meaning “to fall”; thus the Nephilim are considered “the Fallen Ones.” -Mathews, K. A. (1996). Genesis 1-11:26 (Vol. 1A, pp. 335–336). Broadman & Holman Publishers.
So, is a fallen woman a rebel angel?
Are the children of a fallen woman rebel angels as well?
A talented presentation, laden with scholarly quotes, does not make a conclusive case.
A good effort, but it is better to stick close to the biblical text, albeit with well considered perspicacity.
A conclusive case cannot be made, the origins and context of the word are obscure. But I consider the entire context easy to understand.
God denied mankind access to the tree of life, immortality. That pissed them off. They joined Satan's fallen ones against God, conspiring against the Watchers who were sent to counteract the evil ministry of the angels Satan cast down:
3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.
4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. (Rev. 12:3-4 NKJ)
Satan didn't know when the woman's seed (Christ) would come, and his plan was to ruin the image of God in man so the Incarnation of the Son couldn't happen. So he cast his angels down to have sex with women.
And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel." (Gen. 3:15 NKJ)
However, men thought the children of these "marriages" would be immortal, and they weren't. Satan allowed men to think it was because fallen angels (Nephilim) were siring them. So they conspired with the Nephilim to do porn 24/7 before the eyes of the Watchers (sons of God, unfallen angels) and eventually some of them sinned.
While their children were "men of renown" they weren't immortal.
During this time human and demon scientists were modifying the dna of the herbivores God created, transforming them into the violent Dinosaurs we see buried in the flood waters mud. They have corrupted the entire earth with so much violence God decides only a global flood killing them all would cleanse the earth:
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.
13 And God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
(Gen. 6:11-13 NKJ)
The end time will be just like the days of Noah, the Nephilim will return disguised as Extraterrestrials. They will have sex with humans and claim Yahweh God is an extraterrestrial like them. They will deceive the earth thinking that the combined military forces of men and angels can defeat God at Armageddon:
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."
16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
(Rev. 16:13-16 NKJ)
You know (or should know) how that ends up.