WHY DID CHRIST SEND HIS DISCIPLES OUT WITH THE GOOD NEWS?

[Hopeful 2]

What the person does the Holy Spirit goes along also.

You have the cart ahead of the Horse !
Who leads Who?

Swine are the unsaved.

Yes, in a picturesque sort of way.

I’m talking about wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Arminianism is one example.
Christians are taught what sounds orthodox but isn’t.
There are a great deal of heresy in churches out there a baby Christian, even an older one can for a time be deceived.
False teachings that the Church replaced Israel or Peter is the Rock upon which the Church is built, or that there are no more apostles and prophets, or Oneness theology, or Adam was created holy, or that if you don’t speak in tongues you’re not saved, or that Jesus is coming before the tribulation, or that there’s a rapture. All these false teachings come from what seem true church plants but are not.
Just because there is a fellowship with a Christian name doesn't mean God planted that church.
Then there are splits in a fellowship like what happen to the Southern Baptists, or a split in the Reformed church. Every church not planted by God will be rooted up (have problems with dead theology or congregants. If an apostle ("apostolos = sent) or prophet is not involved in the founding of a church fellowship I question that founding.

Better make sure we follow Jesus, and we won't be sucked into false doctrines.
Even some of your list of false doctrines has flaws.

 

[Hopeful 2]

I "want" Scripture to be accurately exegeted and to stop being misunderstood. How many times must I state that I agree with all of you that, YES, JESUS, IS THE ROCK?!!! Every time you or someone else says it I agree with you! Dare I try it again???

YES, JESUS IS THE ROCK, THE CORNERSTONE ON WHICH THE CHURCH IS FOUNDED. EVEN MORE THAN THAT. IT IS HIS CHURCH. IT IS CHRIST'S CHURCH (NOT Peter's or anyone else's).

Not sure how many times I must keep repeating myself, before someone understands that I AGREE!!!

Surely people understand the difference between JESUS =THE ROCK uppercase vs Peter=rock lowercase. Surely people understand that the same words can be used to mean different things. When Jesus said in John "you are gods," he didn't mean we're actually gods and that He is not God. When the Bible calls Israel the "son of God" in the Old Testament it doesn't mean Israel is THE SON OF GOD instead of Christ. And when Jesus called Peter "rock" and said on this "rock I will build MY CHURCH" he wasn't saying Peter was THE ROCK OF AGES like Jesus (Jesus still said "MY CHURCH." He didn't say it was Peter's church).

Israel was called the "son of God" but Jesus is THE SON OF GOD. Both statements are true.

Peter was called the "rock" on which Jesus would build HIS [CHRIST'S] Church. But Jesus is THE ROCK on which the Church is founded. Both statements are true. They mean different things. But both are stated in Scripture.

My bad...
I should have said..."If one wants a church..."

 

[jeremiah1five]

You have the cart ahead of the Horse !
Who leads Who?

Believe me, we all like to say we are led by the Holy Spirit, but in reality that is not the case.

Better make sure we follow Jesus, and we won't be sucked into false doctrines.
Even some of your list of false doctrines has flaws.

You can take my list and post threads on each of them and I’ll be there.

 

[donadams]

Did He breathe life into the apostles when they were already alive?
No. This breathing was symbolic of what was to come on Pentecost.
The Advent of the Holy Spirit.
And as Promised, Christ was ascended to the Father.

Yes the supernatural life of God’s grace the new creation in Christ

"...and the apostles".
This ends your assumption that the church was founded on Peter.

peter is the head of the apostles

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes the supernatural life of God’s grace the new creation in Christ

peter is the head of the apostles

There is no head.
There is no hierarchy.
We are all one in Christ.

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900): 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

AND we are all Abraham’s seed.
Are you Abraham’s seed?

 

[donadams]

There is no head.
There is no hierarchy.
We are all one in Christ.

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900): 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

AND we are all Abraham’s seed.
Are you Abraham’s seed?

