Why is Christianity better than others?

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toddm said:
That's universalism and it's unbiblical. No where in the Bible does it teach that all are forgiven and all are going to heaven. Jesus spoke of hell A LOT and John 3:16-18 makes it very clear that the only way to eternal life is by fully trusting in Jesus w/ your entire being.

So are you saying Jesus didn't die for the sins of humanity? That's what I learned. That he died for all sins past and future. You can believe what ever you want. You can't believe in hateful Jesus or loving Jesus. In the end It doesn't matter. Spread all the hate and hellfire you want.

There've been times when I wander
And times when I don't
Concepts I'll ponder
And concepts I won't ever see
God isn't one of these
Former or latter
Which did you think I meant
It doesn't matter to me
 
kenmaynard said:
toddm said:
That's universalism and it's unbiblical. No where in the Bible does it teach that all are forgiven and all are going to heaven. Jesus spoke of hell A LOT and John 3:16-18 makes it very clear that the only way to eternal life is by fully trusting in Jesus w/ your entire being.
So are you saying Jesus didn't die for the sins of humanity? That's what I learned. That he died for all sins past and future. You can believe what ever you want. You can't believe in hateful Jesus or loving Jesus. In the end It doesn't matter. Spread all the hate and hellfire you want.
Be very careful in what you are saying. No one is spreading hate. Yes, Jesus died for the sins of the world but unless one believes and puts their trust in who Jesus is and in his death and resurrection there is no salvation. The Bible is very clear on the matter.
 
John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 3:36 - Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

You can have opinions all day long, but at the end of the day it's what Scripture says. Your "Jesus" that died for every single person regardless of what they believe is a false Jesus. I don't tell you this to step on your toes, but I tell you this because I want you to know the truth. Do you want to know truth?
 
Here is the gist of the problem:

The majority of religions, including all the major ones, contradict each other at the core and are irreconcilable. By use of reason they cannot all be true; that is a logical impossibility. It is therefore possible that either all are false or one is true. The only exception may be Judaism and Christianity but that is up for discussion.
 
seekandlisten said:
kenmaynard said:
There is no point to this discussion. Some people on this forum only preach hatred. They think they and very few others have all the truth. It makes them feel good to know that, according to them, very few people will get into heaven, and that the rest will suffer forever. It makes them feel really special or something. Discussions about denominations or other religions being wrong only serves to allow the hateful, to spew their hate and defame the words of Jesus. This forum seems to have a lot of these types around.

If I told you I was muslim, athiest, wiccan, or any other title you want to insert here would you think I was going to heaven with you and based on what?

I think you are asking the wrong question. The right question would be what can we do now as believers to bring the kingdom of God to earth right now. Not what happens to us when we are gone.

It would take awhile but I think it is possible to make a very sound case for why Christianity is a better belief system than the remaining 2 of the big 3.
 
kenmaynard said:
toddm said:
That's universalism and it's unbiblical. No where in the Bible does it teach that all are forgiven and all are going to heaven. Jesus spoke of hell A LOT and John 3:16-18 makes it very clear that the only way to eternal life is by fully trusting in Jesus w/ your entire being.

So are you saying Jesus didn't die for the sins of humanity? That's what I learned. That he died for all sins past and future. You can believe what ever you want. You can't believe in hateful Jesus or loving Jesus. In the end It doesn't matter. Spread all the hate and hellfire you want.

There've been times when I wander
And times when I don't
Concepts I'll ponder
And concepts I won't ever see
God isn't one of these
Former or latter
Which did you think I meant
It doesn't matter to me

Jesus did die for all of humanity but it is a free gift that must be accepted. Without accepted the gift you cannot partake of what is inside.
 
Aero_Hudson said:
Jesus did die for all of humanity but it is a free gift that must be accepted. Without accepted the gift you cannot partake of what is inside.

The gift isn't free if you have to do something to get it. Also, the line of reasoning that Jesus is vain and needs worship and acknowledgment doesn't sound like the Jesus I have ever heard or read about. Just doesn't have the ring of truth to it.
 
Aero_Hudson said:
seekandlisten said:
kenmaynard said:
There is no point to this discussion. Some people on this forum only preach hatred. They think they and very few others have all the truth. It makes them feel good to know that, according to them, very few people will get into heaven, and that the rest will suffer forever. It makes them feel really special or something. Discussions about denominations or other religions being wrong only serves to allow the hateful, to spew their hate and defame the words of Jesus. This forum seems to have a lot of these types around.

