Will all born-again Christians make it to heaven?

[John Zain]

Do all born-again Christians pass the tests in the following Scriptures?

“… that He (Jesus) should give eternal life to as many as You (Father) have given Him.
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John 17:2-3)
Do all born-agains really know both the Father and the Son?

“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish …” (John 10:27)
Do all born-agains really hear Jesus’ voice?
Does Jesus really “know” all born-agains?
Do all born-agains really follow Jesus?

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day,
‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name,
and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them,
‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ ” (Matthew 7:21-23)
Do all born-agains really do the will of the Father?
Does Jesus really “know” all born-agains?

“… if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven
may also forgive you your trespasses.” (Matthew 6:14-15)
Do all born-agains really forgive everyone?

“… which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost,
whether he has enough to finish it …?” (Luke 14:27)
Have all born-agains first sat down and counted the cost of discipleship?
Do all born-agains really have enough to finish the race?

“Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize?
Run in such a way that you may obtain it.” (1 Corinthians 9:24)

“Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses,
let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us,
and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us …” (Hebrews 12:1)
Do all born-agains really lay aside every weight and deceiving sin?

“… work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you
both to will and to do (work) for His good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:12-13)
Do all born-agains really work out their salvation with fear and trembling?

“Pursue … holiness, without which no one will see the Lord …” (Hebrews 12:14)
Do all born-agains really pursue holiness?

“… eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory”
(Romans 2:7)
Do all born-agains really patiently continue to do good and seek glory?

“Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
For if you live according to the flesh you will die;
but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.” (Romans 8:12-14)
Do any born-agains live according to the flesh?
Do all born-agains really put to death the flesh?
Are all born-agains really led by the Spirit of God?

“He who overcomes shall inherit all things,
and I will be his God and he shall be My son.” (Revelation 21:7)
Are all born-agains really overcoming … are they overcomers?

This is only an appetizer ... there are probably a hundred more warning passages!

This morning ... the revelation only became stronger and clearer ...
the Holy Spirit is given to some people ONLY so they MAY be sanctified unto holiness
... but many do not take advantage of it ... thus, many reject their potential salvation!

 

[for_his_glory]

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Many give lip service only and the works they do they do for themselves not glorifying God in any of it. The cup might look clean on the outside, but full of dead mans bones on the inside. Only God knows who are His by judging the intents of our heart.

 

[John Zain]

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Many give lip service only and the works they do they do for themselves not glorifying God in any of it. The cup might look clean on the outside, but full of dead mans bones on the inside. Only God knows who are His by judging the intents of our heart.

Yes, who really knows who the wheat are and who the tares are.
Ditto for the wise virgins and the foolish ones.
etc. etc.

 

[ezra]

the question Will all born-again Christians make it to heaven? the answer------- yes

 

[John Zain]

the question Will all born-again Christians make it to heaven? the answer------- yes

And the debbie dittos your feelings ... and that's okay ... I wouldn't dare say it's not okay.

 

[ezra]

if a person is born again was the question.... john 3:3 had you said will everybody that says they are born again make it. the answer would be different. do you question your salvation?

Do all born-agains really work out their salvation with fear and trembling?

what do you consider work out? can we lead a sinful lifestyle 24/7 still be saved?--NO will we do sin or do things that are not of Holiness ? yes the key word is practice . GRACE/ MERCY are a valuable treasure to have . its is written we have a advocate if we sin... there is true salvation and head salvation . if one asked am i secure in my salvation in Christ..my answer will be YES. am i secure of my own merit ? NO

 

[John Zain]

Ezra,

What I'm talking about boils down to questions such as this ...

Do some born-again believers refuse to habitually repent of their sins (1 John 1:9)?

Do some born-again believers just habitually sin?

Do some born-again believers refuse to co-operate with the Holy Spirit
in their sanctification process towards holiness?

This is just a heads-up for everyone!

 

[Grappler]

Do all born-again Christians pass the tests in the following Scriptures?

“… that He (Jesus) should give eternal life to as many as You (Father) have given Him.
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John 17:2-3)
Do all born-agains really know both the Father and the Son?

“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish …” (John 10:27)
Do all born-agains really hear Jesus’ voice?
Does Jesus really “know” all born-agains?
Do all born-agains really follow Jesus?

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day,
‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name,
and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them,
‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ ” (Matthew 7:21-23)
Do all born-agains really do the will of the Father?
Does Jesus really “know” all born-agains?

