Wolves in Sheep's Clothing

[jasoncran]

We know what heaven is when we get there.

well according to you its here when we dont sin.

so which is it.

 

[elijah23]

well according to you its here when we dont sin.

so which is it.

It is here when we don't sin.

 

[jasoncran]

It is here when we don't sin.

so then you contradict youself an earlier post.
jesus suffered and he didnt sin!

and he even said that we will suffer.

 

[elijah23]

so then you contradict youself an earlier post.
jesus suffered and he didnt sin!

and he even said that we will suffer.

We do suffer, but we don't have to.

 

[jasoncran]

We do suffer, but we don't have to.

tell that to paul, peter and all the martyrs past and present

 

[elijah23]

so then you contradict youself an earlier post.
jesus suffered and he didnt sin!

and he even said that we will suffer.

Jesus suffered by human standards, but he always had his glory because he always had his integrity.

 

[elijah23]

tell that to paul, peter and all the martyrs past and present

Persecution is not suffering. We only suffer when we are ashamed of ourselves.

 

[jasoncran]

Persecution is not suffering. We only suffer when we are ashamed of ourselves.

being tortured isnt suffering?

 

[elijah23]

being tortured isnt suffering?

No, the Lord can make us happy, even when we are being tortured.

Faith.

 

[elijah23]

being tortured isnt suffering?

[24] Then King Nebuchadnez'zar was astonished and rose up in haste. He said to his counselors, "Did we not cast three men bound into the fire?" They answered the king, "True, O king."
[25] He answered, "But I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods." Dan 3:24-25 RSV

 

[jasoncran]

[24] Then King Nebuchadnez'zar was astonished and rose up in haste. He said to his counselors, "Did we not cast three men bound into the fire?" They answered the king, "True, O king."
[25] He answered, "But I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods." Dan 3:24-25 RSV

not all men are delivered.

http://www.persecution.org/2011/03/22/christians-in-prison-beaten-in-saudi-arabia/

http://www.opendoorsusa.org/persecution/persecution/persecution-in-saudi-arabia/

the later i have heard of from an army chaplian that was there.

 

[elijah23]

not all men are delivered.

http://www.persecution.org/2011/03/22/christians-in-prison-beaten-in-saudi-arabia/

http://www.opendoorsusa.org/persecution/persecution/persecution-in-saudi-arabia/

the later i have heard of from an army chaplian that was there.

We are to have faith in the Lord, all of us.

 

[jasoncran]

We are to have faith in the Lord, all of us.

that doesnt negate that we suffer.
you have a warped way of looking at suffering. the reality is two fold. at present we can and do suffer and also that we are promised and have in possesion in the kingdom if we remain in him.

but ask any mother whose child has died from disease, or soldier who has (as i do) with what he has seen and or done,or some cancer patient that is on the death bed. if they love that and have to just learn to trust god despite the pain and sorrow. theres nothing joyous at times it just charachter building that we all are going to endure.

to this day i have that god i dont understand what i saw and how vane our lives are but i trust that you are in control.

that is the faith.