Women Teachers in School

[MathGuy]

Hi,

In 1 Timothy 2:12, when Paul says that women shouldn't have authority over men, is he talking only about the church, or would it apply in other settings as well? I have some women as teachers in my classes, and now that I think about it I'm not sure if that's something I should avoid or not.

 

[AirDancer]

No, you do not have to avoid female teachers at university, MathGuy. Some of them are highly intelligent & are able to teach.

Every so often, there is great debate over the meaning behind Timothy's (& Paul's similar) comment. In fact, it has been debated for centuries. Paul speaks of & names female deacons & women in church leadership positions.

But the long & short of it: there isn't anything to avoid with female teachers.

 

[Paul1965]

Hello MathGuy,
God also told us to Honour our mother and father. With that in mind, if you do as your mother asks you and respect her wishes, you are submitting to her Authority and she is a woman.
This is only my take on things, I may be wrong, but some of the best teachers I had when at school were women.

 

[wayseer]

Hi,

In 1 Timothy 2:12, when Paul says that women shouldn't have authority over men, is he talking only about the church, or would it apply in other settings as well? I have some women as teachers in my classes, and now that I think about it I'm not sure if that's something I should avoid or not.

If you are going to transcribe everything you read in the biblical texts into the 21st century you will end up tying yourself in knots.

God gave us a brain - presumably we should therefore use it.

 

[BornAgain]

If you are going to transcribe everything you read in the biblical texts into the 21st century you will end up tying yourself in knots.

God gave us a brain - presumably we should therefore use it.

The Bible applies to us today as it did when it was written. God is consistent and will not change his Word to fit man and the "world." We are to adhere to His inspired word past, present and future. We are to learn and live by the New Testament and it's teachings.

The point here is woman's assuming authority over man. It is not wrong for her to teach the word of God, but wrong for her to teach it in a way that assumes authority or superiority over man. Tit 2:5. This is the only reason given in the Scriptures why it is wrong.

 

[wayseer]

The Bible applies to us today as it did when it was written. God is consistent and will not change his Word to fit man and the "world." We are to adhere to His inspired word past, present and future. We are to learn and live by the New Testament and it's teachings.

There is a difference between God's 'inspired' word and cultural artifacts of the past. Learn the difference.

 

[BornAgain]

There is a difference between God's 'inspired' word and cultural artifacts of the past. Learn the difference.

The topic is Women Teachers in School...I posted my response. Start a new thread on God's inspired word and cultural artifacts and I will be glad to teach you the difference.

 

[wayseer]

God has given us a brain - the idea is to use it rather then being held captive by the past. My Bible says God's mercies are 'new' every morning. We need to live God in a brand 'nue dea'.

 

[jasoncran]

so well if i were to post the facts that in jewry(likely the church did it too) the women didnt sit with their men and still dont in orthodox and ultraorthodox jewry. its forbidden in both to do a lot of things if they arent married. like simply talking to them without their parents nearby.

i believe the early church was dealing with that at the time the statements of paul were written.

 

[rrowell]

There is a difference between God's 'inspired' word and cultural artifacts of the past. Learn the difference.

And to think a few days ago you posted the bible was not "inspired" but written by men... then tell someone to "Learn the difference"?

In Church matters the following applies.

1 Timothy 2:11-13 (KJV)
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

The authority described in verse 11 and 12 have nothing to do with culture as affirmed in verse 13, learn the difference.

In public schools of non Church matters, I see no reason a woman cannot teach.

 

[Webb]

Amen!!

 

[BornAgain]

so well if i were to post the facts that in jewry(likely the church did it too) the women didnt sit with their men and still dont in orthodox and ultraorthodox jewry. its forbidden in both to do a lot of things if they arent married. like simply talking to them without their parents nearby.

i believe the early church was dealing with that at the time the statements of paul were written.

That is a false idea. In 1 Timothy 2:11-12 we are told, “Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.” How clearly Paul teaches this to Timothy.

Women cannot be preachers. Some people today say that it’s just a cultural thing. Notice what Paul’s reasoning was. In 1 Timothy 2:13 we read, “For Adam was formed first, then Eve.” It had nothing to do with culture. Paul went all the way back to the Garden to set that standard. We must do the ex­act same thing today. We need to make sure that there are no women preachers where we attend because that is condemned by God. The Bible clearly states that it is not a cultural issue. It’s something set in place from the beginning, and that will remain throughout all time.

Women can teach, just not preach.

 

[for_his_glory]

Whether I be a man or a woman I see nothing wrong with a woman teaching in school or even within the body of Christ. Now here is my question to others in here that believe a woman should keep silent. Timothy and Paul taught that women needs to be silent in the Church, is that what God himself teaches or was this added by men to the law as many of the law were of man and not God. Can anyone show me in scripture where God himself said that women should keep silent, because I see God using many women in the Bible to teach others such as Phoebe, Priscilla, Euodia and Syntyche, Junia to name a few. Even I use to teach the word of God in Prisons to both male and female without the authority of a man over me as God was my authority that gave me to teach.

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Genesis 1:27).

"Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created" (Genesis 5:2).

