WHY DID CHRIST SEND HIS DISCIPLES OUT WITH THE GOOD NEWS?

[donadams]

There was no Tabernacle when Pharisees and Sadducees developed in between the time of Exile and the Advent of Christ. So, there was no authority given to them of God. They took it up themselves. A clue to their heresy and absent authority was two sects: Pharisees and Sadducees. Even their names were a clue to their unauthorized grab at power.
Moses never established Pharisees and Sadducees. There's NOTHING in God's Law about them as a ruling or serving class, for that matter.
The "ism" of Judaism ended when their Temple was destroyed. The Catholic Church has stolen many aspects of Tabernacle worship, from the bread to the altar, to the incense, to the candlesticks, etc., and included it in their practices.

Why then does Christ demand obedience to these who sit in what He calls the “seat of Moses”?

Christ reformed the old covenant into the new and eternal covenant
So there are many similarities and similar practices
Thanks

 

[jeremiah1five]

The power of the spirit had not yet come until Pentecost

Ask These two about it?

Acts 5:5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

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2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

Christ ascended and no king administers his own kingdom they always appoint a prime minister

1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?

4) why did Christ give the keys to Peter (and only to Peter) keys of jurisdictional authority. Isa 22:21-22 why even bother to mention Peter if he is not involved?

Is a confession blessed or a person?
Thanks

The power of the Spirit was WITH God's Chosen people Israel
Like that time, He was a cloud of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night.
Or when He held back the Red Sea.
Or one angel sent by God killed 185,000 Assyrians in one night.
Or when the Spirit raised Christ from the dead.

Israel's form of government is not a monarchy today.
But it will be soon when Christ returns and rules God's enemies with a rod of iron.
From Jerusalem, NOT Rome.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Really? I thought you guys said it was Constantine

The king appointed the ministers and gave them the kingdom and you say you love the king but refuse to accept his kingdom and his ministers that he established and appointed???

Strange anarchy this…

That's what YOU say.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Why then does Christ demand obedience to these who sit in what He calls the “seat of Moses”?

Christ reformed the old covenant into the new and eternal covenant
So there are many similarities and similar practices
Thanks

Christ also required obedience to other Gentile forms of government one lives under as long as there's no conflict with His Word. He told the disciples do as they say not as they do.
And the Catholic heirarchy takes their lead from these Pharisees and Sadducees who sit in Moses' seat?
Christ didn't reform the Old Covenant.
He fulfilled it.
Get it together over there, Donald.

 

[TMal3]

The Church is built on Christ, NOT Peter.

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ 1 Co 10:4.

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 1 Co 3:10–11.

Any questions?

Yes, you're not listening. I said Jesus is the Rock in agreement with you. Jesus also called Peter a rock and said on Peter he would build His church. Both statements are true. That doesn't mean Peter is JESUS THE ROCK

 

[TMal3]

Gee.
A scholar that made an error.
How unusual is that ?
Not very.

No need to be rude. Better would be to address the point, and rebut it directly. Better still would be to recognize all these Scriptures collectively. So let's do it.

1. Jesus is THE ROCK. THE CORNERSTONE. THE FOUNDATION. YES, EVERYONE AGREES.

2. Peter denied Jesus three times like you said. True. Peter was also restored. Also true.

3. Peter's name means "rock." Fact. Jesus noted this and said on this "rock" Peter he would build his church. Fact. To acknowledge this does NOT mean that Peter is JESUS THE ROCK (unless you want to argue that Scripture is contradicting itself, which I assume you're not arguing that way). Jesus is still THE ULTIMATE ROCK. But Jesus also said this about Peter "rock" the first leader of the Church and that's what we see in the book of Acts.

Scripture teaches both. So perhaps we should listen to Scripture.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Now THAT I couldn't say.

Interesting. ???

