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Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

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Many of you have heard of the seven year tribulation idea. From "Left Behind" and so on. That there will be a rapture, then the Antichrist will be revealed, he will demand everyone receive the "Mark of the Beast," and that those who don't will have their heads cut off. This teaching has been around for quite awhile and could have some scriptural backing, especially from the books of Daniel and Revelation.

But remember, this is just a theory and it may be a dangerous one. Because you don't want to give people an excuse not to be saved today. Today is the day of salvation. Some people are living unholy lives because they think if they miss the rapture they will get another chance to make it to heaven by getting their head cut off. You just might not get a second chance. That's only a theory, my friend.

The book of Revelation does seem to describe that scenario, as well as the book of Daniel. But remember that both of those books are written very mysteriously. They're hard to understand. Daniel was even told the words of his book would be sealed up until the time of the end. A lot of people for the last 70 or 80 years think they have it all figured out, but they may not. Remember that Jesus Christ said "Except the days be shortened no flesh would be saved." Maybe that's what Satan and his people will have planned, but Jesus will cut the plans short.

The Antichrist is waiting in the wings. The guillotines are ready. The concentration camps are here. The New World Order is all ready to start putting millions of people to death. But you know if I were God I wouldn't let them. I'd just come back and judge. I'd throw these New World Order people into hell. These modern Christians that don't want to live holy and think they'll get another chance too. And I think that's what will happen.

That's more the teaching of the book "Pilgrim's Progress," a Second Coming with a final judgment. Jesus Christ, who should know, always seemed to say that when He comes again that's the end. He will judge between the sheep and the goats. The just and the wicked. He will separate the wheat from the tares, and the tares will be burned up. The Bible describes a harvest time. A lot of people now, such as Jack Van Impe, say that there will be no end of the world, but Jesus Christ said that there would. He said it will be like the days of Sodom and Gomorrha and Noah when He comes. A few were saved and the rest immediately judged.

The Apostle Peter taught the same thing. In 2 Peter 3:10-13 it says: "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

Today is the day of salvation, my friend. I don't think we have much time left. See http://www.squidoo.com/tithes-and-offerings.
 
I think many ppl would be surprised to know that the bible never mentions a tribulation period of 7 years!

This idea/theory comes from Daniel 9: 24-27. This chapter describes a period of 490 years or 70 weeks. The reason I say 'years' is because in timed bible prophecies, the 'day/year/ principle ALWAYS comes into play. Num.14:34 and Ezek.4:4-6.

The BIG horrendous mistake that Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins repeat (from Jesuit writers of old) is a that the 490 year period is broken up by over 2000 years. Well--it if were the case--then the prophecy cannot rightly be called a 'timed' prophecy, nor can that time be "DETERMINED".

Also--this prophecy is TOTALLY about the advent of Jesus the Christ--NOT some future antichirst. Read rightly and carefully--the 'he' in verse 27 refers to Jesus Christ-ONLY!

What's really funny about this debate, is that while arguing that the 70 weeks in NOT years--they base the 7 YEARS trib on the final week of that prophecy. So I guess you can mix and match years and weeks as it applies to ones preconceived ideas. lol
 
Also--this prophecy is TOTALLY about the advent of Jesus the Christ--NOT some future antichirst. Read rightly and carefully--the 'he' in verse 27 refers to Jesus Christ-ONLY!
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A very good post overall. :yes :salute
 
Also--this prophecy is TOTALLY about the advent of Jesus the Christ--NOT some future antichirst. Read rightly and carefully--the 'he' in verse 27 refers to Jesus Christ-ONLY!
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AGREED !

But! there are still 3.5 years called The Time Jacobs Troubles to be fulfilled yet. The last half of that week in Dan. 9:27 - think what caused the Sacrifices to cease to be of any effect. Also when did Jesus leave the Israelites house, to be an abomination to them.
 
