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Will this man burn in hell forever?

Will this man burn in hell forever?

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Soma-Sight

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Here are the stats...

A man living in the Himalayas 400 BCE with no knowledge of Jewish culture and the coming Christ....

He has a buddhist philosophy about life....

According to the Word of God this man will burn for all eternity for his sins and not confessing Christ as Lord.....

What scripture can you use to agree or disagree with this proposition?

How will he be judged?

18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

 
Soma-Sight said:
Here are the stats...

A man living in the Himalayas 400 BCE with no knowledge of Jewish culture and the coming Christ....

What is BCE and when is that? Do you mean B.C.?
 
No.

Romans 2:12 "All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, . . . "

He perishes. No eternal life. Not raised at the resurrection. Not judged. No heaven. No Hell. Just as any beast of the field.

BTW - the fact that they had such an advanced civilisation so as to record the dude on a mountain top doesn't help :lol:
 
Khristeeanos said:
What is BCE and when is that? Do you mean B.C.?
B.C.E means Before Common Era and is a common form of dating used today in an attempt to be more religion neutral. I personally find it stupid considering the timeline division is clearly due to the birth of Christ...so simply changing the name BC to BCE is just a waste of time.

In any event, I still and always will use the terms BC and AD.

Oh yeah AD today has been replaced by the words Common Era.
 
Will this man burn in hell forever? While we have a number of folks on this forum who appear to be the mouth-piece for God, I'm sure glad that it will be God HIMSELF who is the final authority on this and ALL issues!
 
SputnikBoy said:
Will this man burn in hell forever? While we have a number of folks on this forum who appear to be the mouth-piece for God, I'm sure glad that it will be God HIMSELF who is the final authority on this and ALL issues!

Ah wisdom!
 
mutzrein said:
SputnikBoy said:
Will this man burn in hell forever? While we have a number of folks on this forum who appear to be the mouth-piece for God, I'm sure glad that it will be God HIMSELF who is the final authority on this and ALL issues!

Ah wisdom!

What do you expect? . . .I'm from THIS side of the puddle. :-D
 
A very interesting topic.....

A couple of observations.....Is every man born with a Spirit given by God thereby having somewhat of an internal sense of right and wrong?

The Noahide Laws were given to Noah by God for all of his descendents to obey....

From the Jewishencyclopedia.com article concerning the Noahide Law...


LAWS, NOACHIAN:


ARTICLE HEADINGS:
The Seven Laws.
Laws Before Sinai.
Procedure.
Special Exceptions.


The Seven Laws.

Laws which were supposed by the Rabbis to have been binding upon mankind at large even before the revelation at Sinai, and which are still binding upon non-Jews. The term Noachian indicates the universality of these ordinances, since the whole human race was supposed to be descended from the three sons of Noah, who alone survived the Flood. Although only those laws which are found in the earlier chapters of the Pentateuch, before the record of the revelation at Sinai, should, it would seem, be binding upon all mankind, yet the Rabbis discarded some and, by hermeneutic rules or in accordance with some tradition (see Judah ha-Levi, "Cuzari," iii. 73), introduced others which are not found there. Basing their views on the passage in Gen. ii. 16, they declared that the following six commandments were enjoined upon Adam: (1) not to worship idols; (2) not to blaspheme the name of God; (3) to establish courts of justice; (4) not to kill; (5) not to commit adultery; and (6) not to rob (Gen. R. xvi. 9, xxiv. 5; Cant. R. i. 16; comp. Seder 'Olam Rabbah, ed. Ratner, ch. v. and notes, Wilna, 1897; Maimonides, "Yad," Melakim, ix. 1). A seventh commandment was added after the Floodâ€â€not to eat flesh that had been cut from a living animal (Gen. ix. 4). Thus,the Talmud frequently speaks of "the seven laws of the sons of Noah," which were regarded as obligatory upon all mankind, in contradistinction to those that were binding upon Israelites only (Tosef., 'Ab. Zarah, ix. 4; Sanh. 56a et seq.).

