[_ Old Earth _] Why Evolution is True

[Aero_Hudson]

Good article over at conversantlife.com regarding a critique of a new book by Jerry Coyne titled "Why Evolution is True". I enjoyed it. Check it out.

http://www.conversantlife.com/science/w ... e#continue

 

[John]

 

[Dave Slayer]

Good article over at conversantlife.com regarding a critique of a new book by Jerry Coyne titled "Why Evolution is True". I enjoyed it. Check it out.

http://www.conversantlife.com/science/w ... e#continue

No thanks. I have allready read too many evolution articles. :P

 

[Barbarian]

Don't bother. It's another "Yayayayayayayayah, I can't hear you" denial of science.

Entirely hand-waving.

 

[John]

Don't bother. It's another "Yayayayayayayayah, I can't hear you" denial of science.

Entirely hand-waving.

from the bit i read it was in support of evolution

 

[Aero_Hudson]

Don't bother. It's another "Yayayayayayayayah, I can't hear you" denial of science.

Entirely hand-waving.

from the bit i read it was in support of evolution

Read closer...it is not in support of Evolution. It is a critique of a book that supports evolution. I think both sides of the issue present good arguements and points to consider.

 

[John]

Read closer...it is not in support of Evolution. It is a critique of a book that supports evolution. I think both sides of the issue present good arguements and points to consider.

Sorry, i jumped to conclusions.

 

[Barbarian]

I think both sides of the issue present good arguements and points to consider.

Which points did you find most compelling against science?

 

[Paidion]

Which points did you find most compelling against science?

There are no points against science ---- only against evolution.

 

[Aero_Hudson]

I think both sides of the issue present good arguements and points to consider.

Which points did you find most compelling against science?

I find the debate interesting. I don't see it being against science either as Paidon already commented on. I don't want to get into a tit for tat. Personally, I have not made up my mind as to which is true, Evolution or Intelligent Design or if the two can coexist. However, I do find the debate fascinating and how vehement both sides can become.

 

[Barbarian]

So, if you don't know what's right or wrong, how can you have an opinion?

 

[B.A.C.]

Which points did you find most compelling against science?

There are no points against science ---- only against evolution.

Excellent point. I love Science, good science. It's Evolutionary Theory that I can't swallow, because I believe the Science of Biogenesis, it's Evolutionists that have the problem with the laws of science.

In Jesus,

BAC

 

[Barbarian]

Excellent point. I love Science, good science. It's Evolutionary Theory that I can't swallow, because I believe the Science of Biogenesis, it's Evolutionists that have the problem with the laws of science.

Odd then, that scientists are overwhelmingly evolutionists, and the same people who object to science also object to evolution. Creationists, for example, object to thermodynamics, physics, geology, astronomy, and a host of other sciences.

Which "laws of science" do you think conflict with evolution? And there doesn't seem to be a science of "biogenesis." The closest thing I can think of is abiogenesis.

 

[Aero_Hudson]

So, if you don't know what's right or wrong, how can you have an opinion?

Not sure I understand your question. Opinion is not black and white. I can have an opinion but have it not rest on one side of the issue or the other or to even straddle both sides. I will admit that I lean towards evolution but at the same time think it is possible that God used evolution as part of his creation. I think Intelligent Design is possible and more than likely probable.

 

[Barbarian]

Not sure I understand your question.

If you don't know the details, how can you know who (if anyone) is right?

I will admit that I lean towards evolution but at the same time think it is possible that God used evolution as part of his creation.

Most of us do.

I think Intelligent Design is possible and more than likely probable.

One or the other. But I think creation is much more likely than ID. Since there's no sign of design in nature, that's pretty much ruled out.

The last word from the IDers (Phillip Johnson, who invented ID) is that they think it might be a "space alien."

I don't think so.

 

[Aero_Hudson]

Not sure I understand your question.

If you don't know the details, how can you know who (if anyone) is right?

[quote:3p6dqe8s]I will admit that I lean towards evolution but at the same time think it is possible that God used evolution as part of his creation.

Most of us do.

I think Intelligent Design is possible and more than likely probable.

One or the other. But I think creation is much more likely than ID. Since there's no sign of design in nature, that's pretty much ruled out.

The last word from the IDers (Phillip Johnson, who invented ID) is that they think it might be a "space alien."

I don't think so.[/quote:3p6dqe8s]

I would contend that you are incorrect is stating there is no design in nature. I would like to ask you to expand on that statement. How can you not look at the world and the life in it and not see a design of some sort?

 

[Barbarian]

I would contend that you are incorrect is stating there is no design in nature.

So far, whenever we find out how something natural came to be, it was by natural processes. God does most everything that way in this world. And recently, it's become clear that evolutionary processes are more efficient than design. Just what we'd expect of God.

How can you not look at the world and the life in it and not see a design of some sort?

So far, I can't find anything that shows design. Creation, yes. Design, no. God, yes. "Space aliens", no.

 

[Crying Rock]

But I think creation is much more likely than ID.

Didn't you write earlier that you are not a creationist? But then you claim you are a Christian?

 

[Crying Rock]

But I think creation is much more likely than ID.

Didn't you write earlier that you are not a creationist? But then you claim you are a Christian?

I can do some research to direct you to some local therapists.

Are you open to that?

:help

 

[Barbarian]

Creationism and creation are two different, often contradictory things. Can you show me an example of nature that was "designed" instead of created by natural processes?