In Judea there is a time in which the saints of God are persecuted but not so much the rest of the world.There are several reasons I believe this and one of them is this.Jesus said his coming would be like the time of Noah in which the end would come and people would not realize it till it came and took them away.If there was a 7 year tribulation ,that would be a sign for everyone to see .Insted the end shall come upon people suddenly as a thief in the night.
I think the biggest problem people have is they believe everything written in the bible is about themselves.They have to see themselves in every picture painted in scripture .
Even if the picture is only about a small country in the middle east and about a small people there being persecuted,other people want to believe its about themselves.
 
That is one problem with the Christian Church, and its doctrines. It seems to want to make every prophesy, promise, and event in the Bible apply to the Church (replacement theology), when actually the greatest part of the Bible is a Jewish book . Only a small part of the Bible relates to the gentiles, "and that does not even include all of the New Testament". That's not to say there are not! some very valuable teachings in both Testaments, but not every one applies to the Church. :)
 
When I started asking the question about the 70 week period spoken of in Daniel. I was taught about some great prophetic clock being stopped. What do we have in scripture that supports a prophetic clock stopping and creating a 'gap in time' between the 69th and 70th week. Who said that? This isn't Star Trek ya know. I have found from our history books this interpretation of a 490 year period and a the gap in time between a 69th and seventieth week is a somewhat new addition to modern commentaries and bible studies.

There is another...

The classical approach to Daniel 9:24-27 differs, seeing such numerical computation as arbitrary. It views the seventy weeks as representing not a literal period but a lifetime punishment seven times over (Jeremiah 25:11 & Leviticus 26). In other words, to this viewpoint, in some form or other Israel's desolation will last for centuries, the postexillic return not marking that end; but an end will come.

But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.

And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass: And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits. And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me;

I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.

I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate. And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;

Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.

And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied. And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;

Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours. And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it. And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths. As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.

And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth. And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies. And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.

And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them. If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me; And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.

And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.

But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.

These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.
 
Wheather you can see it or not. And if you have a study or reference Bible, look up the Times of Jacobs troubles. This is the last half of the 69 weeks, taking the prophecy to the full 70 weeks mentioned in the Bible. That has not yet occurred, and has to before the Lords return. :)

Star Trek NO, its much more supernatural than Star Trek could have ever imagined.
 
Rainpebble said:
I think many ppl would be surprised to know that the bible never mentions a tribulation period of 7 years!

This idea/theory comes from Daniel 9: 24-27. This chapter describes a period of 490 years or 70 weeks. The reason I say 'years' is because in timed bible prophecies, the 'day/year/ principle ALWAYS comes into play. Num.14:34 and Ezek.4:4-6.

The BIG horrendous mistake that Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins repeat (from Jesuit writers of old) is a that the 490 year period is broken up by over 2000 years. Well--it if were the case--then the prophecy cannot rightly be called a 'timed' prophecy, nor can that time be "DETERMINED".

Also--this prophecy is TOTALLY about the advent of Jesus the Christ--NOT some future antichirst. Read rightly and carefully--the 'he' in verse 27 refers to Jesus Christ-ONLY!

What's really funny about this debate, is that while arguing that the 70 weeks in NOT years--they base the 7 YEARS trib on the final week of that prophecy. So I guess you can mix and match years and weeks as it applies to ones preconceived ideas. lol
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I agree... I can't seem to find support for a 7 year tribulation period in scripture either.
But with that being said I challenge anyone who believes in a literal 7 year tribulation period to support this theory with scripture and sound reasoning. I will be willing to give a 7 year tribulation period a fair chance.
 
samuel said:
Wheather you can see it or not. And if you have a study or reference Bible, look up the Times of Jacobs troubles. This is the last half of the 69 weeks, taking the prophecy to the full 70 weeks mentioned in the Bible. That has not yet occurred, and has to before the Lords return. :)

Star Trek NO, its much more supernatural than Star Trek could have ever imagined.
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I think we're on the same page Samuel. 70 weeks is 70 weeks and the last week is I think too the time of Jacobs troubles. What I tried to say above though is I do not see anywhere in scripture, a gap in time, a great prophetic clock stopping, nor am I inclined to say the 70 weeks equals 490 years.

Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
 
Some say that the 70 weeks ended with the stoning of Stephen. I really don't see it that way, the rejection of their Messiah was enough to seal the deal.

Others say that the Roman destruction of the Temple, ended the 70th week. But that was thirty odd years after Jesus crucifixion.

In Daniel 12:7 the Angel refers to a time, and times, and a half a time, which is three and a half years. This is all prophesied at the end of the Age, so I see that Jacob still has 3.5 years to finish their transgression, and call on the one they have pierced, the Lord jesus.

This verse verifies that.

Luk_13:35, Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The preaching of the Gospel and the Church age, separates the the time when Jesus said this, from the time of his return. Which gives us a 3.5 year period at the end of the age yet to be fulfilled. Also called the time of Jacobs trouble.

Daniel 7:25 also gives the time of the beasts dominion, a time, times, and a half a time, three and a half years. So much for 7 years of tribulation.
 
God's Word doesn't teach 'theory'. Theory is man's doing, and a lot of what you all are saying here is directly from men's doctrines, and has only a light coverage of God's truth from His Word. That method is exactly how many are being deceived today.

The 70 weeks prophecy from Daniel DOES cover a period of 7 years. It's the specific "one week" of Dan.9:27.

That 70 weeks prophecy is divided up into events, of which, three mentioned in it have aready happened per history; the command to rebuild Jerusalem after the 70 years Babylon captivity, Christ's first coming and crucifixion, and the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. But the last part, the "flood" that is to occur in the end, that is yet to happen. It's that symbolic "flood" that has to do with the false one in our Lord's Book of Revelation and the placing of the abomination that maketh desolate.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(KJV)

So who are these people who speak as if they have knowledge in God's Word, and say there's no 7 years period given in the Book of Daniel about the end of this world?

Also, to imply that the idea of a large gap of time between the 69th and 70th week is false while not giving any Biblical support to prove otherwise, but only words of hot air instead, shows deception by false prophets.

Those in Christ who listen to His Word could care less what men say. It's what God's Word as written says that matters. But the blind will hang onto men's doctrines and support their doctrines like some political party they've given their life to at the expense of not keeping God's Word as written. Those don't really care what God has said in His Word, otherwise they'd be heeding Scripture as written instead of putting their trust in some denomination, or seminary stance, or pop-doctrine, or some modern book they bought at the local Christian bookstore.
 
God's Word doesn't teach 'theory'. Theory is man's doing, and a lot of what you all are saying here is directly from men's doctrines, and has only a light coverage of God's truth from His Word. That method is exactly how many are being deceived today.

The 70 weeks prophecy from Daniel DOES cover a period of 7 years. It's the specific "one week" of Dan.9:27. I agree but where is the support it covers seven years? My problem is I can show something contrary to it and would like to throw it out there for consideration if you don't mind.

That 70 weeks prophecy is divided up into events, of which, three mentioned in it have aready happened per history; the command to rebuild Jerusalem after the 70 years Babylon captivity, Christ's first coming and crucifixion, and the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.
But the last part, the "flood" that is to occur in the end, that is yet to happen. It's that symbolic "flood" that has to do with the false one in our Lord's Book of Revelation and the placing of the abomination that maketh desolate.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(KJV)

So who are these people who speak as if they have knowledge in God's Word, and say there's no 7 years period given in the Book of Daniel about the end of this world?

If you read any of my post I am one of those persons! I purposed for discussion the 70 week period IS NOT 490 years nor is there a gap in time but rather I see such numerical computation as arbitrary. Viewing the seventy weeks as representing not a literal period but a lifetime punishment seven times over (Jeremiah 25:11 & Leviticus 26). In other words, to this viewpoint, in some form or other Israel's desolation will last for centuries, the postexillic return not marking that end; but an end will come.

Just as the time given to Peter in Mathew 18:22-23 which also is a seventy times seven period of time I would too think is not just confined to 490 years nor is there a gap of time spoken of here either.

Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Also, to imply that the idea of a large gap of time between the 69th and 70th week is false while not giving any Biblical support to prove otherwise, but only words of hot air instead, shows deception by false prophets.