While many additions were made to these laws by some of the tannaimâ€â€e.g., the prohibitions against eating the blood of a living animal, against the emasculation of animals, against sorcery, against pairing animals of different species, and against grafting trees of different kinds (ib. 56b)â€â€so that in one place thirty Noachian laws are mentioned (Ḥul. 92a; comp. Yer. 'Ab. Zarah ii. 1), the prevalent opinion in the Talmud is that there are only seven laws which are binding upon all mankind. In another baraita (Tanna debe Menasseh) the seven Noachian prohibitions are enumerated as applying to the following: (1) idolatry, (2) adultery, (3) murder, (4) robbery, (5) eating of a limb cut from a living animal, (6) the emasculation of animals, (7) the pairing of animals of different species (Sanh. 56b).

and interesting topic as that Men before Sinai appear to be judged according to these laws.....


Another interesting item concerning the giving of the Law at Sinai...
According to Jewish tradition, the thunderings occurring during the giving of the Law were actually the Law being given in the 70 known languages of that time.

Actually, it was the first Pentecost (Exe 19) and was the predessesor of the Pentecost of Acts where the same thing happened except there were about 120 languages by then.

If....the Law was given to the nations at Sinai (thundering's etc) are gentile men held accountable for not observing them.

Who knows.....or does God judge the hearts of men who do not have a saving knowledge of Christ.
 
SputnikBoy said:
mutzrein said:
SputnikBoy said:
Will this man burn in hell forever? While we have a number of folks on this forum who appear to be the mouth-piece for God, I'm sure glad that it will be God HIMSELF who is the final authority on this and ALL issues!

Ah wisdom!

What do you expect? . . .I'm from THIS side of the puddle. :-D

Strewth mate! Are you true blue? What about the ditch that's between us?
 
mutzrein said:
SputnikBoy said:
mutzrein said:
SputnikBoy said:
Will this man burn in hell forever? While we have a number of folks on this forum who appear to be the mouth-piece for God, I'm sure glad that it will be God HIMSELF who is the final authority on this and ALL issues!

Ah wisdom!

What do you expect? . . .I'm from THIS side of the puddle. :-D

Strewth mate! Are you true blue? What about the ditch that's between us?

Whoops ...it was ditch I meant and not puddle! In any event, how are the sheep? :P
 
So I guess most here will sidestep this whole issue as usual even though it puts a glaring hole in modern Christian theology.....

Going "by the Book" so to speak puts this man in hell... hands down.

There was no way for this guty to accept Christ... there is no Biblical evidence for saying "he gets another chance" at death in another life....

Thus we see the limited nature of traditional theology in its current scope.
 
SputnikBoy said:
mutzrein said:
SputnikBoy said:
mutzrein said:
SputnikBoy said:
Will this man burn in hell forever? While we have a number of folks on this forum who appear to be the mouth-piece for God, I'm sure glad that it will be God HIMSELF who is the final authority on this and ALL issues!

Ah wisdom!

What do you expect? . . .I'm from THIS side of the puddle. :-D

Strewth mate! Are you true blue? What about the ditch that's between us?

Whoops ...it was ditch I meant and not puddle! In any event, how are the sheep? :P

Not Baaaaaaaad. How are the roos? And yes God is the final authority but you must have a view on it - from a biblical perspective
 
SputnikBoy said:
mutzrein said:
Strewth mate! Are you true blue? What about the ditch that's between us?

Whoops ...it was ditch I meant and not puddle! In any event, how are the sheep? :P

mutzrein said:
Not Baaaaaaaad. How are the roos? And yes God is the final authority but you must have a view on it - from a biblical perspective

I think the roos are all but wiped out. I haven't seen one in quite a while.

By the way, my view on this issue is as honest as I can make it. I really have no idea what will happen to the likes of those who were raised in a different culture. While the scriptures may seem to be clearly 'black and white' to many Christians who believe that they have everything neatly figured out on all issues, I make allowances for gray areas that are known only by God. I believe that this is one of them.
 
