Bible Study Why Sunday can NOT be the Lord's Day

[Bob10]

It is certainly true, the scriptures speak clearly! We all know what Paul was speaking about, it contradicts the legalistic stance.

The fact that Paul expected Gentiles to keep the law is demonstrated in many scriptures throughout the book of Romans (e.g. Rom. 3:31; 7:12, 22; etc).

Romans 2:25-29 is especially interesting and direct, though often overlooked. Here uncircumcised Gentiles are admonished to be circumcised of the heart (v. 29) and to become Jews inwardly by keeping "the righteousness of the law" (v. 26) and by fulfilling the law (v. 27). (Obviously Paul could not have meant the full Sinaitic Covenant in his use of the term "law" here, since circumcision was a part of the law.)

Only with God's Holy Spirit, through Christ, can a human being fulfill the righteousness of the law (Rom. 8:4) and "delight in the law of God after the inward man" (Rom. 7:22).


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[Elijah message]

It is certainly true, the scriptures speak clearly! We all know what Paul was speaking about, it contradicts the legalistic stance.

The fact that Paul expected Gentiles to keep the law is demonstrated in many scriptures throughout the book of Romans (e.g. Rom. 3:31; 7:12, 22; etc).

Romans 2:25-29 is especially interesting and direct, though often overlooked. Here uncircumcised Gentiles are admonished to be circumcised of the heart (v. 29) and to become Jews inwardly by keeping "the righteousness of the law" (v. 26) and by fulfilling the law (v. 27). (Obviously Paul could not have meant the full Sinaitic Covenant in his use of the term "law" here, since circumcision was a part of the law.)

Only with God's Holy Spirit, through Christ, can a human being fulfill the righteousness of the law (Rom. 8:4) and "delight in the law of God after the inward man" (Rom. 7:22).


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Well Bob, why was one circumcised in the O.T.? In other words explain what it meant for these here who it seems do not want the prophesied work done in their hearts??? Heb. 10:15-16. One saved saint was called 'a bloody husband' by his wife even!

---Elijah

 

[awisherofgrace]

Bob 10,

How do those blinders fit? A bit tight for you?

 

[Elijah message]

Elijah,

Last post on the matter:

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Elijah here: Here in lies the problem! First off is, the person or persons do not understand that the 'message' (post) is replying to the message. In other words, who is judging whom in their diet, Sabbath's' days being kept?? Israel of old were the ones keeping the 'feast days'! Not the new Church. See Acts 4. It was the incoming new Jewish converts whom kept badgering for feast day keeping and the likes of Acts 15's 'circumcism' & the 'law of Moses' meeting. It had NOTHING to do with the 'Everlasting' Covenant Sabbath.*******

1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

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Me again: Acceptance? And 'FAITH'?? Are people really believing that they can 'stay alive' long by claiming this 'promise' in total presumption, for long??? I assure you that many of even professed & REAL Christians, are killing themselves suicidially today in their 'evil' diet. (and these so called 'knowledgeable posts' are aiding in this ) And for someone to claim that such a prayer, or that just having faith will keep them living 'in sin' is just Heb. 5 'milk stuff' at best! Pray over a cup of antifreez & then drink it and see what becomes of you! (put a little cream & sugar in it to make it tast better)

See Matt. 4:6 for another 1/2 presumptous 'It is written' promise from the devil himself to Christ that is almost Word for Word as seen in Psalms 91:11!
It might be of interest for some here to question Peter on his reasoning for rejecting his three time vision from God?
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5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

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22So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

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Me again: You see? Do your thing, you have no problem from 'Paul Jr.' here. First off, most understand Paul as we see displayed over & over again! (as seen in 2 Peter 3:16) But the worst part is that .. "which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, [as they do also other scriptures], unto their own destruction." (some might even suggest Paul of being on medication, huh?)
You can be sure that God gives every person the freedom of their own choice! See Gen. 4:7 & its ENDING though! + Obadiah. 16. But again, do your own thing, whatever it is???

