Winning the War Against Pornography

[Lance_Iguana]

Yes, lets use this resurrected thread for some good. Go ahead and cite whatever you can. Maybe start with the damage done by Alfred Kinsey and later on, Hugh Hefner. :angry2

What damage did Kinsey do? As a psych major, I have to say that his contributions to Psychology and Biology where massively important and informative and help give us a better grasp on sexuality and help end allot of misconceptions and put several wives tails to bed. Also led to the better understanding of the minds of Pedophiles, fetishes, bisexuality, Homosexuality, and porn addiction.

Its thanks to him and Klein that broke down the barriers allowing for us to truly study sexuality instead of just assuming it.

 

[Vic C.]

My advice to you would be to do some unbiased research on Mr. Kinsey. He understood the depraved mind of Pedophiles and perverts because, well, he was one! What kind of ill mind would use newborns in their perverted sex research studies and THEN declare babies are sexual creatures from birth! :mad What kind of sick person would conduct orgies (and partake in a few himself) all in the name of research?

 

[Lance_Iguana]

My advice to you would be to do some unbiased research on Mr. Kinsey. He understood the depraved mind of Pedophiles and perverts because, well, he was one! What kind of ill mind would use newborns in their perverted sex research studies and THEN declare babies are sexual creatures from birth! :mad What kind of sick person would conduct orgies (and partake in a few himself) all in the name of research?

I'm quite aware of his methods. I by no means claim his work is moral, but I do see all the good his work has brought.

His methods where there to fully understand sexuality, and to better understand what is it about sex that excites the mind. Allot of his work was purely for research as a biologist. Part of his method was to unpersonalized sex, so he could get the truth out of people. You have to remember that when he was doing his research, sex was an extreme taboo, so he had to remove as much emotion and bias to get the information needed to compile his research.

It was also Freud who first claimed that everything relates to sex even children's development is sexualized under Freud. Its not surprising that Kinsey, being a fellow scientist, would want to test Freud's theories and hypothesizes.

 

[Caroline H]

Freud was a sicko too. I don't care what supposed "good" came out of any of their research. I think that the "good" aspects are relative, and it depends on ones worldview as to how they are viewed. I think they both have done more harm to society than can be calculated.

Just my opinion...

 

[jasoncran]

Freud was a sicko too. I don't care what supposed "good" came out of any of their research. I think that the "good" aspects are relative, and it depends on ones worldview as to how they are viewed. I think they both have done more harm to society than can be calculated.

Just my opinion...

ya think if he were alive today he would in some jail or in pysch ward, on a related note ever wonder why medicine has knowledge on the freezing of body parts, ie frostbite, treanchfoot, and the like, some of that came from ww1 and the japenese conducted experminents on chinese and american pows in wwII and we came across that knowledge upon the surrender of imperial japan and the occupation thereafter.

jason

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Freud was a sicko too. I don't care what supposed "good" came out of any of their research. I think that the "good" aspects are relative, and it depends on ones worldview as to how they are viewed. I think they both have done more harm to society than can be calculated.

Just my opinion...

I fully understand. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. It was actually Kinsey's work that help me to realize I wasn't mentally ill, its actually thanks to his work that I'm not in a mental institution or jail for simply being who I am. ;)

 

[sheshisown]

Lance_Iguana~

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."

The bible tells us as Christians that we should pay attention to the manner of living a teacher shows. Do they show righteousness, humility and faithfulness in the way they live?

I realise that we do not normally expect worldly people to have these attributes but if we are going to place value on them we as Christains should do it in a proper manner. I have been in college for the past 2 1/2 years and there are few and far between in academics that can show a righteous life for all thier high words and ability to excell at knowledge.

We should pay attention to the effect of their teaching. Are Christian's taught by these people growing in Jesus or being led astray, and eventually falling away? :gah

This fruit God is speaking of here, is the inevitable result of who we are. Eventually though it may take a time for the harvest to come the good or bad fruit is evident, revealing what sort of "tree" we are. It looks like this man has shown his fruit. :yes we can pray for his soul to be saved, but I think promoting him is not a godly idea. :o

Though you see this man's teachings as having helped you Lance, have you considered Who it was that actually reached out to help you? God who is sovereign worked through this guy, even though he was not much of a person, righteously. God wanted to rescue you, I doubt if that teacher could care less, other than it might make him a little more famous, or sell some of his books.

There is often no logic to why or how God rescues us, He just does. bonnie :shades

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Lance_Iguana~

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."

The bible tells us as Christians that we should pay attention to the manner of living a teacher shows. Do they show righteousness, humility and faithfulness in the way they live?

