Women shouldn't need men...

[Nick]

Nick: you make a valid point to some extent, although I wouldn't go so far as suggesting that cultivating weakness is something that God expects women to aim at.

I'm not sure that's a fair representation of what I posted. Your statement here implies that I advocate the suppression of women. Absolutely not the case. I mentioned in another thread that a wife's submission (which is really the context of the passage) is to be done voluntarily by the wife, not forced upon her by her husband.

What I've done for this thread is to take the general idea and spirit of those kinds of passages, like 1 Peter 3 and Ephesians 5, and used them to at least think about the natural physical attributes of women compared with men, and how that applies to bodybuilding / muscly women.

As for bodybuilding supposedly not being feminine, I think that for instance in competitive bodybuilding it's often part of the expected routine for women participants to be in platform heels: which kind of tells me they are hardly ignoring or denying being feminine.

idk; I guess it can be looked at from various aspects, but I don't particularly see a denial of being feminine, either in bodybuilding, or in the Proverbs 31 account.

Blessings.

Traditionally, women didn't do bodybuilding. This defiantly goes against the Western (and I think others too) idea of femininity. I don't want to judge these women, just as I'm not going to judge a man getting a pedicure, but it certainly goes against the grain, imo.

 

[farouk]

I'm not sure that's a fair representation of what I posted. Your statement here implies that I advocate the suppression of women. Absolutely not the case. I mentioned in another thread that a wife's submission (which is really the context of the passage) is to be done voluntarily by the wife, not forced upon her by her husband.

What I've done for this thread is to take the general idea and spirit of those kinds of passages, like 1 Peter 3 and Ephesians 5, and used them to at least think about the natural physical attributes of women compared with men, and how that applies to bodybuilding / muscly women.


Traditionally, women didn't do bodybuilding. This defiantly goes against the Western (and I think others too) idea of femininity. I don't want to judge these women, just as I'm not going to judge a man getting a pedicure, but it certainly goes against the grain, imo.

Nick:

Actually I wasn't suggesting what you thought; thanks for the comment, anyway.

Just that if for example presentable women in heels participate in bodybuilding competitions (leaving aside whether anyone in our families would actually get involved in such a competition), it just seems hard to me to think that somehow their femininity is being set aside; the contrary, I would have thought.

Blessings.

 

[Nick]

Nick:

Actually I wasn't suggesting what you thought; thanks for the comment, anyway.

Just that if for example presentable women in heels participate in bodybuilding competitions (leaving aside whether anyone in our families would actually get involved in such a competition), it just seems hard to me to think that somehow their femininity is being set aside; the contrary, I would have thought.

Blessings.

I guess this is where we culturally disagree.

 

[jasoncran]

ok. well farouk since i knew of several winners of these competetions. i take issue with them. first off, they must loose so much weight that they loose their menstrual cycles. they will also stop permanetly if they dont gain the weight back. they begin to grow hair, they also get a throat from all those hormones they take and suppliments. the breasts shrink. when they do get breasts that appear normal. they arent they are plastic.

i worked out with some of these women. i used to seem them lift in the gym.

 

[farouk]

ok. well farouk since i knew of several winners of these competetions. i take issue with them. first off, they must loose so much weight that they loose their menstrual cycles. they will also stop permanetly if they dont gain the weight back. they begin to grow hair, they also get a throat from all those hormones they take and suppliments. the breasts shrink. when they do get breasts that appear normal. they arent they are plastic.

i worked out with some of these women. i used to seem them lift in the gym.

Interesting observations. As with everything, it's good not to go over the top.

 

[joep222]

God said it is not good for man to be alone. Through implication, He also meant it is not good for woman to be alone either.

 

[elijah23]

Really?

Men and women shouldn't be dependent on each other, I don't think.

 

[Carolyn]

A good marriage is one in which each spouse has strengths which are appreciated and the husband delegates to the wife the tasks that her talents, personality and aptitude best suit her. A week or insecure man may feel like he has to do everything which makes his wife feel unfulfilled and unappreciated since he is denying her role as a helpmeat. A strong man is one who is totally dependant on God, and who also appreciates that God has given him a woman to complete him by shoring up his less gifted areas. We are not madeto
ompete with each other but to complement each other in such a way as to reflect and glorify God..

 

[farouk]

A good marriage is one in which each spouse has strengths which are appreciated and the husband delegates to the wife the tasks that her talents, personality and aptitude best suit her. A week or insecure man may feel like he has to do everything which makes his wife feel unfulfilled and unappreciated since he is denying her role as a helpmeat. A strong man is one who is totally dependant on God, and who also appreciates that God has given him a woman to complete him by shoring up his less gifted areas. We are not madeto
ompete with each other but to complement each other in such a way as to reflect and glorify God..

Carolyn:

Those are my sentiments entirely.

Blessings.