But a search of my mother's maiden name revealed the name originated in a "Jewish" grotto many, many years ago. Add to that the fact that the twelve tribes were scattered and taken away after they were conquered by Assyria and Babylon north, east, west, and south and most stayed in their new homes never to return to Israel, there is possibility that their offspring were born in these 'strange' lands for centuries. Then when people began to come to America I'm sure these children (half-, quarter, one-fifth, one-eighth, etc.) found new freedoms here in this land. So, only God knows if I am from "Jewish" descent. But, I will say this, every true born believer belongs to spiritual Israel and to one of the natural twelve tribes. Even my calling leaves me to believe I spiritually am from the tribe of Benjamin like Jeremiah the prophet and Saul/Paul.
The 11 disciples/apostles were sent to herald the message from God to His people living scattered across the then-known world that THEIR Messiah/Christ had come in fulfillment of God's Promise to His people. Each apostle had various spiritual gifts, various temperaments, personalities, education, etc., that allowed them to accomplish their command.
Every person baptized into the Body of Christ by God has a place in the Body of Christ with different spiritual gifts, temperaments, personalities, education, etc., to accomplish their call IF indeed they know their place and their spiritual gifts. MANY Christians DO NOT know their place in the Body of Christ NOR their spiritual gifts for lack of knowledge and being in a false church where the spiritual gifts and the Word of God is taught. Due to Christians being taught falsely they are to preach the gospel what they end up being taught to do is mimic and copy the calling of true Christians who know their place in the Body and their calling to preach to someone somewhere.
Paul said, "are we all apostles?" The answer is "NO!"
But preaching is the MOUTH in the Body of Christ and Christians are ALL taught to BE THE MOUTH and preach to people in disobedience to the Lord for their ignorance to the Scripture and the Word of God.
The original command is in Deuteronomy 6:4-5ff. This was a command of God TO and FOR the twelve tribes of Israel. Notice Jesus didn't change the original Law as to WHO Israel was to love to include swine, and dogs, and reprobates who know not the Lord.
Talk about the coming apostasy prophesied before the Lord comes again.
That's some of it - what Christians are being taught today in American churches at the least and churches of the world at the most.

The Old Testament is over? Super! Great!

Agreed.

Now I don't have to have no other gods before me and I can steal and bear false witness and take the Name of the Lord in vain whenever I want without any repercussions!
Hoo-ray!
Thanks for enlightening me! I owe you one!

I don't know where you got that idea.
When the OT ended a new one took its place, and in it we can share with God all that He has for us.
Including the end of the old man of the flesh and the rebirth of the man of the Spirit.
Remission of all past sins.
We get a new, divine nature, and the promise of escapes from every temptation.
We Get His Spirit, and His words.
A whole lot more too.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Things changed? Then Christ destroyed the Law with all the changes you suppose.

No, He fulfilled it, and the prophets too.

The Gospel of Matthew is the most un-chronological gospel of the four.
Do a real study in bibliology to verify that Matthew 5 is indeed before Matthew 22.

No, thanks.

Nothing against Gentiles. I have issue when people say they are Christian, but they are not, and true Christians who are in false churches being taught boo-boo, and Christians who don't obey God to read and study His Word so that they may KNOW EXACTLY how to rightly divide His Word of truth. These are dangerous people and will probably be the first whose sins will cause their love to grow cold before Jesus returns and join antichrist and the false prophet in their false church still to come and think they do God service and kill and persecute true Christians in the end times. Just like they are warming up to do now.

True Christians don't stay in false churches.

 

[Hopeful 2]

The power of the spirit had not yet come until Pentecost

You are making excuses for your "rock" when excuses shouldn't be necessary.

Ask These two about it?
Acts 5:5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

The first of the unregenerated posers.

Christ ascended and no king administers his own kingdom they always appoint a prime minister

Wow...that is the most devilish thing I have read in a long time.

1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

What is your definition of a confession?

2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)
3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?
4) why did Christ give the keys to Peter (and only to Peter) keys of jurisdictional authority. Isa 22:21-22 why even bother to mention Peter if he is not involved?

Is a confession blessed or a person?

See above.
If God needs some man to run the show, He has abrogated His power.
That won't happen.

 

[Hopeful 2]

No need to be rude. Better would be to address the point, and rebut it directly. Better still would be to recognize all these Scriptures collectively. So let's do it.

1. Jesus is THE ROCK. THE CORNERSTONE. THE FOUNDATION. YES, EVERYONE AGREES.

2. Peter denied Jesus three times like you said. True. Peter was also restored. Also true.

3. Peter's name means "rock." Fact. Jesus noted this and said on this "rock" Peter he would build his church. Fact. To acknowledge this does NOT mean that Peter is JESUS THE ROCK (unless you want to argue that Scripture is contradicting itself, which I assume you're not arguing that way). Jesus is still THE ULTIMATE ROCK. But Jesus also said this about Peter "rock" the first leader of the Church and that's what we see in the book of Acts.

Scripture teaches both. So perhaps we should listen to Scripture.

Peter's name meant "stone", not "rock".
The church is not founded on a man, but on the fact that Jesus is the Son of God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes, you're not listening. I said Jesus is the Rock in agreement with you. Jesus also called Peter a rock and said on Peter he would build His church. Both statements are true. That doesn't mean Peter is JESUS THE ROCK

Peter means "little stone" like a pebble.
How is Christ going to build His Church of Peter when Peter is not God and is fallible and sinful.
Christ died for His Church, Peter didn't. Peter betrayed Christ. Denied His.
Study this a little bit more for you are half right.
And half right is a whole lie.