---Elijah
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[awisherofgrace]

Elijah,

If you are serving kool-aid, I'll take a pass.

 

[Eve777]

Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Hey, what does the above say. Does it say for Gentiles to keep the law? No it dosn't.....It doesn't tell you to put a knife on your private parts or to observe the Sabbath day...The Jews who were not under Grace had to keep the Sabbath and all the laws for that matter...

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter; Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

So, we listen to what Paul tells us. God sent him to the Gentiles....

Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Gal 2:15 We [who are] Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Now wasn't that a good question Paul asked Peter there?


Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

You are no longer under the Law...none of it....

Forget the law you silly Galatians you are freed from it....

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?


Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Are you stupid or something that having began a new life in the Spirit, you now want to return to the law? You have to be nuts....right?


Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:

Why oh why do so many fail to get this? You cannot keep one part of the law like observing the Sabbath Day and not keep the rest.....didn't Jesus himself tell you....The Sabbath Day was made so man and his servants could rest one day a week......it was made for man....Man was not made for the Sabbath Day......

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Didn't the seed come? Then we no longer need it do we? There is a new and better way.....
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Well, do You want to be in bondage? He was telling the Jews that their law keeping days were over...and the Gentiles never had to enter into that bondage......

Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Well, he didn't bestow labour in vain upon some of us. We get it....We are set free from all laws and that includes keeping of days.......

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

The Ten Commandments were part of the law given to the Jews. It does not mean that they are not just and good laws, just that all of them can be fulfilled now by one word......LOVE...love the Lord your God and love your neighbour......the Jews had to observe the Sabbath Day and keep it Holy....every day is a Holy Day for those who are redeemed.....

If you still a Jew, then observe the Sabbath...if you are a Jew or Gentile saved by Grace then don't observe days of the week.....But....don't forget to fellowship together....The Early Church set things by on the first day of the week, when seems to imply that was their day they set aside to worship...even that is not carved in stone....if you won't to get together on Wednesday or Friday....do that.....

As always, this my own humble opinion and the way I read the scriptures......I am not a teacher or preacher..

 

[Bob10]

Matt 19:17

"Why do you ask Me about what is good?" He said to him. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."


19:18
"Which ones?" he asked Him. Jesus answered, "You shall not murder; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness;

19:19
honor your father and your mother; and you shall love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[Elijah message]

All Jews huh? Adam, on! Angels = all of these here in Rev. 12:17 to boot! :fadein: Come on now, get serious! Elijah here:

Well what are they going to do with this inspiration? (smile) "And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshiped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man." Acts 10:25-26 Where do you suppose that Peter ever heard such inspiration? Maybe he had a N.T. in his shirt pocket, huh? Forget 2 Tim. 3:16's ALL? Never!!

Then there is another thought on this. Earthly man, Peter said? How about heavens folk?
"Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, (thats something! Them O.T. prophets too, huh?) and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God." Rev. 22:9 Where do you find anything about Worship in inspiration that would be commanded for angels to observe? Surely Lucifer can be saved by grace, huh? Try Heb. 6:6. Just some reverse spiritual science!

Have you ever sang the song, coming around the mountain? It reminds me of some folk today 'leaving' there flower beds. Or as the saying goes that they are coming out of the woodwork!
Hay, how about Jude 10? "These speak evil of those things which they know not...Woe unto them....." O' that was angels again? Angels were in the O.T. book & back a space or two perhaps? And were surely Jews, huh?? (kidding of course!!

"For if after they have escaped the pollution's of this world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, [the latter end is worse with them than the beginning]. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than after they have known it, to turn from the Holy commandment delivered unto them. But it happened unto them according to the proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; (don't miss this one, haw!) and the [sow that was washed to her] wallowing in the mire."
2 Peter 2:21-22.