FALSE PROPHET? are you kidding? I give biblical support for an idea thats been around alot longer than this gap in time theory and you call me a false prophet? How about reading and discussing the truth in love instead of throwing out the false prophet accusation.

Those in Christ who listen to His Word could care less what men say. It's what God's Word as written says that matters. But the blind will hang onto men's doctrines and support their doctrines like some political party they've given their life to at the expense of not keeping God's Word as written. Those don't really care what God has said in His Word, otherwise they'd be heeding Scripture as written instead of putting their trust in some denomination, or seminary stance, or pop-doctrine, or some modern book they bought at the local Christian bookstore.


Thank you
 
God's Word doesn't teach 'theory'. Theory is man's doing, and a lot of what you all are saying here is directly from men's doctrines, and has only a light coverage of God's truth from His Word. That method is exactly how many are being deceived today.

The 70 weeks prophecy from Daniel DOES cover a period of 7 years. It's the specific "one week" of Dan.9:27. I agree but where is the support it covers seven years? My problem is I can show something contrary to it and would like to throw it out there for consideration if you don't mind.

That 70 weeks prophecy is divided up into events, of which, three mentioned in it have aready happened per history; the command to rebuild Jerusalem after the 70 years Babylon captivity, Christ's first coming and crucifixion, and the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.
But the last part, the "flood" that is to occur in the end, that is yet to happen. It's that symbolic "flood" that has to do with the false one in our Lord's Book of Revelation and the placing of the abomination that maketh desolate.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(KJV)

So who are these people who speak as if they have knowledge in God's Word, and say there's no 7 years period given in the Book of Daniel about the end of this world?

If you read any of my post I am one of those persons! I purposed for discussion the 70 week period IS NOT 490 years nor is there a gap in time but rather I see such numerical computation as arbitrary. Viewing the seventy weeks as representing not a literal period but a lifetime punishment seven times over (Jeremiah 25:11 & Leviticus 26). In other words, to this viewpoint, in some form or other Israel's desolation will last for centuries, the postexillic return not marking that end; but an end will come.

Just as the time given to Peter in Mathew 18:22-23 which also is a seventy times seven period of time I would too think is not just confined to 490 years nor is there a gap of time spoken of here either.

Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Also, to imply that the idea of a large gap of time between the 69th and 70th week is false while not giving any Biblical support to prove otherwise, but only words of hot air instead, shows deception by false prophets.

FALSE PROPHET? are you kidding? I give biblical support for an idea thats been around alot longer than this gap in time theory and you call me a false prophet? How about reading and discussing the truth in love instead of throwing out the false prophet accusation.

Those in Christ who listen to His Word could care less what men say. It's what God's Word as written says that matters. But the blind will hang onto men's doctrines and support their doctrines like some political party they've given their life to at the expense of not keeping God's Word as written. Those don't really care what God has said in His Word, otherwise they'd be heeding Scripture as written instead of putting their trust in some denomination, or seminary stance, or pop-doctrine, or some modern book they bought at the local Christian bookstore.
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Welcome Tim LaHaye, that is exactly what you are doing, quoting mens doctrines. To be more specific, two Jesuit Priests, and a rather questionable in reputation, Scottish Preacher. You cannot support a 7 year tribulation from Scripture, furthermore you cannot pull one verse and create a doctrine from it. That is exactly how Daniel 9:27 came to represent a 7 year or 1 week tribulation, when in fact all of the rest of the paragraph in context is about the Messiah Jesus. Now just how do you swap horses in midstream, you don't.

I came to the conclusion that Daniel 9:27 did not show a 7 year tribulation period, long before I ever knew anyone else even thought so. By the way there are also more that go with the popular 7 year teaching, than say its about Jesus, so go and see, which is a mans doctrine the moreso. You probably wont find any teaching someone has not taught before, so because of that it does not necessarily make it a mans doctrine, sometimes its just what the Bible says. :)
 
We can completely take out the scripture in daniel about the week and still find a 7 yr tribulation from genesis to revelation shown over and over clearly
 
GodspromisesRyes said:
We can completely take out the scripture in daniel about the week and still find a 7 yr tribulation from genesis to revelation shown over and over clearly
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Please show me. Using the scriptures alone as the ultimate guide and source of truth, please layout a convincing argument for a 7 year tribulation period in detailed fashion. Please explain every detail of scripture that leads to this and why the great tribulation period will be seven years.

