Why was Jesus Baptized?

[BornAgain]

I was on another thread, God's Conditional Grace and there was much confusion and opinions on baptism. After reading a few scriptures myself I wanted to start a new thread since I have not been able to get any person of any faith or denomination as to why Jesus was baptized.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

To fulfill all righteousness.

 

[BornAgain]

To fulfill all righteousness.

How did his baptism fulfill righteousness?

 

[Webb]

Because all of God's commands are "righteousness", Ps.119:172.

 

[cupid dave]

I was on another thread, God's Conditional Grace and there was much confusion and opinions on baptism. After reading a few scriptures myself I wanted to start a new thread since I have not been able to get any person of any faith or denomination as to why Jesus was baptized.

John was holding people under until they "saw the light" in a Near Death Experience.
He held Jesus under and the light entered into him and transfigured him into the son of God, no longer the mere son-of-man.

 

[cupid dave]

To fulfill all righteousness.

Christ fulfilled all rightousness with the baptism of his Hand:

 

[WIP]

John was holding people under until they "saw the light" in a Near Death Experience.

Can you show this with scripture?

 

[Eventide]

How did his baptism fulfill righteousness?

I'm sure it did in an infinite number of glorious ways... although what I see is the Lord Jesus Christ taking the lowest place, associating Himself with His own creatures, rubbing shoulders together as one brother mentions..

I think Paul says it best here..

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[BornAgain]

I'm sure it did in an infinite number of glorious ways... although what I see is the Lord Jesus Christ taking the lowest place, associating Himself with His own creatures, rubbing shoulders together as one brother mentions..

I think Paul says it best here..

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Thanks Eventide, I was looking forward to your response! I think obedience is the key word here...:yes

 

[Eventide]

Thanks Eventide, I was looking forward to your response! I think obedience is the key word here...:yes

No question about it !

This is an excellent portion of scripture to show a new believer in Christ because it speaks of us having THAT same mind... the mind of Christ..

On the other side of the coin though is a very hard lesson to learn imo, and it could take years..

If we start thinking in OUR MIND (and not with His), that OUR OBEDIENCE is what saves us... then when you fall into sin (and believe me, it easily besets us)... you're going to also believe that you're not saved...

That's where it gets a little bumpy imo... but again, you're in Good Hands !

 

[cupid dave]

Can you show this with scripture?

Well we know John was doing full immersions since he waded into the Jordan.

But even there, different churches will still conceive of other ways to interpret what john was doing.


The circumstancial evidence is that John must have held a pharisee under too long so he got arrested for murder.
And we know that Jesus changed the procedure to baptizing the feet.

So that is the basis for my hypothesis.

 

[WIP]

Well we know John was doing full immersions since he waded into the Jordan.

But even there, different churches will still conceive of other ways to interpret what john was doing.


The circumstancial evidence is that John must have held a pharisee under too long so he got arrested for murder.
And we know that Jesus changed the procedure to baptizing the feet.

So that is the basis for my hypothesis.

You have a different version than I and it would appear you might be reading more into it than is there to see. As I understand it, Herod had John arrested because John called him out regarding his relationship with his brother's wife. See Matthew 14:1-4

 

[cupid dave]

You have a different version than I and it would appear you might be reading more into it than is there to see. As I understand it, Herod had John arrested because John called him out regarding his relationship with his brother's wife. See Matthew 14:1-4

1) The bible is a little vague in regard to when that would have happened and the Gospels seem to tell us John was very focused on his baptizing at the Jordan and talking repentence, not complaining about Herod.

I think it is more likely that once John had been incarcerated he did say stuff about Herod and Salami, and the guards got that message to her.
When else would John have had the opportuntiy to speak to Herod, since clesrly, Herod did not come to the Jordan:

4 For John had said to him, (i.e.; Herod), It is not lawful or right for you to have her.





2) But even you must admit that thru the Ages the people have passed down that otherwise strange expression, "Brother, have YOU seen the Light?"

 

[rrowell]

Well we know John was doing full immersions since he waded into the Jordan.

But even there, different churches will still conceive of other ways to interpret what john was doing.


The circumstancial evidence is that John must have held a pharisee under too long so he got arrested for murder.
And we know that Jesus changed the procedure to baptizing the feet.

So that is the basis for my hypothesis.

Where in the bible did Jesus change "the procedure to baptizing the feet."???

Foot washing was a custom, Jesus showed humbleness by washing the feet of those who should be washing his...