You right according to Unity but not Accor to rolls
A husband and wife are equal but have different roles
Husband is the head of the family
Wife is the heart

Very much a hierarchy

Ministerial priesthood totally separated from the royal priesthood of the laity

Ephesians 3:5
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Ministerial priesthood: “apostles & their successors, and those they ordain” (low priests)

With priestly ministry:
Mk 3:14 “ordained”
Jn 15:16 “chosen” “ordained”
Jn 20:21 “sent by Christ with His authority”
Jn 20:23 “power to forgive sins”
Acts 1:8 “anointing with power”
acts 1:15-26 “ministry / bishop”
Acts 2:38-39 “administered sacraments”
acts 14:23 “ordained”
Acts 16:4 “ordained “
Rom 15:16 “minister / sanctify”
1 cor 9:14 “ordained”
1 Tim 2:7 “ordained”
1 Tim 3:1-2 “bishop”
1 Tim 4:14 “priest” “priestly ministry”
Phil 1:1 “bishops deacons”
James 5:14 “anointing with oil”

The ministerial priesthood acts in “the person of Christ” so it is Christ who acts thru them vicariously.
2 cor 2:10 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24


Royal priesthood: “baptized members of Jesus Christ”
1 pet 2:5-9

Apostles have authority over the disciples of the church:

Acts 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.

Priests and the people:

Acts 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

Priests / people

Apostles have authority over the disciples of the church:

Acts 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.

Priests and the people:

Acts 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

Matthew 13:11
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

1 cor 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God. Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. ...

Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Then commanded to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation!

Matt 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Acts 1:8 But ye (apostles) shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Jn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Thanks

 

[jeremiah1five]

You right according to Unity but not Accor to rolls
A husband and wife are equal but have different roles
Husband is the head of the family
Wife is the heart

Very much a hierarchy

Ministerial priesthood totally separated from the royal priesthood of the laity

Ephesians 3:5
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Ministerial priesthood: “apostles & their successors, and those they ordain” (low priests)

With priestly ministry:
Mk 3:14 “ordained”
Jn 15:16 “chosen” “ordained”
Jn 20:21 “sent by Christ with His authority”
Jn 20:23 “power to forgive sins”
Acts 1:8 “anointing with power”
acts 1:15-26 “ministry / bishop”
Acts 2:38-39 “administered sacraments”
acts 14:23 “ordained”
Acts 16:4 “ordained “
Rom 15:16 “minister / sanctify”
1 cor 9:14 “ordained”
1 Tim 2:7 “ordained”
1 Tim 3:1-2 “bishop”
1 Tim 4:14 “priest” “priestly ministry”
Phil 1:1 “bishops deacons”
James 5:14 “anointing with oil”

The ministerial priesthood acts in “the person of Christ” so it is Christ who acts thru them vicariously.
2 cor 2:10 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24


Royal priesthood: “baptized members of Jesus Christ”
1 pet 2:5-9

Apostles have authority over the disciples of the church:

Acts 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.

Priests and the people:

Acts 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

Priests / people

Apostles have authority over the disciples of the church:

Acts 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.

Priests and the people:

Acts 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

Matthew 13:11
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

1 cor 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God. Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. ...

Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Then commanded to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation!

Matt 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Acts 1:8 But ye (apostles) shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Jn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Thanks

Don, husband and wife apply to natural order.
But in spiritual order we in Christ are all equal.

Galatians 3:28 (KJV 1900): 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

You do understand God’s Messiah is both God and man, yes? You understand the human name of Messiah is Jesus and the Deity name is Christ, yes?
There’s a reason why the Holy Spirit mentions “Christ “ Jesus instead of Jesus Christ. That’s because in natural order it is God, Christ, man, woman; but in spiritual matters it is God, Christ, then everyone else thereafter and equal. A woman can be apostle and pastor for those are spiritual offices.
That is the only hierarchy in Christendom.
To change, add, or subtract this order is an inferma or born of hell.
The Catholic Church doesn’t practice inferma or things born in hell, do they?