If I told you I was muslim, athiest, wiccan, or any other title you want to insert here would you think I was going to heaven with you and based on what?

I think you are asking the wrong question. The right question would be what can we do now as believers to bring the kingdom of God to earth right now. Not what happens to us when we are gone.

It would take awhile but I think it is possible to make a very sound case for why Christianity is a better belief system than the remaining 2 of the big 3.

Why would one have to change religions if they discovered christianity? Christianity, the religion, is not superior to all others?? It's not that I don't agree with what is taught in the Bible, it's I don't agree with how the religion of christianity limits and contains God's living Word and introduces doctrines that can twist the meaning of the Scripture and blind christians.

“By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.†Confucius

“Large skepticism leads to large understanding. Small skepticism leads to small understanding. No skepticism leads to no understanding.†Xi Zhi

“All human language draws its nature and value from the fact that it both comes from the Word of God and is chosen by God to manifest himself. But this relationship is secret and incomprehensible, beyond the bounds of reason and analysis.†Jacques Ellul

These three quotes I put in not only as a reference of quotes containing Truth but also because they relate to the subject of hand. Did anyone take a minute and grasp their meaning??
 
The question in reply to this question is simple, just as the gospel is simple. You have been informed of the gospel of Christ and have been taught how to recieve salvation. Its now your choice. If you decide not to, you cannot blame anyone else when you are standing before Christ. If we take the Bible as God's Word, as I believe we should, we should all understand that other religions, no matter how honorable they may seem, do not lead to eternal life. If we believe their are other ways to eternal life then we cannot claim to be Christian.
I have noticed there is a sentiment that if we disagree with another religion we Hate I find that illogical. We are told to preach the Gospel to the world, that was Jesus instruction to us. Why, so NO MAN shall perish. That is LOVE not hate. When a Christian tells a non-christian that the only way to heaven is through the redemptive blood of Jesus Christ, it is sad out of LOVE and obedience to Christ.
The problem with this is that many Christians forget to take the plank out of their own eye and are self righteous in the way they proclaim the Gospel. I agree that this can lead to wrong perceptions being believed.
The difference comes in when as Christians we are told to defend the faith. I believe this is when another Gospel is preached, about another Christ (False). As Christians we must stand fast and rebuke any such teachings with love to correct the fellow Christian in his wrong teaching. If that person does not want to be corrected then we must disown ourselves from that person and his teachings, publically so that all may know that persons teachings atre not from God.
We cannot re-invent Christ to suit our needs, as so many are trying to do today. A social gospel (False) is entering our churches and needs to be identified and rebuked.
 
Free said:
Here is the gist of the problem:

The majority of religions, including all the major ones, contradict each other at the core and are irreconcilable. By use of reason they cannot all be true; that is a logical impossibility. It is therefore possible that either all are false or one is true. The only exception may be Judaism and Christianity but that is up for discussion.

Do these same criticisms also not apply to christianity?? I wasn't sure if you were including christianity as a religion. Why must it be all false and none true or 1 true and the rest false? If Jesus is standing there knocking does it matter where you are you how you identify yourself in your spiritual walk to open the door and seek Him first. It's all there you just have to ask God. Aren't christians essentially presenting that we now must go through christianity before we can get to Jesus?? If we get to a point that we know we are right and set up doctrines and a building and start judging others would you say this is the example Jesus set?

It all boils down to what's in one's heart, no religion can portray that except God's Eternal Kingdom.

You should examine yourself daily. If you find faults, you should correct them. When you find none, you should try even harder.
Xi Zhi
 
Ed the Ned said:
The question in reply to this question is simple, just as the gospel is simple. You have been informed of the gospel of Christ and have been taught how to recieve salvation. Its now your choice. If you decide not to, you cannot blame anyone else when you are standing before Christ. If we take the Bible as God's Word, as I believe we should, we should all understand that other religions, no matter how honorable they may seem, do not lead to eternal life. If we believe their are other ways to eternal life then we cannot claim to be Christian.
I have noticed there is a sentiment that if we disagree with another religion we Hate I find that illogical. We are told to preach the Gospel to the world, that was Jesus instruction to us. Why, so NO MAN shall perish. That is LOVE not hate. When a Christian tells a non-christian that the only way to heaven is through the redemptive blood of Jesus Christ, it is sad out of LOVE and obedience to Christ.
The problem with this is that many Christians forget to take the plank out of their own eye and are self righteous in the way they proclaim the Gospel. I agree that this can lead to wrong perceptions being believed.
The difference comes in when as Christians we are told to defend the faith. I believe this is when another Gospel is preached, about another Christ (False). As Christians we must stand fast and rebuke any such teachings with love to correct the fellow Christian in his wrong teaching. If that person does not want to be corrected then we must disown ourselves from that person and his teachings, publically so that all may know that persons teachings atre not from God.
We cannot re-invent Christ to suit our needs, as so many are trying to do today. A social gospel (False) is entering our churches and needs to be identified and rebuked.

