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Growth Why has the Christian Faith abandoned the Passover and the Feast of unleavened bread?

The Poly Grip Kid said:
Just as we observe Passover which God instructs us to
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Who is we? Gentiles living in America?

The law of Moses was given to the children of Israel.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18


JLB
 
Deborah13 said:
I did not hear you saying, that you keep it as a condition of your salvation or out of obligation. I do understand that you believe you are pleasing the Lord. So that is between you and God. I do not judge you either way.
I also keep it as a remembrance, as the Lord's Supper and I do it because our Lord said to and so it is pleasing to Him.
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Well there you have it in a nut shell which is the same reason I as well all Christians should observe the Passover Seder and not to mention it is simply a fun time with special friends and family and a wonderful time spent with our Father God the Creator of the universe whom all blessings flow!
here is a link to a Haggadah and other links that goes more in depth explaining the Passover and why Christians should seriously consider observing the Holy Day that Father God Adonai ordained as a feast of the Lord Johnathan Bernis of www.Jewishvoice.org
I also uploaded a couple of PDF also here is another link to another good Passover Seder that goes in depth and is quite lengthy but a good read concerning the order just a side note read the Hebraic prayers from right to left on this one otherwise it will not make any sense.

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Spring_Holidays/Pesach/H4C_Passover_Seder.pdf
 
JLB said:
Who is we? Gentiles living in America?

The law of Moses was given to the children of Israel.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18


JLB
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At your spiritual rebirth you are grafted in Father Gods family.
You serve Yeshua who is Hebrew from the tribe of Judah who had matzo stuck between his teeth from eating the Passover meal with his twelve disciples as he Prayed to Father Adonai to take the cup from him that bore your and my sins but he remained obedient unto death as the sacrificial Lamb of God for your and mine sins that you may be able to call him your big Brother which makes you Hebrew in reality but you want to start an argument over whether or not you should Observe a feast of the Lord which He so ordained?
this feast has nothing to do with being under the law but has everything to do with whether or not you are willing to be obedient to observe the Passover which he so commanded Just as Jesus so commanded us to observe in which a certain part of that Passover feast which we call the Lords supper and or communion is an ordinance of the Church.but that is your choice to make
Like I already said if you don't want to Observe the Passover then don't ain't none of my business I am just here trying to encourage you to taste and see that the Lord is good.
 
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The Poly Grip Kid said:
excuse me if I feel like I am being pigeon holed but I don't mind answering your question at all. first in all fairness before I give you an answer of how I think it should be observed and celebrated as a joyous festival/occasion I think it is fitting that those who do not know what the wave sheaf offering is and how it points to Yeshua HaMaciach should be explained and being that explanation is quite lengthy I will just post a link that explains the wave Sheaf offering and how it is a typology of Our Lord and his ascension to Father God and His acceptance of His only begotten Son being our wave sheaf offering . http://www.ucg.org/gods-holy-days/wave-sheaf-offering-ceremony-foreshadowing-salvation/

The question you proposed is how do you observe the Wave sheaf offering? unless we are farmers we don't have grain to wave nor is there a temple to wave it in. my suggestion to anyone who wishes to observe this Holy day would be to have a service (whether by a whole Congregation or in the privacy of ones own home with family and friends) should be held on the first day of the week(Sunday) that is within the seven days of unleavened bread a simple prayer service Giving thanks for sustaining us in all things physically and spiritually and Glorifying Father God.
Just as we observe Passover which God instructs us to start the Seder meal at sundown. the wave Sheaf service is an event that is to be observed in the morning. It is fitting to fast the morning of the Prayer service to make an emphasis on the significance of the service then have a special meal such as thanksgiving dedicated to our Lord Yeshua, Gods Son and our first Fruit.
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Thank you. That sounds like a nice way to celebrate it and to understand the significance of it.
I agree with you on which day this is, as well. Again, thank you for sharing your views with me. :)
 
The Poly Grip Kid said:
At your spiritual rebirth you are grafted in Father Gods family.
You serve Yeshua who is Hebrew from the tribe of Judah who had matzo stuck between his teeth from eating the Passover meal with his twelve disciples as he Prayed to Father Adonai to take the cup from him that bore your and my sins but he remained obedient unto death as the sacrificial Lamb of God for your and mine sins that you may be able to call him your big Brother which makes you Hebrew in reality but you want to start an argument over whether or not you should Observe a feast of the Lord which He so ordained?
this feast has nothing to do with being under the law but has everything to do with whether or not you are willing to be obedient to observe the Passover which he so commanded Just as Jesus so commanded us to observe in which a certain part of that Passover feast which we call the Lords supper and or communion is an ordinance of the Church.but that is your choice to make
Like I already said if you don't want to Observe the Passover then don't ain't none of my business I am just here trying to encourage you to taste and see that the Lord is good.
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No sir, I disagree.