 

[jeremiah1five]

No, He fulfilled it, and the prophets too.

You said, "things changed."
What changed.

True Christians don't stay in false churches.

Yes, they do.
They also are being fed error from their pulpits and when they open their mouths the error shows.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Interesting. ???

Agreed.

I don't know where you got that idea.
When the OT ended a new one took its place, and in it we can share with God all that He has for us.
Including the end of the old man of the flesh and the rebirth of the man of the Spirit.
Remission of all past sins.
We get a new, divine nature, and the promise of escapes from every temptation.
We Get His Spirit, and His words.
A whole lot more too.

"A whole lot more" doesn't include Christians who disobey God and give that which is holy to dog and cast their pearls to swine when they give their holy love to unholy people. When they do that instead of pointing out their sin, they make themselves complicit in their sin for not challenging their sinful lifestyles.
Homosexuality is openly practiced, and Christians do nothing. By Christians sitting on the sidelines and inactive in what's going on in their country they allow sin to run rampant and turn around and ask God to heal their land but they do nothing to be used of God to challenge sin in our country. Instead, they say, "God loves you."
How does a Christian know whose name is in the book of life?
They don't. So going around telling reprobates "God loves you" is a lie and lies are from the devil. He is the father of lies and if a Christian says, "God loves you" or to a heathen, "God bless you," they are the child of the devil and oppose God.
God doesn't love everyone. Only His Church He died for. And no one knows whom God is going to save, so telling a reprobate "God loves you" and giving holy love to an unholy person is ungodly and treasonous to the King.

 

[TMal3]

Peter's name meant "stone", not "rock".
The church is not founded on a man, but on the fact that Jesus is the Son of God.

No, actually, it doesn't. The Greek word for "stone" is "lithos." The Greek word for "rock" is "petra."

"Petra" is a feminine noun in Greek, and is the normal word for rock. "Petros" is the masculine version of the noun and is the Greek name for Peter.

"Thou art Peter [petros, NOT lithos] and on this rock [petra] I will build my church."

"Thou art petros and on this petra I will build my church." It is a characteristic play on words by Jesus.

In Aramaic the play on words is even clearer: "Thou art kephas and on this kephas I will build my church." In Aramaic it's literally the exact, same word. And it's the same meaning in Greek. The only difference is by the rules of Greek grammar, you can't call a man "petra" because that's a feminine noun. You have to use the masculine version "petros."

 

[donadams]

The power of the Spirit was WITH God's Chosen people Israel
Like that time, He was a cloud of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night.
Or when He held back the Red Sea.
Or one angel sent by God killed 185,000 Assyrians in one night.
Or when the Spirit raised Christ from the dead.

Israel's form of government is not a monarchy today.
But it will be soon when Christ returns and rules God's enemies with a rod of iron.
From Jerusalem, NOT Rome.

Not in he new covenant

 

[donadams]

Christ also required obedience to other Gentile forms of government one lives under as long as there's no conflict with His Word. He told the disciples do as they say not as they do.
And the Catholic heirarchy takes their lead from these Pharisees and Sadducees who sit in Moses' seat?
Christ didn't reform the Old Covenant.
He fulfilled it.
Get it together over there, Donald.

Really?

Hebrews 9:10
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

 

[donadams]

You are making excuses for your "rock" when excuses shouldn't be necessary.

The first of the unregenerated posers.

Wow...that is the most devilish thing I have read in a long time.

What is your definition of a confession?

See above.
If God needs some man to run the show, He has abrogated His power.
That won't happen.

No just delegated
You can see it in Jn 4:1-2
1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

Isa 22:21-22 keys belong to the messiah
Matt 16:18-19 keys given to peter

Jesus gives the administration of the kingdom to Peter and the apostles Lk 22:29

Is it Peter’s confession Matt 16:17 or Peter’s person?

Thanks

 

[jeremiah1five]

Not in he new covenant

So, when the King of Israel returns to sit on the throne of David which is in Israel it will be moved to the Vatican in Rome?
Funny.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Really?

Hebrews 9:10
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

And the time of Reformation began with Martin Luther in Germany in 1515.
Thank God you acknowledge the Reformation!
There’s hope for you yet, Donald.

 

[jeremiah1five]

No just delegated
You can see it in Jn 4:1-2
1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

Isa 22:21-22 keys belong to the messiah
Matt 16:18-19 keys given to peter

Jesus gives the administration of the kingdom to Peter and the apostles Lk 22:29

Is it Peter’s confession Matt 16:17 or Peter’s person?

Thanks

Jesus called Peter Satan!
Your first pope is Satan!
Be afraid.
Be very afraid.