One thing is for sure, these ones will not have long to wait to find out what law it is that they will be judged by! James 2: 8-12

"And they shall be as though they had not been." Obed. 16 But this is there own decision that they had made!
If we could just grasp this? Lay in bed & think what it would be like to just not be!? To never, never exist again! Then, maybe 'we' would see just how 'straight talk' needs to be done for these folk while we still have time? (or rather that they still do?)

---Elijah

 

[Vic C.]

Hi Eve. Interesting post there. Sounds like someone else. (me- :-D ) I have been 'riding the fence' on this issue. There were two points you made that struck me. But before I respond, let me clarify what my studies on the word Sabbath taught me. It is a bit long, but please bear with me. (that's for all who read this)

The word Sabbath, in it's purest meaning, means...to rest or cease, desist. Originally, the Hebrews were restricted from even traveling on the Sabbath, which would make community worship a violation of the Law. As synagogues came into being, they 'extented' their property so that they could travel to their synagogues to include worship on the Sabbath without 'leaving home', so to speak. Many Jews still to this to this day. Think of it as a sort of 'legal loophole'. :wink:

Sabbath does NOT mean 'worship'. Some will say that the word 'holy' as it is used in the OT, indicates we should worship on the Sabbath. They will tell you this...

To make holy is to set apart to the service or worship of God.

But is this the way the word was really used in the OT? Here is something I posted a while back...

...how does that definition stack up to the other 610 times Holy is used in the Bible? Better yet, let's narrow that down to just three instances in the OT.

First...
Exo 3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

Holy here is from the Hebrew word qodesh, meaning "a sacred place or thing". (Strong’s #6944)

Second...
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Holy here is qadosh, which means "ceremonially or morally sacred". (Strong’s #6918)

Third...
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Hebrew word here is qadash, meaning "to be clean (ceremonially or morally)." (Strong’s #6942)

So here you have it...three Hebrew words, all translated as 'holy'...

• qodesh
  qadosh
  &
  qadash

all of them with different meanings. None of them actually referring to a command of worshipping. God says what He means, as He is not the author of confusion, nor does He contradict Himself. If He meant 'worship', why not just use the word. After all, it is used 108 times in the Bible.

This is why you cannot always use contemporary meanings for words without first understanding the use of the original word.

The Ten Commandments were part of the law given to the Jews. It does not mean that they are not just and good laws, just that all of them can be fulfilled now by one word......LOVE...love the Lord your God and love your neighbour......the Jews had to observe the Sabbath Day and keep it Holy....every day is a Holy Day for those who are redeemed.....

The Ten Commandments were actually given to Moses, long before there were any 'Jews'. But they are meant for ALL of God's children. Jesus ratified this several times in the NT. "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind" and "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself" encompasses ALL Ten. The first four are summerized in "Love the Lord" and the last six are summerized in "Love thy neighbor". For if you Love the Lord, you will obey the first four and if you love your neighbor, you will obey the last six.

If you still a Jew, then observe the Sabbath...if you are a Jew or Gentile saved by Grace then don't observe days of the week.....But....don't forget to fellowship together....The Early Church set things by on the first day of the week, when seems to imply that was their day they set aside to worship...even that is not carved in stone....if you won't to get together on Wednesday or Friday....do that.....

The problem here is that many people confuse God's Law with Levitical Law (Mosaic Law as a whole). They are not the same set of Laws. The Law was broken up into three parts...moral, the social, and the ceremonial laws. God's eternal Laws are the moral ones. God's Law never changes. Levitical law, the ceremonial and social ones, are the ones I believe are what Paul was talking about.

Now some may say that some the dietary and some of the ceremonial laws are still to be observed. This seems to be a never-ending debate. But I can not find anywhere where the Lord changed His Sabbath, Day of rest. Yes this day was meant for us, for Man and yes, He did set aside a specific day to rest.