I realise that we do not normally expect worldly people to have these attributes but if we are going to place value on them we as Christains should do it in a proper manner. I have been in college for the past 2 1/2 years and there are few and far between in academics that can show a righteous life for all thier high words and ability to excell at knowledge.

We should pay attention to the effect of their teaching. Are Christian's taught by these people growing in Jesus or being led astray, and eventually falling away? :gah

This fruit God is speaking of here, is the inevitable result of who we are. Eventually though it may take a time for the harvest to come the good or bad fruit is evident, revealing what sort of "tree" we are. It looks like this man has shown his fruit. :yes we can pray for his soul to be saved, but I think promoting him is not a godly idea. :o

Though you see this man's teachings as having helped you Lance, have you considered Who it was that actually reached out to help you? God who is sovereign worked through this guy, even though he was not much of a person, righteously. God wanted to rescue you, I doubt if that teacher could care less, other than it might make him a little more famous, or sell some of his books.

There is often no logic to why or how God rescues us, He just does. bonnie :shades

I what I meant by his work saving me from a mental institution and jail was, that Homosexuality isn't considered a mental dissorder anymore, and its no longer legal to arrest people for being homosexuals. His work is what paved the way for the laws to be changed.

 

[sheshisown]

:waving Lance_Iguana~

I what I meant by his work saving me from a mental institution and jail was, that Homosexuality isn't considered a mental dissorder anymore, and its no longer legal to arrest people for being homosexuals. His work is what paved the way for the laws to be changed.

Isn't marvelous that our God would use a man so sadly in darkness himself to bring YOU His son into the light of truth. Mysteries! The Marvels and ways of our God will abundantly magnetize our attentions throughout eternity, my brother!

And it is true that God uses Donkeys to speak of angels with blazing swords... Yet the donkey after this one-time miracle... have you ever considered ...did this beast become a prophet to be exalted, or a well known Mr. Ed with a broadcast in the Word of God? (Oh now I date myself). :o

No~ the donkey was no more than a beast when the Lord opened his mouth to speak His word... and returns to braying and baring burdens immediately... AND I am afraid unless redemption frees him by God's hand and his repentence this "wise scholar" will merely carry burdens as did the beast for his span and die in his sins. :verysad

What glory in this?

God KEEP you safe in His embrace and His word... bonnie

 

[Lance_Iguana]

So man is incapable of doing anything good or evil? It is all God. I didn't write my research papers my latest semester, God did it?

 

[jasoncran]

So man is incapable of doing anything good or evil? It is all God. I didn't write my research papers my latest semester, God did it?

no, that's not why they mean all goodness in us is given to us by the lord, but think about if u had a liitle girl would u let a man like freud or jeung around her

the lord give us gift to be used by us, and we are obligated to glorify him(the Lord) with them, however he wont force us to

my opinion

jason

edited for grammar

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Ah, I see what you are getting at now. .

 

[Sparkey]

So man is incapable of doing anything good or evil? It is all God. I didn't write my research papers my latest semester, God did it?

no, that's not why they mean all goodness in us is given to us by the lord, but think about if u had a liitle girl would u let a man like freud or jeung around her

the lord give us gift to be used by us, and we are obligated to glorify him(the Lord) with them, however he wont force us to

my opinion

jason

edited for grammar

Jason, I read it wrong and was for a moment.

Thought you said, "If you had a little daughter would you let a man like Freud jung around with her???

Really cracked me up (oh, I already said that).

~Sparrow

 

[jasoncran]

So man is incapable of doing anything good or evil? It is all God. I didn't write my research papers my latest semester, God did it?

no, that's not why they mean all goodness in us is given to us by the lord, but think about if u had a liitle girl would u let a man like freud or jeung around her

the lord give us gift to be used by us, and we are obligated to glorify him(the Lord) with them, however he wont force us to

my opinion

jason

edited for grammar

Jason, I read it wrong and was for a moment.

Thought you said, "If you had a little daughter would you let a man like Freud jung around with her???


Really cracked me up (oh, I already said that).

~Sparrow

i did type jeung's name that way before i posted it, boy that was funny

 

[sheshisown]

:waving Lance_Iguana

You inquired:

So man is incapable of doing anything good or evil? It is all God. I didn't write my research papers my latest semester, God did it?

In speaking of perfect goodness, the kind that has not even a hint or stain of bad in it, even in the motive of the heart... the Bible says this is true of humanity, we cannot do perfect things. Perhaps you would agree that none are perfect?

Every one of them has turned aside; They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.