Galatians 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

It is interesting to note that God called both male and female, "Adam" in the day they were created. Adam means "man." Adam and Eve were created with God-ordained differences from each other, but together they made a full "man," or a complete picture of God Himself. There was perfection in their union. Their differences were not a source of discord or inequality, but a beautiful compliment to each other. Together, God gave them the task of overseeing and ruling His creation.

 

[wayseer]

so well if i were to post the facts that in jewry(likely the church did it too) the women didnt sit with their men and still dont in orthodox and ultraorthodox jewry.

I guess you mean Judaism. Yes, women are still segregated in Judaism - although I saw a news clip from somewhere just recently where women and men did sit together in a synagogue.

i believe the early church was dealing with that at the time the statements of paul were written.

Indeed they were. There has been much written about what caused the 'split' between what became known as Judaism and Christianity is those early years. One of those reason is the recognition that Jesus had set us 'free' from odious and unrealistic restrictions. The reason women were segregated in Judaism is because they are deemed less pure than men and therefore unable, through the fact that they happened to born as woman, and therefore could not have equal access to God. Jesus disintegrated those views - we all have equal access to God regardless gender.

 

[wayseer]

And to think a few days ago you posted the bible was not "inspired" but written by men... then tell someone to "Learn the difference"?

Not sure what your point is here.

As far as we know, apart from a section of Isaiah, the biblical texts we have were written by men.

And I am sure I have made no reference to the fact that the Bible is NOT inspired. You might want to point out the relative quote.

 

[wayseer]

Adam means "man."

'Adam' in Hebrew means 'earth' - not 'man'.

But your point is otherwise well made. Both male and female were made out of the same material - earth.

 

[Paul1965]

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Genesis 1:27).

"Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created" (Genesis 5:2).

Galatians 3:28: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Exactly For_His_Glory, It has been the Laws of men throughout the ages that have shaped policies and contemporary thinking. These same men have often twisted and turned the Lord's law to suit their own selfish needs. Sometimes through ignorance or misconception but also through a wicked desire to assert their will on others and assume a place of power or superiority over others be it the poor or in this case women.

 

[jasoncran]

That is a false idea. In 1 Timothy 2:11-12 we are told, “Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.†How clearly Paul teaches this to Timothy.

Women cannot be preachers. Some people today say that it’s just a cultural thing. Notice what Paul’s reasoning was. In 1 Timothy 2:13 we read, “For Adam was formed first, then Eve.†It had nothing to do with culture. Paul went all the way back to the Garden to set that standard. We must do the ex­act same thing today. We need to make sure that there are no women preachers where we attend because that is condemned by God. The Bible clearly states that it is not a cultural issue. It’s something set in place from the beginning, and that will remain throughout all time.

Women can teach, just not preach.

theres a jewish custom that exists today and was around in christs day. its the called the oral traditions, in them there was persons called sages. these included the prophets and the patriarchs and one of them also includes a woman. they are aslo calle rabbi. a rabbi does a bit more then teach in jewry.

From certain contexts of the Mishnah and Talmud it can be derived that women should not study Mishnah. There were female Tannaic Torah jurists such as Rabbi Meir's wife,[12] Rabbi Meir's daughter, and the daughter of Haninyah ben Teradyon[13] Haninyah's daughter is again mentioned as a sage in the non-Talmud 3rd Century text Tractate Semahot verse 12:13.[14] Rabbi Meir's wife is credited with teaching him how to understand some verses from Isaiah.[15] In the Mishnah there is also a reference to certain women teaching men the Torah from behind a curtain, so that no man would be offended.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishnah

that said im not one to believe in women teachers or pastors but my pastor does, but well if one to get techinical a lady sunday school teacher teaching my grandson who will be 13 soon shouldnt be allowed too. as in ancient jewry he is a man. bar and bat mitzvhas also predate christ and that is what made the mark of adulthood not age 18.

 

[BornAgain]

Exactly For_His_Glory, It has been the Laws of men throughout the ages that have shaped policies and contemporary thinking. These same men have often twisted and turned the Lord's law to suit their own selfish needs. Sometimes through ignorance or misconception but also through a wicked desire to assert their will on others and assume a place of power or superiority over others be it the poor or in this case women.

He created man first then with Adam's rib created his help mate. This does not mean women are inferior to a man but just have different responsibilities. What is selfish about this?

1 Timothy 2:13 (KJV)
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Genesis 2:18 (KJV)
18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

1 Corinthians 11:8 (KJV)
8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

God did not create them equal....Not poor woman, we have many responsibilities in the church, in the home, to assist the widowed & the sick. It does not mean we cannot work out of the home either.

Titus 2:5 (KJV)
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Titus 2:4 (KJV)
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children.

God did not change, The Bible did not change, man changed and wants the Bible to say what they want to fit modern day lifestyles.

(At the age of 14 I remember frowning on women's lib).

 

[farouk]

Regarding Paul's words to Timothy, the context is the local church.

But in the New Testament also (outside the local church context) Timothy Himself was taught by Lois and Eunice.

In universities, for hundreds of years right back to the Middle Ages, there have been distinguished women who have been teachers; in Medieval Italy, for example, where what we know as modern universities started, there were learned women who taught medicine with distinction.