Bible Study Why Sunday can NOT be the Lord's Day

[Khristeeanos]

I will have to look into this a bit more when I have time. Thanks for the comment on my website. There is going to be a full website sometime.

 

[Bob10]

What Biblical basis is there for Sunday Observance, besides a group of people collecting and sending food to the starving Saints in Jerusalem "on the first day of the week" ?

1 Corinthians 16: 1-2 / Romans 15: 25-28


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the women visiting a tomb "on the first day of the week"


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A Saturday evening gathering together for a fellowship meal, where Paul spoke to the people, and kept on speaking until midnight, since he was going to leave the next day, Sunday ? (Acts 20:7)

If every time a body of believers meet on a day and a preacher preaches a sermon, and that makes the day holy, there would be numerous Sabbath/holy days.

Some churches hold Sunday evening meetings and meetings on Wednesday evenings. But neither of these is sacred beyond the act of worship itself.

 

[Khristeeanos]

I think the reason most Christians use Sunday (the first day of the week) to congregate is because.....

John 20:1-2
Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!"

The Resurrection of Jesus took place on the first day of the week.

 

[Bob10]

Hello, DIME Ministries

The Resurrection of Jesus took place on the first day of the week.

I'm not so sure anymore.

The first day of the week is when they realized Jesus' body was gone.


http://www.centuryone.com/crucifixion.html

 

[Vic C.]

Hello, DIME Ministries

The Resurrection of Jesus took place on the first day of the week.

I'm not so sure anymore.

The first day of the week is when they realized Jesus' body was gone.


http://www.centuryone.com/crucifixion.html

I think I have said this before...
The Bible only goes as far as telling us it was somewhere after sunset at the Sabbath end and before sunrise on the first day.

I posted this back in April...

Though the Bible does not confirm a Saturday sunset resurection, it does tell us it was before, or at least at sunset, on the first day.

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Mark 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

 

[evanman]

A Saturday evening gathering together for a fellowship meal, where Paul spoke to the people, and kept on speaking until midnight, since he was going to leave the next day, Sunday ? (Acts 20:7)

This was no longer Sabbath. The first day had begun.

 

[Khristeeanos]

Hello, DIME Ministries

The Resurrection of Jesus took place on the first day of the week.

I'm not so sure anymore.

The first day of the week is when they realized Jesus' body was gone.


http://www.centuryone.com/crucifixion.html

Didn't the Jews consider 6 PM Saturday night the beginning of the first day of the next week?

 

[Bob10]

Hello DIME Ministries

Didn't the Jews consider 6 PM Saturday night the beginning of the first day of the next week?

I believe that is the approximate time -- sunset or nightfall.


I know people don't necessarily believe Jesus was in the grave for exactly 72 hours (3 days and 3 nights), but I do.

Supposing this is true, Jesus would have died around late afternoon and therefore, would have risen around late afternoon -- 72 hours later.

Jesus would have "opened His eyes" late afternoon on the Sabbath.
Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb, "when it was yet dark" (Jn 20:1) and finds it empty.

Nisan 14 - Jesus died (late Wed. afternoon)
Nisan 15 - Pesach "high day" Sabbath
Nisan 16 - Women buy and prepare burial spices – Mk 16:1
Nisan 17 - Women rest on weekly Sat. Sabbath – Lk 23:56 - (resurrection late afternoon-3days & 3nights later)
Nisan 18 - Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb, "when it was yet dark" (Jn 20:1) and finds it empty.

 

[Vic C.]

Hello DIME Ministries

Didn't the Jews consider 6 PM Saturday night the beginning of the first day of the next week?

I believe that is the approximate time -- sunset or nightfall.

Sounds about right Bob. Check this out...

Why does the Jewish day start at sundown?
A. Think about it--what makes more sense: for a new day to begin when the old day ends, or in the middle of the night? That’s basically why the Jewish day begins at sundown--it follows the laws of nature. But a fuller understanding of why the Jewish day starts at sundown requires a quick examination of time.

B. When G-d created the universe, He created time, space and matter simultaneously. At the very beginning of Creation, the clock began ticking at 00:00 at the precise moment space and matter burst into being. Twenty-four hours later, Day One was complete. What does the Torah say? "It was evening and it was morning, one day." That first 24-hour day began with night and ended with day--and it’s been that way ever since.

C. Later, on Day Four, G-d assigned the sun and the moon as day and night markers, setting up the solar system the way it is today, but the Jewish day begins with night, because that's how time began.
http://www.askmoses.com/qa_detail.html?o=198

I know people don't necessarily believe Jesus was in the grave for exactly 72 hours (3 days and 3 nights), but I do.

Supposing this is true, Jesus would have died around late afternoon and therefore, would have risen around late afternoon -- 72 hours later.

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

I think Jesus was pretty clear here. :D

Jesus would have "opened His eyes" late afternoon on the Sabbath.
Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb, "when it was yet dark" (Jn 20:1) and finds it empty.