By your statement, you seem to think it is a commandment from God to keep the Passover, as you statement clearly indicates -

If you don't want to celebrate Passover then don't but don't use theology for an excuse for not doing something that God told us to do FOREVER. Forever means Forever, Tell me what part of forever don't you get?
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Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations?


Last time I looked, we are grafted into the root....

Did you ever consider the fact that Abraham was a Gentile, and never kept the Passover, not any other feast for that matter, yet He is called a friend of God.

Did you know that the law is not of faith?

Did you know that without faith, it is impossible to please God?

Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them." Galatians 3:12

Therefore it doesn't please God when you try to keep an obsolete feast from an obsolete law that has vanished away.

It does please God when you are led by the Spirit.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

The Spirit does not lead people to keep the law of Moses.


JLB
 
Obviously the answer is colored eggs, chocolate bunnies, Santa, consumerism, the fun fat trampling people to literal death for 1984 technology, pretty lights and ham.

I absolutely hate ham. It tastes terrible. Along with other typical nasty holiday casseroles.

I bought some health bars to bring to Ishtar dinner this year, forseeing terrible food. (A prudent man forsees evil :dancing) Thankfully someone broke the American combo and made real food.

I can't stand pork/ham (except for only bacon and ribs). But not just the taste, but the malnutritional reality about ham is a turn off. Pig bodies aren't made to sweat out toxins.
http://www.naturalnews.com/043184_the_Bible_pork_unclean_meat.html
 
JLB said:
No sir, I disagree.

By your statement, you seem to think it is a commandment from God to keep the Passover, as you statement clearly indicates -



Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations?


Last time I looked, we are grafted into the root....

Did you ever consider the fact that Abraham was a Gentile, and never kept the Passover, not any other feast for that matter, yet He is called a friend of God.

Did you know that the law is not of faith?

Did you know that without faith, it is impossible to please God?

Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them." Galatians 3:12

Therefore it doesn't please God when you try to keep an obsolete feast from an obsolete law that has vanished away.

It does please God when you are led by the Spirit.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

The Spirit does not lead people to keep the law of Moses.


JLB
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I guess we will find out whether or not Father God intended for his Children to keep His Holy days when we get home until then we will just have to disagree. Like I mentioned before whether you decide to keep these Holy days God ordained in the old covenant is not a condition of our salvation but whether or not you think they have some significance concerning our walk with our Heavenly Father I choose to observe these days not out of obligation but because I choose to do so.
God bless!
 
Deborah13 said:
"Most cattle, except those of the Bos indicus subspecies do not have sweat glands in their skin, but their wet nose is a useful cooling system. They can also pant like a dog as well." :poke
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle
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I didn't say anything about cooling:

The digestive system of a pig is unique in that it metabolizes food very quickly through one stomach in a process that takes about four hours. A cow takes 24 hours to digest what's eaten, and it is able to get rid of excess toxins during the digestive process. The pig's digestive system doesn't allow for this, and the toxins are carried into the fat cells and organs of the pig itself.

Pigs also do not have sweat glands. Perspiration is a key method that the body uses for detoxification, and the pig is not designed to perspire. When we consume pig meat, we get all of these pathogenic microorganisms and environmental toxins into our system
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/043184_the_Bible_pork_unclean_meat.html#ixzz3XLQ6BWeR​
 
This 'feasts' purpose was to ......remember what God did...

Exo 12:26 And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?
Exo 12:27 That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD'S passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.

Jesus our Lamb said do this in remembrance of Me....
1Co_11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co_11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
 
YosefHayim said:
Obviously the answer is colored eggs, chocolate bunnies, Santa, consumerism, the fun fat trampling people to literal death for 1984 technology, pretty lights and ham.

I absolutely hate ham. It tastes terrible. Along with other typical nasty holiday casseroles.

I bought some health bars to bring to Ishtar dinner this year, forseeing terrible food. (A prudent man forsees evil :dancing) Thankfully someone broke the American combo and made real food.

I can't stand pork/ham (except for only bacon and ribs). But not just the taste, but the malnutritional reality about ham is a turn off. Pig bodies aren't made to sweat out toxins.
http://www.naturalnews.com/043184_the_Bible_pork_unclean_meat.html
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YUmmm Sausage!
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But I don't eat Pork hardly ever since my Quadruple bypass I had last November 12th
LOL Ishtar Dinner aparently replaced Passover Seder Never seen any where in the Holy Bible about Ishtar being a holy day. I suppose the Roman Emperor Constantine and Miltiades the first Pope of Rome has authority over Gods ordinances:oops2Things that make you scratch your head in confusion:confused
 
YosefHayim said:
I didn't say anything about cooling:

The digestive system of a pig is unique in that it metabolizes food very quickly through one stomach in a process that takes about four hours. A cow takes 24 hours to digest what's eaten, and it is able to get rid of excess toxins during the digestive process. The pig's digestive system doesn't allow for this, and the toxins are carried into the fat cells and organs of the pig itself.