I believe the Trinity to be a false doctrine so I therefore cannot associate my beliefs with the religion that has become christianity. I believe there are still many True christians throughout this religion and its not that we need to reject it but separate the Truth from the religion. I reject making God a religion, yet I am a follower of Christ and only look to God that he guide me through His Holy Spirit as to the one True Church which is not physical but spiritual. This Church can be found everywhere and doesn't need a religion to contain it.
 
I am confused. You state that you feel the Trinity is a false doctrine, yet you reference the Trinity in your next few sentences? :confused
 
seekandlisten said:
Free said:
Here is the gist of the problem:

The majority of religions, including all the major ones, contradict each other at the core and are irreconcilable. By use of reason they cannot all be true; that is a logical impossibility. It is therefore possible that either all are false or one is true. The only exception may be Judaism and Christianity but that is up for discussion.
Do these same criticisms also not apply to christianity?? I wasn't sure if you were including christianity as a religion. Why must it be all false and none true or 1 true and the rest false?
Yes, I include Christianity. They cannot all be true since they are irreconcilably different at the core of their beliefs.

seekandlisten said:
If Jesus is standing there knocking does it matter where you are you how you identify yourself in your spiritual walk to open the door and seek Him first.
No, it does not matter. If it did, then none could ever be saved.

seekandlisten said:
Isn't christianity essentially saying we now must go through the church before we can get to Jesus??
Some in Christianity might say that but that is not the case. However, if one accepts Jesus' invitation, they must join the Christian Church and leave whatever belief system they are in.

seekandlisten said:
If we get to a point that we know we are right and set up doctrines and a building and start judging others would you say this is the example Jesus set.
Yes. The Great Commission itself implies that everyone else is wrong and in need of a Savior; that is the judgment of Jesus himself. It also clearly states that those who believe are to become disciples. It is about calling people out of where they are and into a walk with Jesus.

One cannot separate who Jesus is from belief in Jesus. Doctrine is very important.

seekandlisten said:
It all boils down to what's in one's heart, no religion can portray that except God's Eternal Kingdom.
But what or who is God? What is his Kingdom? Why does it that matters what's in one's heart? Why is man the way he is? Is there a problem that needs to be remedied? What is the remedy?

These are all questions that need to be answered before your statement can be properly addressed. The statement is based on what you already believe to be the answers to the questions but every religion has different answers.
 
kenmaynard said:
Aero_Hudson said:
Jesus did die for all of humanity but it is a free gift that must be accepted. Without accepted the gift you cannot partake of what is inside.

The gift isn't free if you have to do something to get it. Also, the line of reasoning that Jesus is vain and needs worship and acknowledgment doesn't sound like the Jesus I have ever heard or read about. Just doesn't have the ring of truth to it.
You're actually on to something w/ that thought. My view (the Reformed view) is that God initiates salvation, meaning that He saves (definitively) not merely offer salvation. God makes the first step by enabling us to see His light, it is then (and only then) that we can see the truth because God has opened our eyes. It is also then that we irresistably drawn to His grace and mercy. But I don't want this to be a "Calvinism debate" so I'll stop here.

Jesus isn't vain if he desires worship and acknowledgment. He's God and he's the only one worthy of such adoration! It's only vain to accept worship if someone that's in higher authority than you deserves it. There is no one higher than Jesus (Colossians 1:15-23), so he is perfectly worthy of our worship. This is also why it's perfectly right for God to be jealous, because there's none other that deserves His glory.

Just out of curiosity...what is that you've "read and heard" about Jesus that makes that sound wrong?? Because I can assure you that you didn't get it from the Bible.
 
Free,
Just a quick comment. I don't think doctrine, hence making a religion, is important. I think it takes away from depending on God and causing us to look to man for interpretation.

But what or who is God? God is the Creator of the world from Who comes all things. What is his Kingdom? His Kingdom is Eternal, it is not of this earth. Why does it that matters what's in one's heart? Because that is where God judges us. We can wrap whatever disguise around ourself and God see's what others don't. Why is man the way he is? Because we rejected God. Is there a problem that needs to be remedied? Yes, sin. What is the remedy? Jesus.