Nisan 14 - Jesus died (late Wed. afternoon)
Nisan 15 - Pesach "high day" Sabbath
Nisan 16 - Women buy and prepare burial spices – Mk 16:1
Nisan 17 - Women rest on weekly Sat. Sabbath – Lk 23:56 - (resurrection late afternoon-3days & 3nights later)
Nisan 18 - Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb, "when it was yet dark" (Jn 20:1) and finds it empty.

Historically, you may just be correct.

 

[Bob10]

"Three Days" and "Three Nights" of Matth

The "Three Days" and "Three Nights" of Matthew 12:40.

http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app144.html

 

[Bob10]

Christians are also suppose to keep the seventh day Sabbath because we belong to and believe in Christ --- "And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heir according to the promise" (Gal. 3:29).

Abraham is the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised..... (Romans 4:11).


The Church -- the called out ones -- is the "Israel of God" (Gal. 6:16 / Psalms 125:5).


"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter...." (Romans 2:25-29).

Christians are grafted in among them [Israel] (Romans 11: 13-26).

 

[evanman]

Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Psa 125:5 As for such as turn aside unto their crooked ways, the LORD shall lead them forth with the workers of iniquity: [but] peace [shall be] upon Israel.

Neither of these verses state that the Church is the Israel of God.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:


Rom 2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

In the above portion of scripture Paul is speaking about the Jews, not about Gentiles. True Jews are the ones that follow Y'shuah HaMoshiach, the one's who have not merelt been circumcised in the flesh, but have been circumcised spiritually!

 

[Joeri]

http://amightywind.com/prophecy/iprophecynum.htm

this prophet clearly states that the sabbath was never meant to be on sunday. Love is the fulfillment of the law, true. But what is love? not going your own way, but doing everything in your power to serve God thru serving your neighbor and keeping his laws.

oh and you do not understand right now why we arent circumsized anymore... and when you know the truth about why youd die if you saw gods face youd either laugh out hard and are left completely humiliated.
:angel:

 

[evanman]

Sorry, we are circumcised--just not physically!

 

[Joeri]

Sorry, we are circumcised--just not physically!

:-D im talking about the physcial :bday: haha you will be surprised when you get to heaven or life till the reign of a thousand years, and hear the real bigger story of J.Christ

 

[Bob10]

Colossians 2:16 is the first scripture to give a certain reference to the Sabbath and annual, holy days.

Yet again we have a problem of background. We evidently have a pagan philosophers group exploiting the Church at Colossae. Certain ascetic practices of pagan philosophies are mentioned (Col 2:8, 18-23).

Therefore, it is not surprising that Paul says, "Let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink," since some people apparently were passing judgment.

Of course, eating and drinking are only a "shadow" (forerunner) of what is to come, but the solid "body" (ultimate goal) belongs to Christ.

Does that mean we should no longer eat and drink? Hardly. Paul is showing that the ascetic practices some wished to enforce were of little real substance; any eating or abstinence is not the end but only a means to an end.

A Sabbath observer could say the same about the Sabbath and holy days. They are  not were  a shadow of what is to come; and therefore are still important and necessary, just as eating and drinking are.

 

[evanman]

If Sunday is not the Lord's Day, who's is it?

I believe that ALL days belong to God! Every day is the Lord's.

 

[Bob10]

I believe that ALL days belong to God! Every day is the Lord's.

Yes. But most Christians use sunday, anyway.

Yes. the whole earth and universe belong to God.

But He says that He is Lord of the Sabbath day (Matt 12:8). That makes the Sabbath the Lord's Day.

The LORD Jesus calls the Sabbath His holy day (Isaiah 58: 13-14) and.............

ISAIAH 56: 1-7 - this chapter is interesting because Isaiah puts these verses in a NT time setting, by saying: "THUS SAITH THE LORD, 'Keep judgment, and do justice; for MY SALVATION IS NEAR TO COME......' "

When does the LORD's salvation come? "....Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God and the power of His Christ....." (Rev 12:10) -- at Jesus' return.

Even as salvation nears, those GENTILES who "join themselves to the LORD" (vs2,6; 1Cor 6:17kjv) and keep the Sabbath (vs2,,6) will be taken to the holy mountain of the LORD, for his house shall be called a house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE (vs7).


MANY NATIONS shall "join themselves to the LORD" and be my people - Zechariah 2:11; Jeremiah 50:5

 

[Bob10]

FROM SABBATH TO SUNDAY:
A HISTORICAL INVESTIGATION OF THE RISE OF SUNDAY OBSERVANCE IN EARLY CHRISTIANITY

http://www2.andrews.edu/~samuele/books/ ... day/3.html

 

[will]

FROM SABBATH TO SUNDAY:
A HISTORICAL INVESTIGATION OF THE RISE OF SUNDAY OBSERVANCE IN EARLY CHRISTIANITY

http://www2.andrews.edu/~samuele/books/ ... day/3.html

Wasnt sunday choosen because that was the day jesus rose on?. As far as im aware thats why we worship on a sunday because it was that day that god defeated the devil. :P