What I have heard so far about the seven year tribulation period does not stack up but perhaps someone can convince me otherwise.
 
GodspromisesRyes said:
We can completely take out the scripture in daniel about the week and still find a 7 yr tribulation from genesis to revelation shown over and over clearly
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ok help me out show me in scripture the 7 years trib?
 
{Leviticus 26:1} Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up [any] image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I [am] the LORD your God. {26:2} Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I [am] the LORD. {26:3} If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; {26:4} Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. {26:5} And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. {26:6} And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make [you] afraid: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land. {26:7} And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword. {26:8} And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword. {26:9} For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you. {26:10} And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new. {26:11} And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you. {26:12} And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people. {26:13} I [am] the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

Up until this point El Yisrael tabernacles among His chosen (Leviticus 26:11). He states he will do so so long as they love Him (Leviticus 26:14; 1 Chronicles 28:7; John 14:15 (to name a few)).

What we read next in Leviticus 26:14-45 is a warning of the things which will happen to Israel should they go their own way and not hearken unto the Lord. This I contend is the beginning of a seventy week (seventy times seven) period referenced in Daniel 9:24. When king Nebuchad-nezzer came against Judah destroyed the city and carries away the people. From that point forward The God of Heaven no longer tabernacles with His people and He will not again until His return. I question how some can confine this down to just 490 years. Then like an evolutionist unable to explain any further just add something about a 'great prophetic clock' being stopped. I have never ever read of a clock in scripture I even did a word search and cannot find the word 'gap' either. So don't mad if it causes me to question it! I think it maybe the term 'last' or 69th week' only implies the last days (Hebrews 1:1) a period of time which would indicate or describe the end of Israel's desolation draws near.

{26:14} But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; {26:15} And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, [but] that ye break my covenant: {26:16} I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. {26:17} And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. {26:18} And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. {26:19} And I will break the pride of your
power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass: {26:20} And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits. {26:21} And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. {26:22} I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your [high] ways shall be desolate. {26:23} And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; {26:24} Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins. {26:25} And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of [my] covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. {26:26} [And] when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver [you] your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied. {26:27} And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; {26:28} Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. {26:29} And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. {26:30} And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and
cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. {26:31} And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours. {26:32} And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it. {26:33} And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste. {26:34} Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies’ land; [even] then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths. {26:35} As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it. {26:36} And upon them that are left [alive] of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth. {26:37} And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies. {26:38} And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up. {26:39} And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in
your enemies’ lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them. {26:40} If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me; {26:41} And [that] I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity: {26:42} Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land. {26:43} The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept
of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes. {26:44} And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I [am] the LORD their God. {26:45} But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I [am] the LORD.

Consider Daniel 9:24, the seventy week period (seventy times seven) starts from the time of the fall of Judah to king Nebuchad-nezzer, up until the time when the whole house of Israel shall again be His people and He shall be their God and the desolate land is tilled once more. The term 'last' or '69th week' may only imply the end of Israel's desolation is near that we are in the last days (Hebrews 1:1)

Presently my thought is Daniel 9:25-27 is just a very tiny piece of information. Unfortunetly I think too many have with imagination improved upon and given it greater detail than it deserves. My studies have taken me to Ezekiel for discovering the details and timeline of events.

So, as far as this bit about 490 years and a gap in time and roman siege go. Only place I find such ideas is in commentaries in libraries. I have yet to have been able to verify any of it with scripture. Lets try looking at the Daniel 9:25 thru 27 again. Only way I know how to find the truth of the matter is to compare scripture with scripture pray and discuss it with others.


I know it looks scattered, I have a hard time getting thoughts into words but it's whats in my little brain right now. Shoot, I know Ive gone on about a seven year period too in other posts. But I cannot help but continually search these things out.
 
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