Now, with all that said, do I believe I am free to worship any day? As far as I understand God's true intention for the Sabbath, I say yes. But if anyone or any government were to institute Sunday as the ONLY day to worship...well there goes my 'freedom' to worship when I choose. And if it were made mandatory that we MUST work on Saturday...then I guess we are in deep poo-poo.

Remember way back when, when there were 'Blue Laws'? History does have a way of repeating itself. :o

 

[Elijah message]

Elijah here:

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A partial quote of another: "The word Sabbath, in it's purest meaning, means...to rest or cease, desist. Originally, the Hebrews were restricted from even traveling on the Sabbath, which would make community worship a violation of the Law. As synagogues came into being, they 'extended' their property so that they could travel to their synagogues to include worship on the Sabbath without 'leaving home', so to speak. Many Jews still do this to this day. Think of it as a sort of 'legal loophole'.

Sabbath does NOT mean 'worship'. Some will say that the word 'holy' as it is used in the OT, indicates we should worship on the Sabbath. They will tell you this...

To make holy is to set apart to the service or worship of God. .. "

But is this the way the word was really used in the OT?
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This is taken from my Bible, the Jewish Holy Scripture.
"And the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and hollowed it; because that in it He rested from all His work which God in creating made."

Hallow: 1 : CONSECRATE 2 : REVERE-- Webster.

Notice a verse from an earthly monarch in Daniel 6:8 (K.J.)

"Now, O King, establish the decree, and sign the writing, that it be not changed, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not."

But surely God can do no less, huh?

Ecclesiastes 3:14 in part.
"I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it:.."

And Revelation 22:18-19 in part. Remember.. "God shall take away his part out of the book of life,..'' ... "If any man add unto these things, ... And if any man shall take away from the Words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, .."

My question is, why keep a day that God requires to be kept, for the only reason being, is because it is forced that one shall not keep it by Caesar??? What kind of love would that be???? And God created a Jewish Sabbath here??

 

[Vic C.]

I'm not sure I get the gist of your post, but did you read my entire post including this?

...But I can not find anywhere where the Lord changed His Sabbath, Day of rest. Yes this day was meant for us, for Man and yes, He did set aside a specific day to rest.

Now, with all that said, do I believe I am free to worship any day? As far as I understand God's true intention for the Sabbath, I say yes. But if anyone or any government were to institute Sunday as the ONLY day to worship...well there goes my 'freedom' to worship when I choose. And if it were made mandatory that we MUST work on Saturday...then I guess we are in deep poo-poo.

Remember way back when, when there were 'Blue Laws'? History does have a way of repeating itself.

 

[Bob10]

Might there come a time when sunday-keeping christians, who are the majority, will persecute and imprison sabbath-keeping christians ?

Sabbath-keeping christians will be seen to be judaizing (jewish) and be persecuted for this.

 

[Elijah message]

Might there come a time when sunday-keeping christians, who are the majority, will persecute and imprison sabbath-keeping christians ?

Sabbath-keeping christians will be seen to be judaizing (jewish) and be persecuted for this.

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Christians you ask?? Anyhow...

But surely, to your question! Especially when they 'think' that this 'forcing' is vital to stop God's judgements that are unbearable!

---Elijah

 

[Eve777]

"Why do you ask Me about what is good?" He said to him. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

When Jesus said this he was talking to the Jews. Since he had not yet been crucified, they were all still under the law. After he died, all who accepted his sacrifice were now under Grace....they had to keep the commandments until he brought in a new and better way.
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The commandments points us to the spiritual truth that salvation is by Grace not by Works (Hebrews 4:1-13)

In Hebrews 4 we are told that the true "Sabbath rest" comes through Christ. The real Sabbath rest is when we come to rest in the finished work of Christ on our behalf. We enter the true Sabbath rest when we stop trying to earn salvation and put our hope, confidence and trust in what Christ has done for us.

Paul told us,

Col. 2:16, 17 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Paul contends that the Sabbath was ultimately pointing us to Christ. It is designed to teach us the important lesson of salvation that we are saved by grace and not by works.

