Will He stand on the mount of Olives or...Mount Zion???

[whirlwind]

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads.

Zechariah 14:4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

• What does this mean? Both are about His return and yet in one verse He stands on mount Sion/Zion. In the other "His feet" stand on the mount of Olives. Is there an error in the Scriptures?

 

[Bick]

In my opinion.....BOTH, but not at the same time.

I can see that Christ Jesus will come down from heaven and stand on one side of the split Mount of Olives, and with His army of angels all around him.

Then He and His army will slay the anti-christ's armies gathered at Jerusalem.

Later, He will stand on Mount Zion with the 144,000 who have been protected from all the plagues and woes.

 

[whirlwind]

In my opinion.....BOTH, but not at the same time.
I can see that Christ Jesus will come down from heaven and stand on one side of the split Mount of Olives, and with His army of angels all around him.
Then He and His army will slay the anti-christ's armies gathered at Jerusalem.
Later, He will stand on Mount Zion with the 144,000 who have been protected from all the plagues and woes.

When you say, "Both," I agree...that is what is being said. The first time will be to those (in those) that "look for Him."

• Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin, unto salvation.

He appears "within" those that "look for Him." They are His kingdom.

• Luke 17:20-21 And when He was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, 'Lo, here!' or, 'lo there!' for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." (24) For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in His day.

As the kingdom of God is within us, is not an announced (cometh with observation) event I believe the lightning which means...a bright shining.....is Christ in us. In His day, He is in us, those that "look for Him," and we who are/will shine do so in the capacity of "His feet" which stand in "that day upon the mount of Olives."

• Zechariah 14:4-5 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.

A few things to notice in those verses...the saints come with the Lord so they are not those standing on the mount of Olives. They meet "His feet." Also...

The earthquake mentioned in Zechariah, where it states "as ye fled from before the earthquake" is also mentioned in [Amos 1:1] where it is written "two years before the earthquake." Those are the only references I found to that earthquake and, as it was mentioned twice (two witnesses) it has to be very important. Notice in the Zechariah passage that they "fled from before the earthquake." You don't flee from an earthquake as it happens instantaneously...you can't outrun it. This is no ordinary quake. :o

 

[Drew]

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads.

Zechariah 14:4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

• What does this mean? Both are about His return and yet in one verse He stands on mount Sion/Zion. In the other "His feet" stand on the mount of Olives. Is there an error in the Scriptures?

I have argued in detail in another thread that the Zechariah 14 prophecy about God standing on the Mount of Olives was already fulfilled when Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives as recorded in Matthew 24 and parallels.

Perhaps the arguments will be repeated here.

 

[whirlwind]

In the above post I wrote......

The earthquake mentioned in Zechariah, where it states "as ye fled from before the earthquake" is also mentioned in [Amos 1:1] where it is written "two years before the earthquake." Those are the only references I found to that earthquake and, as it was mentioned twice (two witnesses) it has to be very important. Notice in the Zechariah passage that they "fled from before the earthquake." You don't flee from an earthquake as it happens instantaneously...you can't outrun it. This is no ordinary quake.

Did the earthquake literally happen? Yes, but it was a type, an example, of what will again happen but it will be a spiritual shaking. Where else do we read of this or of a similar event?

• Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Flee to the mountains...just as written in Zechariah 14. "And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee." So we see that the fleeing from the earthquake is an "end time" event. The question would be...flee to what mountain?

Mountains are symbolic of nations. There is only one nation that will not be shaken!

• Haggai 2:6-7 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; 'Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land; And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.
  
  2:21-22 "Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, 'I will shake the heavens and the earth; And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destoy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen; and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders shall come down, every one by the sword of his brother. In that day, 'saith the LORD of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel, My servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet: for I have chosen thee, saith the LORD of hosts.' "
  
  Revelation 6:12 (666) And I beheld when He had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
  
  Hebrews 12:26-28 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven." And this word, "Yet once more," signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

That is the nation we are to flee to, the one "which cannot be moved." Another reference to the great shaking that will come is found in Psalms 46, which ends with....The LORD of hosts is with us; The God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.

But...back to the standing on the mount. From the Zechariah 14 verses we saw that it is "His feet" that stand on the mount before "the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee." This is possible as He is in them and they in Him. He first arrives in His witnesses. They are part of the kingdom of God and that kingdom has been building for a long time but, as the Scripture said....[Zechariah 14:4] And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives. This is a specific time being written of! When His feet stand is when....He has gathered "all nations against Jerusalem to battle," and "the city" has been taken!

This is when we see (understand) the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not and that happens as written in Revelation 6:12 (666)...when there is the great earthquake, the great spiritual shaking of deception causing the great apostasy of believers. That is when the moon turns to blood...Satan turns to mankind!

• Zechariah 14:3-4 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle. And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives.....

What of the other Scripture about the arrival of Jesus, when He is on mount Sion/Zion...not the mount of Olives?

• Revelation 14:1-2 And I looked, and lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps.

What is meant by "many waters?" Scripture tells us....And he saith unto me, "The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues [Revelation 17:15]. What is the "voice of a great thunder?" I believe it is...the seventh trumpet sounding at His second Advent. The same "Whose voice then shook the earth" of [Hebrews 12:26]. The "Lamb" of course is our Savior.

As all this symbology is used I believe it also extends to...His feet, the city of Jerusalem, the mount of Olives and mount Zion. His "feet" are his witnesses, the many "two witnesses," and they stand upon the mount of Olives....His nation of olive trees, believers!

• Psalms 76:1-2 In Judah is God known: His name is great in Israel. In Salem also is His tabernacle, And His dwelling place in Zion.

Editing in....I meant to enclose the name of a thread written a few days ago, Where God dwells, in which the Psalms 76 verse is explained. It has a direct corolation to being in His believers.

 

[whirlwind]

I have argued in detail in another thread that the Zechariah 14 prophecy about God standing on the Mount of Olives was already fulfilled when Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives as recorded in Matthew 24 and parallels.

Perhaps the arguments will be repeated here.

He did stand on the mount of Olives but the prohecy was not fulfilled. Perhaps MMarc said it best, "In the bible interpretation, it's not one thing or another but one thing AND another. If we don't look at it this way we make God a liar on all fronts."

• 1 Corinthians 10:11-12 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.