SputnikBoy said:
SputnikBoy said:
mutzrein said:
Strewth mate! Are you true blue? What about the ditch that's between us?

Whoops ...it was ditch I meant and not puddle! In any event, how are the sheep? :P

mutzrein said:
Not Baaaaaaaad. How are the roos? And yes God is the final authority but you must have a view on it - from a biblical perspective

I think the roos are all but wiped out. I haven't seen one in quite a while.

By the way, my view on this issue is as honest as I can make it. I really have no idea what will happen to the likes of those who were raised in a different culture. While the scriptures may seem to be clearly 'black and white' to many Christians who believe that they have everything neatly figured out on all issues, I make allowances for gray areas that are known only by God. I believe that this is one of them.

I like your honesty. Alright then - do you think that there would be any difference if the same person were alive today and had never heard of Jesus?
 
Soma-Sight said:
Here are the stats...

A man living in the Himalayas 400 BCE with no knowledge of Jewish culture and the coming Christ....

He has a buddhist philosophy about life....

According to the Word of God this man will burn for all eternity for his sins and not confessing Christ as Lord.....

What scripture can you use to agree or disagree with this proposition?

How will he be judged?

18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

He most certainly will go to hell. But Jesus tells us what will happen to him: "The servant who knows his master's will but does not get ready and do what his master wants will be beaten with severe blows. But the servant who does not know his master's will and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows."

It's just like a person driving in a different state where he doesn't know the laws. He will still be punished if he breaks them, but his sentences will be lightter because he was ignorant of the laws. :)
 
Heidi said:
He most certainly will go to hell....It's just like a person driving in a different state where he doesn't know the laws. He will still be punished if he breaks them, but his sentences will be lightter because he was ignorant of the laws. :)

:smt017

'His sentence will be lighter'? So he will get the relief of only suffering 1st degree burns for eternity instead of 3rd? BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm just waiting for the old 'Preaching to the spirits in prison' verse to rear it's misinterpreted head to explain the 'second chance for the ghosts in hell' philosophy.
 
guibox,
1. Who is able to convict ones spirit?
2. When will one's spirit no longer be convicted?
3. What is God's purpose for suffering, if he is to be this loving God as you so claim
 
StoveBolts said:
guibox,

3. What is God's purpose for suffering, if he is to be this loving God as you so claim

SB, any sort of punishing needs to have some sort of redemptive or reformative purpose otherwise it is needless suffering simply for the sake of suffering.

Do you believe God's justice demands it? If you really look at the 'propitiation for our sins' argument, Christ came to satisfy the ultimate requirements of breaking the law and sin: DEATH. So that we could move from DEATH TO LIFE.

This is as extreme as it came and only a Savior could do it.

Now we want to say that Christ really came down to save us from an eternal torment that HE Himself created for no other purpose but to punish us?

Now we want to say that we really moved from DEATH to ETERNAL LIFE IN HELL? So God went back on His original plan and judgement and went even FURTHER behind in morality by converting our death sentence to eternal torture?

Do you not see the illogistics and immorality of such reasoning?
 
He most certainly will go to hell. But Jesus tells us what will happen to him: "The servant who knows his master's will but does not get ready and do what his master wants will be beaten with severe blows. But the servant who does not know his master's will and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows."

It's just like a person driving in a different state where he doesn't know the laws. He will still be punished if he breaks them, but his sentences will be lightter because he was ignorant of the laws.

lol.....

Thats pretty awesome.....

I thought you believed in eternal torment in hell Heidi?

So I guess this guy just gets an itch instead of a burn?

I'm just waiting for the old 'Preaching to the spirits in prison' verse to rear it's misinterpreted head to explain the 'second chance for the ghosts in hell' philosophy.

guibox,

You seem to dance around this question yourself?

What say you on the matter?

Are you sticking to the SDA guns of an instant barberque?

lol....
 
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