 

[pokemons]

Ooh this is a very interesting one..

4 forms of elemental human consciousness
Earth
Water
Air
Fire

Your mind goes from the Earth into the Water. From the Water into the Air..

"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him"

Air consciousness is best thought by me through the term "Air-head". Jesus of course taught to "Take no thought"

It's like a blissful heaven where thoughts from the carnal mind have been "washed away". Best accessed by meditation or "Being Still"

"The like figure unto which even baptism does also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"

Then from the Air into a "Baptism of Fire".

Unsurprisingly it's Nazarene Essene in origin relating to Biblical scripture, probably developed as a nod towards ancient Greek thought on elements and consciousness. Very clever people! What's funny is I don't think it's mentioned or pursued in the Jewish law.
Imagine how they felt! lol

 

[chakham]

You know, that has been a question of mine for sometime now. Frankly I dont know why he was baptized, since those details are not written down.

Heres what I know and my reasoning. I know Yeshua was a Jew. I know immersion in a mikvah or another water source was done on occasion as a purity ritual. There are several commandments given in Torah which tells us when theses ritual immersions would have had to been done.

So far my understanding is traditionally nobody ever assisted the person in the water, it is a ritual carried out by the one stepping into the waters. I seem to think too if a Jewish man or woman was to immerse themselves in public especially with Pharisees and Sadducees nearby they would have most certainly done it in accordance with the law of Moses. For if anyone added something to or diminished anything from those laws they most likely would have been brought before the authorities if not stoned on the spot.

I think he would have had to have been 'baptized' in accordance with what the laws of Moses prescribed. But as for knowing which occasion, I really have no idea.

 

[WIP]

The answer to this thread seems to be rather clearly stated right here.

M't:3:13: Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
M't:3:14: But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
M't:3:15: And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
M't:3:16: And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
M't:3:17: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 

[chakham]

According to my feeble way of thinking and reasoning. Anyone one who immersed themselves in water according to the commandments IMO would have been fullfilling righteouness. I am assuming he was a Torah observant Jew which leaves me wondering what exactly which commandment he was following that others around him including the Pharisees didnt seem to mind or think out of the ordinary.

 

[Eventide]

According to my feeble way of thinking and reasoning. Anyone one who immersed themselves in water according to the commandments IMO would have been fullfilling righteouness. I am assuming he was a Torah observant Jew which leaves me wondering what exactly which commandment he was following that others around him including the Pharisees didnt seem to mind or think out of the ordinary.

And look at how marvelously this played out right before the eyes of those who would NOT submit themselves to the baptism of John... which was a baptism of REPENTANCE for Israel...

Remember when the Pharisees asked the Lord a question and He told them that He would answer if they would answer Him one thing... about the BAPTISM of John, whether it was from GOD or men...

 

[BornAgain]

The answer to this thread seems to be rather clearly stated right here.

M't:3:13: Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
M't:3:14: But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
M't:3:15: And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
M't:3:16: And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
M't:3:17: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Matthew 3:13-Jesus was baptized not because he was a sinner but it was the will of God that He be baptized and He came to do the will of God.(Hebrews 10:7).

Matthew 3:14

John did not want to baptize Jesus-he knew Jesus was sinless. But after being filled with the Holy Spirit and baptized Jesus, John knew then for certain that Jesus was the Messiah. (John 1:33)

Matthew 3:15

Suffer it now means to permit it now. The baptism was a duty of John and Jesus was going to help John do his duty. Jesus had no sin to be forgiven, but he must obey the command of God; "though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered" (Hebrews 5:8). Jesus begins to learn here the obedience to God's will.

For thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness

Jesus said to John that it becometh "us" to fulfill the righteousness of God. John had a part in the preparation of the people for the coming of Jesus, and also a part in announcing and pointing out Jesus as the Messiah. John thought it would be presumption on his part to baptize Jesus. But Jesus says to John that it is fitting to both John and Jesus to perform this act. As stated in Mathew 21:25 & John 1:33 John's baptism was of heaven not from man. It was fitting that Jesus should fill up the full measure of righteousness in all its forms by accepting the baptism of John. John recognized the force of Jesus' words and baptized him.

Matthew 3:16

Straightaway or right away.

Matthew 3:17

All should respect and honor that will by obeying and honoring it. Jesus Christ in this revelation places obeying the will of God as the highest, holiest, best motive that can lead man in the service of God. When this motive leads to obedience, it includes all other motives and blessings and gives blessings and obedience that is acceptable to God