“… if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven
may also forgive you your trespasses.” (Matthew 6:14-15)
Do all born-agains really forgive everyone?

“… which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost,
whether he has enough to finish it …?” (Luke 14:27)
Have all born-agains first sat down and counted the cost of discipleship?
Do all born-agains really have enough to finish the race?

“Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize?
Run in such a way that you may obtain it.” (1 Corinthians 9:24)

“Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses,
let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us,
and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us …” (Hebrews 12:1)
Do all born-agains really lay aside every weight and deceiving sin?

“… work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you
both to will and to do (work) for His good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:12-13)
Do all born-agains really work out their salvation with fear and trembling?

“Pursue … holiness, without which no one will see the Lord …” (Hebrews 12:14)
Do all born-agains really pursue holiness?

“… eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory”
(Romans 2:7)
Do all born-agains really patiently continue to do good and seek glory?

“Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
For if you live according to the flesh you will die;
but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.” (Romans 8:12-14)
Do any born-agains live according to the flesh?
Do all born-agains really put to death the flesh?
Are all born-agains really led by the Spirit of God?

“He who overcomes shall inherit all things,
and I will be his God and he shall be My son.” (Revelation 21:7)
Are all born-agains really overcoming … are they overcomers?

This is only an appetizer ... there are probably a hundred more warning passages!

This morning ... the revelation only became stronger and clearer ...
the Holy Spirit is given to some people ONLY so they MAY be sanctified unto holiness
... but many do not take advantage of it ... thus, many reject their potential salvation!

No. If you are a Muslim.

 

[ezra]

Do some born-again believers refuse to repent of their sins (1 John 1:9)? i am sure but if they refuse and keep going was they ever saved?

Do some born-again believers refuse to co-operate with the Holy Spirit..i am sure do you always obey ? ( i fail at times) paul preached to the Corinth church bout all this.. { being carnal}
in their sanctification process towards holiness?

sanctification process towards holiness

basically are the same. i understand what your saying.. we are all bad about looking at others.. when we need to focus on our self. if we see a brother who has slipped we who are spiritual are to help restore him--- Galatians 6:1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.

 

[Guest]

Don't bash John guys, he is only speaking truth. When you're a believer, it's sometimes scary to repent of your bad deeds and take up your cross again. The Lord's power is strong and holy. Do you not know that your body is a holy temple now? However, if you're living in Christ, you will die in Christ and with Christ. His blood is his promise. Repentance and renewal of spirit is very important yes. You may quench the spirit at times, but the holy Spirit will never leave your body. Rather, he will teach you of sin and sanctify you. I have repentance of my own to take care of, and with God's mercy I will get there. Blessings.

 

[iLOVE]

There are many carnal Christians...it's a process. God has away of getting everyones attention. Question for all? Will Jesus throw you in the lake of fire for not praying for the President of the United States, authorities, and all people?

2 I urge you, first of all, to pray for all people. Ask God to help them; intercede on their behalf, and give thanks for them. 2 Pray this way for kings and all who are in authority so that we can live peaceful and quiet lives marked by godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth. 1 Timothy 2:1-4 NLT

 

[John 8:32]

Not a one of them will go to heaven...

Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

Now they will live and reign on the earth...

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[Asyncritus]

Now if I read this right:

Jn 3.13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven...

that means that Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Daniel, Jeremiah ............

If not one of them has gone to heaven,

why should we expect to go there?

 

[John Zain]

Now if I read this right:
Jn 3.13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven...
that means that Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Daniel, Jeremiah ............
If not one of them has gone to heaven,
why should we expect to go there?

Jesus was talking about living men ... He was the only man living who had already been there.
Therefore, He was the only One qualified to actually talk about heaven.
Also, the kingdom of heaven is much different ... it is on earth.

 

[ezra]

when it comes to judgement as per who of what Christians will make it to heaven. we have no authority on that. Christ will be the judge.

 

[iLOVE]

The tribulation saints who came to Christ doing "The Great Tribulation" are saved. These saints were unbelievers before the "Rapture". They refuse to worship and take the mark of the beast during these dark times. They became believers! Revelation 7:9-17

"And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

 

[Asyncritus]

Now if I read this right:
Jn 3.13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven...
that means that Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Daniel, Jeremiah ............
If not one of them has gone to heaven,
why should we expect to go there?

Jesus was talking about living men ...

