Why did God let so many people go to hell by not revealing Christ sooner?

[Jethro Bodine]

Why did God let four thousand years of humans go to hell before he revealed the gospel of Christ to the world so men could now start to be saved?

 

[reba]

Did he?

 

[Guest]

How were people judged before Moses and Jesus existed.

 

[Knotical]

God's prerogative. If you have the courage, ask Him when you see Him.

 

[John 8:32]

He did not. Most have not been judged yet, most have not even had a choice yet.

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Remember what Christ said?

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Even the disciples did not understand...

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

They did not understand until this point in time.

God is not calling all today...

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Notice that it says WHEN in verse 27? Hasn't happened yet, but will happen...

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

This is the purpose of the Great White Throne Judgment...

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Genesis through Revelation are finally opened to thees people. They then must make the same choice every humna being must make...

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Until then, they cannot make that choice, they are blinded. The Great Controversy false doctrine of the SDAs seems to have infected much of Christendom these days.

(For further study one could do a concordance lookup of 'understand', 'understanding' and similar words. It would also be beneficial to check into Ellen G. White's false doctrine of the Great Controversy.)

 

[Twalsh]

Chapter 11 of Hebrews says that those who had faith before Christ were also saved and verse 1 of chapter 12 identifies them as "a cloud of witnesses surrounding us"

 

[Eugene]

Chapter 11 of Hebrews says that those who had faith before Christ were also saved and verse 1 of chapter 12 identifies them as "a cloud of witnesses surrounding us"

Welcome Twalsh to CF.net and it's a pleasure to have you with us.

From a study I have concerning these worthies of faith brought forth by A.S. Copley, he comments "Their manner of successful running is placed before us as an inspiration and encouragement," and then he expounds the rules and the goals of the race. I look forward to your input.

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

 

[smaller]

Why did God let four thousand years of humans go to hell before he revealed the gospel of Christ to the world so men could now start to be saved?

This has been true from the beginning:

Acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

God has never been against those who 'do good.'

To say that there is a difference between The Spirit of God in Christ and of good or of Love is a common misnomer of christiandom in general.

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[Elijah674]

It is called FREE/WILL. The Godhead are not into the numbers game! They set out with a plan and surely knowing who & what the End would be for each one of us before being created.

The forbidden tree was a testing! And the great many lost ones are the result or following satan. Yet think of it who as was left behind who never did sin, and then wondering if satan might have been right? Surely of these ones there was a couple who were teetering? (not quite sure)

So as I find that this was the sole reason for the great number of lost ones. And us? We can be thankful that there was an opportunity to be tested and finally proven faithful. Heb. 11:1-2 & verse 13.

--Elijah

 

[reba]

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

 

[Sinthesis]

I would say all people went to the grave before Christ, but not yet hell, at least until the great white throne judgement.

 

[Eugene]

Why did God let four thousand years of humans go to hell before he revealed the gospel of Christ to the world so men could now start to be saved?

Do you really believe all the worthies of faith written in Hebrews Chapter Eleven went to hell? What of Adam and Eve, Seth and all his godly lineage to Jesus?

Just a thought, but in Genesis 3:21 "Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them." Blood was shed for them and they had the example of the sacrifice required. Abel followed that example in Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering.

All these things were shadows and types of things to come. Until Christ died the tabernacle offerings pointed to Him. Hebrews 8:4-5. ". . gifts offered according to the law serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things."

 

[jasoncran]

Why did God let four thousand years of humans go to hell before he revealed the gospel of Christ to the world so men could now start to be saved?

ok, first in the days of moses, only the torah and faith could save. a gentile whom never heard of the torah wasn't judged by it. he would be judged for what he did know. the gospel was the means to go to the world. whereas god only dealt with isreal and the nations around her, he know will deal with entire planet.

 

[Eugene]

ok, first in the days of moses, only the torah and faith could save. a gentile whom never heard of the torah wasn't judged by it. he would be judged for what he did know. the gospel was the means to go to the world. whereas god only dealt with isreal and the nations around her, he know will deal with entire planet.

Jason, the key word in this to me stands out as "Judged." Them that believed were not judged as to their standing in God; only their state or walk such as Moses who was not allowed into Canaan and was to die because of unbelief as we read in Numbers 20:12, "And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not", but Moses is still judged as righteous. We see him in the worthies of faith in Hebrews 11:24, "By faith Moses".