This is how I would answer all your questions in simple form.
 
Free said:
Here is the gist of the problem:

The majority of religions, including all the major ones, contradict each other at the core and are irreconcilable. By use of reason they cannot all be true; that is a logical impossibility. It is therefore possible that either all are false or one is true.

We agree on the above.

Mankind has worshipped literally thousands of false gods.

What does that say about mankind?

How did those people who believed in and worshipped these thousands of false gods come to believe in and worship those gods? Do Christians come to believe in and worship the Christian god in some meaningfully different way that points to the truth of Christianity?
 
I am going to take some time to read over this thread as well as the my other thread 'christian beliefs', as they kind of go together to the point I'm getting at. I want to reflect on what has been put forth and make sure I'm still pointed in the right direction. I have tried to put forth my responses in a way that provokes one to think about what is actually being presented. I will tell you that I can't give the answers, only our Father can. It is all contained in the bible though. One can't be given the Truth all at once, but one can find it with a humble heart. I don't mean direspect to anyone's beliefs or do I judge any religion as the wrong one. The Body of Christ is for everyone and no religion can keep it to themself. The Authority of this Body only comes from God Himself. The only way to the Father is through Jesus. I'm going to leave some Scripture references that relate to the point I'm trying to get at over the course of this thread as well as my other one. The first reference is merely a quote of great wisdom.

"By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest."

1 Corinthians 7:17-24 (New International Version)

"17Nevertheless, each one should retain the place in life that the Lord assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. 18Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts. 20Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him. 21Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so. 22For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave. 23You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. 24Brothers, each man, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation God called him to."

1 Corinthians 8 (New International Version)

"1Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that we all possess knowledge.[a] Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 2The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. 3But the man who loves God is known by God.
4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

7But not everyone knows this. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat such food they think of it as having been sacrificed to an idol, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

9Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol's temple, won't he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols? 11So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall."

1 Corinthians 9:19-23 (New International Version)

" 19Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings."

1 Corinthians 10:12 (New International Version)

"12So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!"


1 Corinthians 10:23-11:1 (New International Version)

The Believer's Freedom

" 23"Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is constructive. 24Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.
25Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it."[a]

27If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28But if anyone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake— 29the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another's conscience? 30If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

31So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33even as I try to please everybody in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.

1 Corinthians 11
1Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ."
 
seekandlisten said:
Free,
Just a quick comment. I don't think doctrine, hence making a religion, is important. I think it takes away from depending on God and causing us to look to man for interpretation.
A religion is much more than doctrine and both are very important. A set of doctrines and beliefs and practices are precisely what sets one religion apart from another. They are also what determine what is orthodoxy and what is not. If there is no orthodoxy, there is no God, no Christ and no Christianity.

seekandlisten said:
But what or who is God? God is the Creator of the world from Who comes all things. What is his Kingdom? His Kingdom is Eternal, it is not of this earth. Why does it that matters what's in one's heart? Because that is where God judges us. We can wrap whatever disguise around ourself and God see's what others don't. Why is man the way he is? Because we rejected God. Is there a problem that needs to be remedied? Yes, sin. What is the remedy? Jesus.

This is how I would answer all your questions in simple form.
Thanks for answering but actually it was a rhetorical question. My point in asking those is that your statement: "It all boils down to what's in one's heart, no religion can portray that except God's Eternal Kingdom," will mean completely different things to people in different religions. Hence the need for religions to have a set of doctrines and practices that define what they mean "God," etc. Some don't think there is a real problem in the world. Many have conflicting ideas about what that problem is. Most have conflicting ideas of what the solution to the problem is. And all have a different idea of who Jesus is.

That is why religion is so important but also why they all cannot be right.
 
AAA said:
Free said:
Here is the gist of the problem:

The majority of religions, including all the major ones, contradict each other at the core and are irreconcilable. By use of reason they cannot all be true; that is a logical impossibility. It is therefore possible that either all are false or one is true.

We agree on the above.

Mankind has worshipped literally thousands of false gods.

What does that say about mankind?

How did those people who believed in and worshipped these thousands of false gods come to believe in and worship those gods? Do Christians come to believe in and worship the Christian god in some meaningfully different way that points to the truth of Christianity?
It can say many things about mankind--one being that they recognize the work of the divine in the created order; another being that they have seen the evil in world and realize the need for a savior outside of humanity.