Willfull Sinning

[stovebolts]

Personally I don't believe there is such a thing as sinning on accident.

All people sin, all people fail. Some of us just are better a building up layers of denial and justification. My pride or adultery was an accident but that gay or mormon is who is really the sinner.

meh. Same old human behavior.

I think we sin in many ways. Sometimes we know were sinning, and sometimes we sin and don't even know we are sinning.

But our flesh can be pretty persuasive at times, and we sin knowing that we sin, because our sin feels good and we don't want to stop that sinning because the temptation is so strong. But I think there is a difference between being tempted, and actually sinning. James touches on this.. how it starts with temptation which gives birth to sin, and then death...

Example, I went to the bank today and it was a nice day. A gal pulls up next to me in front of the ATM and gets out of her car. I swear, her shorts were so tight and her cheek was hanging out. Mind you, she couldn't have been 20 and her backside was 10 feet in front of me... You know exactly where my eyes went... and it stayed there. Honestly, it felt good to look at her.

But scripture states that any further with that temptation, and I was a guilty of adultery. You see, I have a wonderful wife who I love and I would never want to hurt. And have you ever noticed, especially if you have a child, that when they do something wrong, they avoid you. So, God says it's adultry, but why is this bad if it feels so good? Because it destroys relationships that's why.

If I let my thoughts wander, then I've done something to my wife, and I've hurt her because I know she wouldn't want me looking at other women. And knowing this, if I did wander in my thoughts, I couldn't look my wife in the eye and instead of giving her all of me when I kiss her when I come home, a part of me would avoid her, even though my kiss may seem the same. You see, sin can also seperate us from each other and it destroys relationships.

So, when I felt myself being tempted, I prayed to God, "Please God, take this temptation away from me, strengthen me and keep my eyes from wandering where they shouldn't be". And God delivered me.

But your right, it's easy to see the sins of others to justify our own. I think this is why Jesus tells us to take the plank out of our own eye before looking at the speck in our brothers. I think this is where much contention lies...

 

[reba]

Some really great posting guys. Upbeat sound good reading! :yes

 

[jasoncran]

did danus say pet sin? oh no we christians are so holy we dont do that . never

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

This scripture does not exactly define sin. ...
The way you have worded this question I would have to honestly answer no. ...

1. WRONG! The Bible does indeed define what SIN is as I clearly showed from Bible.

2. According to you, you DO NOT believe you can be accepted by God and inherit eternal life if you continue to transgress and break God's Holy Law. So that means you teach a false gospel based on PERFECTIONISM, because according to you, a sinner cannot be saved, and must keep God's Holy Law perfectly, or they will perish, so in other words, Jesus cannot save a sinner, they must save themselves through PERFECT LAW KEEPING!

Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

You certainly must be posting in the wrong topic... I'm talking about knowing that your sinning, and you don't care because "Grace" has got your back.....

Why do you make false accusations towards everyone who challenges your beliefs and disagree with your erroneous teachings?

I have stated over and over and over in many threads that I hate sinning and delight in God's Commandments and Law, yet you falsely accuse me of not caring.

Secondly, you have rejected grace!!!

Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

 

[jasoncran]

Why do you make false accusations towards everyone who challenges your beliefs and disagree with your erroneous teachings?

I have stated over and over and over in many threads that I hate sinning and delight in God's Commandments and Law, yet you falsely accuse me of not caring.

Secondly, you have rejected grace!!!

Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

:bigfrown you know, i know this man off the site and talk to him regularly if anything he is just the opposite, please take time to know someone before stating that. if you only knew what he came from and what he went through and how gentile of man in christ he is then you would say that.

 

[childeye]

=TruthSeeker2012;574292]1. WRONG! The Bible does indeed define what SIN is as I clearly showed from Bible.

That is not a definition of sin. I'm sorry Truthseeker, but sin is a direction away from God wherein one must have God come and get him; like a good shepherd comes to gather his sheep from all the ways they had strayed.

2. According to you, you DO NOT believe you can be accepted by God and inherit eternal life if you continue to transgress and break God's Holy Law. So that means you teach a false gospel based on PERFECTIONISM,

No that's not true to me as you are applying it. Your question doesn't even factor in, because I don't believe one can establish righteousness through the works of the law. That's why it's important how you define sin. For sin exists apart from the law. Repentance to me is a change of mind, a turning towards God and experiencing the Holy Spirit. The Truth cleanses the mind and you discover yourself. While transgressing the commandment to Love God is not even possible for one who knows Him. And aren't we being saved through mercy? Your question makes me feel like by answering yes, I'm essentially saying it's okay to test God.

because according to you, a sinner cannot be saved, and must keep God's Holy Law perfectly, or they will perish, so in other words, Jesus cannot save a sinner, they must save themselves through PERFECT LAW KEEPING!

No, that's not true. Please note your question had the phrase "if you continue transgressing God's Holy Law" This means to me to head away from God farther into sin. Now you say "must keep God's Holy law perfectly", which I don't think anyone has except Jesus. The law is only a shadow of the substance and all who will be saved were saved while in sin. The law exposes sin so no one will be keeping it who is a sinner. We are accepted even how we accept the Christ. But you can't accept Christ and then go murder and be accepting Christ now can you? And that's what your question does to my reasoning.

 

[guibox]

ALL our sin is 'willful'. We do not 'accidentally' fall into sin. We CHOOSE to sin even when we know that it is wrong. This is what Paul was saying, 'The things I don't want to do, I do and the things I wish to do, I do not!' Living a life of sinful rebellion is much different than 'willfully' sinning.

Those who live a life of sinful rebellion are not truly saved to begin with. However, those that are Christians will still choose to sin even when they know they shouldn't.