Deuteronomy 32:50-52
50) Die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
51) Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.
52) Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.

 

[Elijah674]

We find that some died not knowing Christ as we do. Paul in Rom. 2:14-15 has Paul saying it this way...

[13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
[14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

--Elijah

 

[jasoncran]

ok, first in the days of moses, only the torah and faith could save. a gentile whom never heard of the torah wasn't judged by it. he would be judged for what he did know. the gospel was the means to go to the world. whereas god only dealt with isreal and the nations around her, he know will deal with entire planet.

Jason, the key word in this to me stands out as "Judged." Them that believed were not judged as to their standing in God; only their state or walk such as Moses who was not allowed into Canaan and was to die because of unbelief as we read in Numbers 20:12, "And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not", but Moses is still judged as righteous. We see him in the worthies of faith in Hebrews 11:24, "By faith Moses".

Deuteronomy 32:50-52
50) Die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
51) Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.
52) Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.

I wasn't talking about Sinai, but say the proto-greek culture who heard of the exodus but never were told of the torah. though they may have heard of it. isreal had a function and its in detueurmony 4. the torah was to do something for isreal and be a light.

 

[John 8:32]

We find that some died not knowing Christ as we do. Paul in Rom. 2:14-15 has Paul saying it this way...

[13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
[14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

--Elijah

And yet we read this...

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Many years before either Christ or Moses, men were being saved merely on the basis of (1) doing good. and (2) self control.

†. Gen 4:7 . . If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.

People who've never heard, nor heard of, the commandments or the gospel, will be judged in accordance with faithfulness to their own intuitive moral compass.

†. Rom 2:12-16 . . All who sin apart from the Law will also perish apart from the Law, and all who sin under the Law will be judged by the Law. For it is not those who hear the Law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the Law who will be declared righteous.

. . . Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature things required by the Law, they are a law unto themselves, even though they do not have the Law, since they show that the requirements of the Law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them, and sometimes excusing them.

FYI: Cain was a very fortunate man. Since the laws of God aren't retroactive; then Cain can't be prosecuted for murder because in his day, murder was neither a crime nor a sin. (Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17)

Buen Camino
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[John 8:32]

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Many years before either Christ or Moses, men were being saved merely on the basis of (1) doing good. and (2) self control.

†. Gen 4:7 . . If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.

People who've never heard, nor heard of, the commandments or the gospel, will be judged in accordance with faithfulness to their own intuitive moral compass.

†. Rom 2:12-16 . . All who sin apart from the Law will also perish apart from the Law, and all who sin under the Law will be judged by the Law. For it is not those who hear the Law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the Law who will be declared righteous.

. . . Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature things required by the Law, they are a law unto themselves, even though they do not have the Law, since they show that the requirements of the Law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and 4their thoughts sometimes accusing them, and sometimes excusing them.

FYI: Cain was a very fortunate man. Since the laws of God aren't retroactive; then Cain can't be prosecuted for murder because in his day, murder was neither a crime nor a sin. (Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17)

Buen Camino
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And Christ had no idea how this worked?

Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

There are many roads to salvation? Just choose the one that you prefer?

 

[John 8:32]

Re: *

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Many years before either Christ or Moses, men were being saved merely on the basis of (1) doing good. and (2) self control.

†. Gen 4:7 . . If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.

People who've never heard, nor heard of, the commandments or the gospel, will be judged in accordance with faithfulness to their own intuitive moral compass.

†. Rom 2:12-16 . . All who sin apart from the Law will also perish apart from the Law, and all who sin under the Law will be judged by the Law. For it is not those who hear the Law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the Law who will be declared righteous.

. . . Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature things required by the Law, they are a law unto themselves, even though they do not have the Law, since they show that the requirements of the Law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them, and sometimes excusing them.

FYI: Cain was a very fortunate man. Since the laws of God aren't retroactive; then Cain can't be prosecuted for murder because in his day, murder was neither a crime nor a sin. (Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17)

Buen Camino
/

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

You are misquoting Rom 4 and 5...

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

And yet sin lay at the door?

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Why did death reign if there was no Law and no sin?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.