Yet the Bible also speaks of the goodness of human love... looking at the sweetest bond between people the bond of child and parent, and the good done there... and compares it to God's goodness...

"Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!" Matthew 7:9-11

Here Jesus is teaching that many human fathers love to bless their children, and would never answer a simple request for something good with something evil. Yet if that is the case with humanity... how much MORE will The Father in heaven give good things to those who ask Him? :yes

And we know of human fathers who abuse children ... there are evil deeds in humanity, but none in God. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. James 1:17

Jesus makes it clear that God doesn’t have to be persuaded or appeased ~ He wants to give us not just bread, but even more than what we ask for... If we will only ask. I am thankful to God also~ that the times I have asked for something (as bad as a serpent) without knowing what I was asking for, that God, who is the most loving parent, has mercifully spared me the just penalty of my ignorance. :nod

Lance~ (may I call you Lance? :shades
I have worked on many papers in the past years... I am still in school at my age ... and I know the diligence and hard work that can be! whew!

I will not say this is not your effort, no. Yet I will ask you again to consider that without God, there are no powers of reason nor ability to string words together or simple recall. God is the author of even our powers of intellect... and even sustains us from the evil things that can cause brain damage ~ so you and I can write papers.

(That hopefully please Professors)

Write me back... with your thoughts. :wink3 ...bonnie

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Sorry, I just now saw your post Jason.

Freud and Jung I wouldn't have a problem with. Even though Freud is seen as a hack by most psychologists currently. Freud's practices where just to listen to his patients and subjects and try on see what might be lurking in their subconscious. Jung actually had allot of Christian references to his studies and research. Especially about reaching the divine. Some of his research isn't as solid anymore, especially his ideas about genetics, but the rest of his work about personalities is still used today, and is quite effective. I don't see how being around him wold effect my daughter to much, except encouraging her to be the best she could be.

Kinsey, Klein, or Master, it would depend on the situation. I wouldn't let them do research on her, but I wouldn't have a problem introducing them to her. I tend to try and see the goodness in people before I let anything else tell me how to think of a person.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

sheshisown

I miss understood Jason earlier, I just forgot to post until recently.

I understand what you are saying. I'm just not at a point where I believe in the religion of Christianty. I may one day, but for now I just don't have the faith. I actually like coming to this board because it makes me think in a different way on some issues, and gives me a more rounded ideal. As I said though, I'm just not in a place right now where I could believe without question in the Exsistance of " I am" or Jesus. ;)

 

[sheshisown]

Lance my friend~

May I pray for you to "come to that place" soon? I desire you as my brother... this is a mystery but not difficult to understand really. It is a love that wants after every single man (you) and woman and child~ to know the LOVE that has been given so freely...:heart

I SO desire this for you. :yes

Will you allow this?

bonnie

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Lance my friend~

May I pray for you to "come to that place" soon? I desire you as my brother... this is a mystery but not difficult to understand really. It is a love that wants after every single man (you) and woman and child~ to know the LOVE that has been given so freely...:heart

I SO desire this for you. :yes

Will you allow this?

bonnie

I think I should put it in my sig that I have nothing against people praying for me, and that I still like allot of the teachings from the Bible and understand the viewpoint of Christianity.

Right now its more of a faith thing so it all depends on personal revelations from her on. I have always known that "I am" and Jesus love me no matter what. ;)

 

[sheshisown]

:waving~ Lance~

I am afraid I missed that in your signature... :nod But I am VERY GLAD that you recieve prayers... :D
I am asking that the Lord open your heart up to His word. Because you say you agree with alot of the bible, I will be asking for the word to dig into your inner understanding in your heart, and to find the treasure of the man God made you to be there. I am asking this so that you may find FULL freeing FAITH in all that Jesus taught. :yes

What version of the bible have you been reading? Some are easier to understand than others.

You have placed your finger on the VERY thing that we ALL require to have our complete salvation, the Lord desires a personal relationship with you... :amen Have you ever asked Him to reveal Himself to you ~ without any pre-concieved ideas?

It only takes a moment ~ when our hearts have been made ready ~ for the Lord to make Himself intimate with us. It is the reason you were created by Him... to know Him, forever! The marvelous thing about Christianity (just a reminder) is that it is ALL about family...

Draw near to God ~ and He will draw near to you. He is very very gentle...:puppydogeyes just like Jesus is ~ don't let the Old Testament give you the wrong idea about Him. He gently ~ persistantly ~ wooingly ~ awaits your answer.

He is knocking dear Lance~ on the door of your heart. :heart

In His love to you... sheshisown~