 

[evanman]

Heb 4:1 ¶ Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

 

[guibox]

"Why do you ask Me about what is good?" He said to him. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

When Jesus said this he was talking to the Jews. Since he had not yet been crucified, they were all still under the law. After he died, all who accepted his sacrifice were now under Grace....they had to keep the commandments until he brought in a new and better way.

I fail to see how being under grace gives us lee-way to break the law. Being 'under the law' is being under the 'condemnation of the law'. Paul says "Do I make void the law through faith? Nay, I establish (or uphold) the law" and he also said, "The law is holy, just and good".

Paul's point throughout the epistles is not to do away with the law, but to see the law in its proper perspective. We don't keep the law to be saved, that is why we are 'under grace'. Those who have the 'law written in their hearts' are new creatures in Christ. "Now therefore, there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus". When we walk in the spirit, we are no longer slaves to the power of sin which brings us down through the knowledge of the law. The law points us to Christ so we are no longer under the condemnation that the law brings. Only Christ can free us from that power. Only He could pay the debt we can't.

However, this doesn't mean that we shouldn't keep the law. The law is there to point us to Christ and remind us of our sin. It is ludicrous to think that doing away with the moral law brings us 'freedom in grace'. Removing the law only serves to promote rebellion. "Sin is transgression of the law". Paul was never trying to do awa with the ten commandments, but to put them in their proper perspective as what their role is in accordance to Christ.

Col. 2:16, 17 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Paul contends that the Sabbath was ultimately pointing us to Christ. It is designed to teach us the important lesson of salvation that we are saved by grace and not by works.

Eve, I encourage you to look at my thread here concerning Colossians 2. It might shed some light on it for you.
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=12206

 

[Bob10]

sunday worship was imported just like December 25 was, and Easter - Ishtar - was.

This apostate christianity is just the ancient world religion under a new name.

Wide is the door that leads to destruction and many there be that find it.

But narrow is the gate that leads to life, and few there be that find it.

 

[Vic C.]

sunday worship was imported just like December 25 was, and Easter - Ishtar - was.

This apostate christianity is just the ancient world religion under a new name.

Wide is the door that leads to destruction and many there be that find it.

But narrow is the gate that leads to life, and few there be that find it.

I agree with you Bob, except the Sunday worship thing. First day Sabbath is what you should be concerned with.

 

[jgnov99]

Col. 2:16, 17 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Paul contends that the Sabbath was ultimately pointing us to Christ. It is designed to teach us the important lesson of salvation that we are saved by grace and not by works.

Eve, I encourage you to look at my thread here concerning Colossians 2. It might shed some light on it for you.
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=12206[/quote]

With all due respect, gentlemen, I would maintain that the lady has the truth of it. The literal translation of verses 16 & 17 is as follows:

2:16 [NOT] [THEREFORE] [ANYONE] [LET JUDGE] [IN] [MEAT] [DRINK] [OR] [IN] [RESPECT] [OF FEAST] [OR] [NEW MOON] [OR] [SABBATHS]
2:17 [WHICH] [ARE] [A SHADOW] [OF THINGS] [TO COME] [BUT]
[THE] [BODY "IS"] [OF THE] [CHRIST]

grace and peace

 

[Vic C.]

A good question would be...

Which Sabbath was Paul referring to? Was it the weekly Sabbath or the Ceremonial Sabbaths? Notice he says, "a Sabbath day" not 'the Sabbath'.

With all of these references to the observance of the Saturday Sabbath found in the history of the Jewish people, the life of Christ, and the practices of disciples and other followers of Christ, one would naturally assume that Christian churches would have continued with the Jewish Sabbath. So tightly linked is Saturday to the Sabbath that in over 100 languages (one source says 160) the name for Saturday is some variation of the word "Sabbath." (English is one exception; Saturday is named after the Roman Pagan god Saturn).

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sabbath.htm