 

[donadams]

Don, husband and wife apply to natural order.
But in spiritual order we in Christ are all equal.

Galatians 3:28 (KJV 1900): 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

You do understand God’s Messiah is both God and man, yes? You understand the human name of Messiah is Jesus and the Deity name is Christ, yes?
There’s a reason why the Holy Spirit mentions “Christ “ Jesus instead of Jesus Christ. That’s because in natural order it is God, Christ, man, woman; but in spiritual matters it is God, Christ, then everyone else thereafter and equal. A woman can be apostle and pastor for those are spiritual offices.
That is the only hierarchy in Christendom.
To change, add, or subtract this order is an inferma or born of hell.
The Catholic Church doesn’t practice inferma or things born in hell, do they?

Equal in Christ unity yes but very different roles

Does Christ being high priest affect the unity?

 

[donadams]

Don, husband and wife apply to natural order.
But in spiritual order we in Christ are all equal.

Galatians 3:28 (KJV 1900): 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

You do understand God’s Messiah is both God and man, yes? You understand the human name of Messiah is Jesus and the Deity name is Christ, yes?
There’s a reason why the Holy Spirit mentions “Christ “ Jesus instead of Jesus Christ. That’s because in natural order it is God, Christ, man, woman; but in spiritual matters it is God, Christ, then everyone else thereafter and equal. A woman can be apostle and pastor for those are spiritual offices.
That is the only hierarchy in Christendom.
To change, add, or subtract this order is an inferma or born of hell.
The Catholic Church doesn’t practice inferma or things born in hell, do they?

Husband and wife is just an example of how different roles don’t affect unity

 

[jeremiah1five]

Equal in Christ unity yes but very different roles

Does Christ being high priest affect the unity?

It is in Christ in which the unity exists.

 

[donadams]

It is in Christ in which the unity exists.

I said His high priesthood not his person
Does his hierarchy affect the unity?

 

[jeremiah1five]

I said His high priesthood not his person
Does his hierarchy affect the unity?

He’s one and the same.
You can’t separate who He is.

 

[donadams]

He’s one and the same.
You can’t separate who He is.

How can he be high priest without low priests?

 

[jeremiah1five]

How can he be high priest without low priests?

Because He’s God.

 

[donadams]

Because He’s God.

Must have some to be high over
Must have low priests in obedience to Him fulfilling the same office

 

[jeremiah1five]

Must have some to be high over
Must have low priests in obedience to Him fulfilling the same office

Since we born again believers are priests we are the low priests. Christ is the High Priest.
There it is there.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Believe me, we all like to say we are led by the Holy Spirit, but in reality that is not the case.

That makes it easy to see who the posers are.

You can take my list and post threads on each of them and I’ll be there.

I revisited the post and the only point I really disagreed with was the one about the gift of tongues no longer being given.
It is.
But it requires a real repentance from sin.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I revisited the post and the only point I really disagreed with was the one about the gift of tongues no longer being given.
It is.
But it requires a real repentance from sin.

What God continued on Pentecost remains to this day.
But not everyone is given the gift of tongues.
Repentance from sin is not a requirement.
Being born again is repentance from sin.
But who gets this gift is entirely up to God.

 

[Hopeful 2]

peter is the head of the apostles

Christ is the Head of the apostles.

 

[Hopeful 2]

What God continued on Pentecost remains to this day.
But not everyone is given the gift of tongues.

Only the unrepentant will be denied something we can ask God for.

Repentance from sin is not a requirement.

I disagree.
Cornelius is the prime, post-Pentecost example.

Being born again is repentance from sin.

I disagree.
Repentance from sin is the first step to conversion. (Acts 2:38)

But who gets this gift is entirely up to God.

That is true, but He won't give any gift to the servants of sin.