Some need to stop thinking that they are so holy because they think they accidentally sin instead of choosing to rebel.
"Whoops! Did I just sin there? Oh my goodness. Shame on me!'

I doubt it.

 

[childeye]

ALL our sin is 'willful'. We do not 'accidentally' fall into sin. We CHOOSE to sin even when we know that it is wrong. This is what Paul was saying, 'The things I don't want to do, I do and the things I wish to do, I do not!' Living a life of sinful rebellion is much different than 'willfully' sinning.

Those who live a life of sinful rebellion are not truly saved to begin with. However, those that are Christians will still choose to sin even when they know they shouldn't.

Some need to stop thinking that they are so holy because they think they accidentally sin instead of choosing to rebel.
"Whoops! Did I just sin there? Oh my goodness. Shame on me!'

I doubt it.

I do believe sin is done out of a will of the flesh not necessarily the will of the person. That is what Paul is saying. For one to choose to sin he must first be of a carnal mind and the carnal mind cannot choose otherwise.

 

[eddy]

Ok. I have brought this up in other threads, but this one seems the most appropriate.

I have heard it said that homosexuals can't go to heaven because they live in open rebellion. Their continueing to sin prevents them from being saved.

I contend that those committing adultery by getting a divorce and remarrying also live in open rebellion, and continue to sin.

What's the diffence if any between these two sins. They are treated the same in the OT. The punishment was death.

Why should Christians tolerate an adulterous divorcee and not a homosexual?

 

[childeye]

Ok. I have brought this up in other threads, but this one seems the most appropriate.

I have heard it said that homosexuals can't go to heaven because they live in open rebellion. Their continueing to sin prevents them from being saved.

I contend that those committing adultery by getting a divorce and remarrying also live in open rebellion, and continue to sin.

What's the diffence if any between these two sins. They are treated the same in the OT. The punishment was death.

Why should Christians tolerate an adulterous divorcee and not a homosexual?

Since we are being saved by mercy, we are not able to be someone elses judge. As Jesus said to love your enemies, we have no other obligation.

 

[eddy]

Since we are being saved by mercy, we are not able to be someone elses judge. As Jesus said to love your enemies, we have no other obligation.

Thats what I said, but the response was that homosexuals can't go to heaven because they continue to wilfully sin. Hence by question. They aren't the only ones who live in willful sin. people on their second more marriages do the exact same thing.

 

[childeye]

Thats what I said, but the response was that homosexuals can't go to heaven because they continue to wilfully sin. Hence by question. They aren't the only ones who live in willful sin. people on their second more marriages do the exact same thing.

I see, but yet here is the problem. You say all sin is done willfully, which is true in part because it is the lust of the flesh that is the willing part. But yet it is not true because we do not will to have the lust of the flesh willing in us to sin.

There are lies that are deep seeded inside us that produce all manner of sin, and for this sin to be stopped there must come a Truth described as the holy Spirit that reveals the falsehood of these lies and consequently puts an end to the sin they produce. This is why Jesus said, the Truth will set you free from the slavery of sin.

However if you pray for this Truth to come upon you so as to be free from sin, do not expect to receive it if you are judging others as willful sinners on the belief that there is no such Truth necessary to stop sin.

 

[eddy]

I see, but yet here is the problem. You say all sin is done willfully, which is true in part because it is the lust of the flesh that is the willing part. But yet it is not true because we do not will to have the lust of the flesh willing in us to sin.

There are lies that are deep seeded inside us that produce all manner of sin, and for this sin to be stopped there must come a Truth described as the holy Spirit that reveals the falsehood of these lies and consequently puts an end to the sin they produce. This is why Jesus said, the Truth will set you free from the slavery of sin.

However if you pray for this Truth to come upon you so as to be free from sin, do not expect to receive it if you are judging others as willful sinners on the belief that there is no such Truth necessary to stop sin.

I see those who say homosexuals and adulterers can't go to heaven are wrong. I agree.

 

[childeye]

I see those who say homosexuals and adulterers can't go to heaven are wrong. I agree.

God is able to heal. The sick need a doctor. One must learn not to be sorrowful for leaving sin behind. This comes by believing they won't be missing anything.

 

[eddy]

God is able to heal. The sick need a doctor.

Are you afraid of this topic? Your answers are very criptic as to not be answers at all.

Either homosexuals and adulterers can go to heaven or they can't. If you are saying they can I agree.

 

[eddy]

One must learn not to be sorrowful for leaving sin behind. This comes by believing they won't be missing anything.

Just caught this addition. So the adultress who remarries must not be sorrowful when she ends her affair and returns to her true mariage. I take it that is what you are saying.

 

[childeye]

Just caught this addition. So the adultress who remarries must not be sorrowful when she ends her affair and returns to her true mariage. I take it that is what you are saying.

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I am not condoning sin even as I am giving reasons for forgiveness and understanding.

 

[childeye]

Are you afraid of this topic? Your answers are very criptic as to not be answers at all.

Either homosexuals and adulterers can go to heaven or they can't. If you are saying they can I agree.

I truly do not know who goes to heaven. The bible says many of the last will be first and the prostitute entered in ahead of the Pharisees. Those who are forgiven much love much, and acts of love and charity cover a multitude of sins. I do not put limits on God's mercy or grace either for or against, otherwise it would not be grace.

 

[eddy]

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I am not condoning sin even as I am giving reasons for forgiveness and understanding.

You said one must not sorrowful for leaving sin behind. An adultress must stop being an adultress to leave sin behind. I just don't understand.

I am saying that God forgives even if the adultress continues her adultry every single day. That she can go to Heaven. You seem to want to disagree, but won't come out and say so.