That wasn't Jesus talking - it's John's own comment.

And I'm not sure what you mean by 'he was talking about living men.' Of course no living man had gone up to heaven - if they were living, they couldn't yet be dead, could they?

No, that won't do. It means precisely what it says: as scripture always does.

13 And yet no one has ever gone up to heaven, but there is One Who has come down from heaven—the Son of Man <Himself>, Who is (dwells, has His home) in heaven. Amplified

13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. ESV

13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven--the Son of Man. HCSB

13 "No one has ever gone up into the presence of God except the One who came down from that Presence, the Son of Man. MSG

13 No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the Son of man. RSV

So they're all pretty unanimous on the point. NO ONE has gone up/ascended into heaven, absolutely NO ONE.

 

[Mitspa]

No not all born-again "christains" will be with Christ in heaven. For those who where justified freely by His grace, and received the free-gift of righteouness, and turn back to legalism and the written code have fallen from grace and are cutoff from Christ. They have rejected the "way of righteouness" and are going about to establish their own righteousness by the law. 2 Pet 2:21-22
It would been better for these people to have never been born than to have heard the Holy Commandment THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, HEAR HIM.
For these are those who will come to Him and say "lord lord" did we not do these things in your name? And He will say depart from me, you cursed children.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW ARE UNDER ITS CURSE.

 

[John Zain]

No not all born-again "christains" will be with Christ in heaven. For those who where justified freely by His grace, and received the free-gift of righteouness, and turn back to legalism and the written code have fallen from grace and are cutoff from Christ. They have rejected the "way of righteouness" and are going about to establish their own righteousness by the law. 2 Pet 2:21-22
It would been better for these people to have never been born than to have heard the Holy Commandment THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, HEAR HIM.
For these are those who will come to Him and say "lord lord" did we not do these things in your name? And He will say depart from me, you cursed children.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW ARE UNDER ITS CURSE.

Yes, of course you are correct, but broaden your scope a bit wider.
One can be rejected for more than just your reason.

Like just refusing to co-operate with the Holy Spirit in the sanctification process.
Or, another way of stating it is ... insisting on walking in the flesh and sinning!
Habitually sinning is not the same at all as going back to the Law.

Born-again Christians need to be warned that doctrines such as OSAS will send them to Hell.

Verses such as John 3:16 are taken out of context with the rest of the NT,
unless one is clear that "believe" means faith, trust, follow, and OBEY.

 

[Mitspa]

No not all born-again "christains" will be with Christ in heaven. For those who where justified freely by His grace, and received the free-gift of righteouness, and turn back to legalism and the written code have fallen from grace and are cutoff from Christ. They have rejected the "way of righteouness" and are going about to establish their own righteousness by the law. 2 Pet 2:21-22
It would been better for these people to have never been born than to have heard the Holy Commandment THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, HEAR HIM.
For these are those who will come to Him and say "lord lord" did we not do these things in your name? And He will say depart from me, you cursed children.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW ARE UNDER ITS CURSE.

Yes, of course you are correct, but broaden your scope a bit wider.
One can be rejected for more than just your reason.

Like just refusing to co-operate with the Holy Spirit in the sanctification process.
Or, another way of stating it is ... insisting on walking in the flesh and sinning!
Habitually sinning is not the same at all as going back to the Law.

Born-again Christians need to be warned that doctrines such as OSAS will send them to Hell.

Verses such as John 3:16 are taken out of context with the rest of the NT,
unless one is clear that "believe" means faith, trust, follow, and OBEY.

Believeing a doctrine such as OSAS wil notl send anyone to hell! Thats just promoting a spirit of fear. For the doctrine is sound if it is based upon Gods grace "the Spirit of grace" and not on some nonsense of mans tradition, such as we hear from these "elect" folks.
Being saved because one is a part of a certain church or one thinks themselves part of the "elect" is as much folly as those who think they can "earn" righteousness through the law.

I will agree that those who think the doctrines of the gospel are an excuse to walk in the lust of their flesh, are not and should not have confidence that Gods grace covers such actions. For God is not mocked by mans attempts to excuse away their sinful desires by man made doctrines and traditions.

Having said that, the power over sin is not found in legalism or the law, it is found in true and sincere desires to live godly lives by the power of His Grace.

FOR SIN WILL NOT HAVE DOMINION OVER YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT UNDER LAW BUT UNDER GRACE.