Pigs also do not have sweat glands. Perspiration is a key method that the body uses for detoxification, and the pig is not designed to perspire. When we consume pig meat, we get all of these pathogenic microorganisms and environmental toxins into our system
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/043184_the_Bible_pork_unclean_meat.html#ixzz3XLQ6BWeR​
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Quote from your article:
"Leviticus clearly states that pigs, because they do not chew their cud, are an unclean meat."
That is Not what the Bible says. And besides that....
If that were true God would not have told Noah that all meats are clean for man to eat. Which means all meats were clean for Abraham, Issac, and Jacob as well. The LAW against eating swine did not come until 430 yrs. After Abraham. You expect us to believe that God had Godly men eating meat that was unclean for them for about 1500 yrs. or so?
Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

They were all living under grace and all things were clean for them. Then under the Covenant of the Law of Moses came the food restrictions. Christ followers are not under that covenant. We are in Christ. We are the children of Abraham, like Issac by Sarah, who is Mt Zion. Not like Ishmael by Hagar, who is Mt Sinai.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
 
reba said:
This 'feasts' purpose was to ......remember what God did...

Exo 12:26 And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?
Exo 12:27 That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD'S passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.

Jesus our Lamb said do this in remembrance of Me....
1Co_11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co_11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
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Which has absolutely nothing to do with the Feast of Passover.

25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.

As often as you do, is not confined to a specific day.



JLB
 
Deborah13 said:
Quote from your article:
"Leviticus clearly states that pigs, because they do not chew their cud, are an unclean meat."
That is Not what the Bible says. And besides that....
If that were true God would not have told Noah that all meats are clean for man to eat. Which means all meats were clean for Abraham, Issac, and Jacob as well. The LAW against eating swine did not come until 430 yrs. After Abraham. You expect us to believe that God had Godly men eating meat that was unclean for them for about 1500 yrs. or so?
Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

They were all living under grace and all things were clean for them. Then under the Covenant of the Law of Moses came the food restrictions. Christ followers are not under that covenant. We are in Christ. We are the children of Abraham, like Issac by Sarah, who is Mt Zion. Not like Ishmael by Hagar, who is Mt Sinai.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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Yes Ma'am.


JLB
 
Deborah13 said:
Quote from your article:
"Leviticus clearly states that pigs, because they do not chew their cud, are an unclean meat."
That is Not what the Bible says. And besides that....
If that were true God would not have told Noah that all meats are clean for man to eat. Which means all meats were clean for Abraham, Issac, and Jacob as well. The LAW against eating swine did not come until 430 yrs. After Abraham. You expect us to believe that God had Godly men eating meat that was unclean for them for about 1500 yrs. or so?
Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

They were all living under grace and all things were clean for them. Then under the Covenant of the Law of Moses came the food restrictions. Christ followers are not under that covenant. We are in Christ. We are the children of Abraham, like Issac by Sarah, who is Mt Zion. Not like Ishmael by Hagar, who is Mt Sinai.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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Then why was noah told to take 2 unclean and 7 clean animals? Did he change his mind between that and Leviticus?

See Leviticus 11:7
 
Deborah13 said:
:nag LOL Who are you to judge? You follow the traditions of the Pharisees. Take the log out of your own eye.
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No I partake in the feast of unleavened bread that God so ordained not what Constantine ordained. I observe Resurrection Sunday not easter. please tell me what bunny rabbits baby chicks and colored eggs have to do with the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord then I can clearly see to take out the log that is in my eye. aparently I am in good company because aparently Jesus observed the same traditions of the Pharisees as well. Please do not use Scripture out of context in attempt to admonish me please.
 
YosefHayim said:
Then why was noah told to take 2 unclean and 7 clean animals? Did he change his mind between that and Leviticus?

See Leviticus 11:7
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2 pairs of unclean animals and 7 pairs of clean animals. They entered the ark 2x2 in pairs. Can't get 2x2 from 7 animals.

Only clean animals could be used for sacrifices/burnt offerings.
Gen 8:19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark.
Gen 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
We know that God was the first to sacrifice the life of animals for the life of man. I believe that even Abel was doing this. That is why his offering was acceptable to God and Cain's wasn't. But that is just me, the scripture just says offering. We know from scripture that Job was for sure and it appears the Noah already knew which were clean and unclean animals. I don't know when Job lived, before or after the flood? Maybe you could help with that.
 
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