Would you be disapointed to find a Hindu in Heaven?

[Soma-Sight]

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

Which name is it?

God?
Emmaneul?
Jesus?
Yeshua?
Jehovah?
Lamb of God?
Incarnate Word?
Rock of Ages?
Son of God?
Son of Man?

Are we placing semantical "generic" word games in place of the Transcendent reality and Divine Presence that is expressed to each individual in a unique manner?

Are we bold enough to assert that "Christ" cannot be introduced to members of a tribal comunity with no Gospel account via the Universality of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Ironically, for the anti-Catholics here, if you are going to use the defense that the books that compose the Bible were chosen under divine guidance, then take note that the Bible was placed together under the Catholic Church. Meaning that Catholicism apparently had God's divine approval.

First, let us understand that the 'Catholic Church' of which we are speaking, regarding canon, included the Oriental and Eastern Orthodox. The Church was one Church then, without fracture.

Nope. Wrong again.

This is the INCORRECT View of the canon of Scripture:

• The church is determiner of the canon.

• 
  Being as the Church chose from approximately 600 etxant documents, and established what was and was not kanona from among some pretty good candidates (Shepherd of Hermas, Clement, etc), it seems quite clear to me that indeed the Church was and is determiner of canon.
  
  

  The church is mother of the canon.
  
  The church is magistrate of the canon.
  
  The church is regulator of the canon.
  
  The church is judge of the canon.

The scriptures did not compile, preserve and recognize themselves.

The CORRECT View of the canon of Scripture is:

• The church is discoverer of the canon. true
  
  The church is child of the canon. incorrect. We are children of God
  
  The church is minister of the canon. The Church ministers with the scriptures, not to them.
  
  The church is recognizer of the canon. true, but repetitious
  
  The church is witness of the canon. Wrong, wrong, wrong. The canon is a witness of the true faith of the Church.
  
  The church is servant of the canon.

In the “INCORRECT View†the authority of the Scriptures is based upon the authority of the church; the correct view is that the authority of the church is to be found in the authority of the Scriptures. The incorrect view places the church over the canon, whereas the proper position views the church under the canon.

In fact, if in the list titled “INCORRECT View,†the word church be replaced by God, then the proper view of the canon emerges clearly. It is God who regulated the canon; man merely recognized the divine authority God gave to it. God determined the canon, and man discovered it. Louis Gaussen gives an excellent summary of this position:

Yes, indeed, ultimately God - more properly, the Holy Spirit, could replace the word 'Church" in those statements. Try to remember that the word "bible" should not replace the term "God."

In this affair, then, the Church is a servant and not a mistress; a depository and not a judge. She exercises the office of a minister, not of a magistrate. . . . She delivers a testimony, not a judicial sentence. She discerns the canon of the Scriptures, she does not make it; she has recognized their authenticity, she has not given it. . . . The authority of the Scriptures is not founded, then, on the authority of the Church: It is the church that is founded on the authority of the Scriptures. [Gaussen, 137]

Source: Geisler, N. L. (1999). Baker encyclopedia of Christian apologetics. Baker reference library (Page 81).

[/quote]
The Church is founded on the authority of Christ, who gave His authority to the Church through the Apostles according to the scriptures. The Church thived for 400 years before canon existed. I don't care what Geisler has to say, I care what Jesus has to say. Try this one out:
Matthew 16:18
or this
Matthew 18:17
or this
Hebrews 12:23

we could go on ad infinitum. The bible is the measure by which the house is built, but authority resides within a household, given by the King. The household does not serve the tool- the household, however, that attempts to build apart from the foundation, or at variance with the measure (kanon), builds a shack that will be torn down.

 

[hopefearmercy]

the truth is out there....trust me.


hopefearmercy

 

[YESHUA]

Re:

the truth is out there....trust me.


hopefearmercy

You use to be a Christian what happen?
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA HE was not a Christian so don't blame Him

 

[hopefearmercy]

just read for myself


hello Yeshua,

I woke up.

I started reading for myself instead of having others do it for me and tell me what to believe in....simple as that.

hopefearmercy

 

[Guest]

Yeshua.


Are you jewish ?


God does not have a son.

God the creator of the heavens and hell Does not have a son and he will punish who ever believes he has a son .

 

[Gary]

Re: just read for myself

I started reading for myself instead of having others do it for me and tell me what to believe in....simple as that.

hopefearmercy, I know that you and your son, Frost-X, are Muslims.

When you were a Christian, why did you not read for yourself? You were in the USA.... you had the freedom to read for yourself.

But on the other hand, your son was born into a Muslim family. Where you now live (UAE) the Internet sites which are deemed "unIslamic" are blocked from your son.

Does he even have an Arabic Bible?

I have several books which I would like to recommend to your son. Will you buy them and allow him to read them?

Be honest now......

:-?

 

[Guest]

Gary

Gary,

First of All i say I am very happy those sites are blocked and i wish they could do it to all the false islamic site .


Second of all i don't need those book you want to refer too because i already have Authenticated islamic books i can read like over 70 books.

Third i have an Arabic Quran ( the original since 1426 years ago ) and i am memorizing it .

[[[ Did you know that over 7 million muslim (KIDS) from 7 to 10 years old in the world memorized the Holy Quran by heart .

Allah says in sura Al-Qamar ( 54:40 ) : (( And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition? ))

4- Why waste my time in reading a religion that has over 10000 mistakes in it .

Islam is a fact based on PROOF & BELIEF yous is just faith WITH NO PROOF.

 

[Gary]

Frost-X: First of All i say I am very happy those sites are blocked and i wish they could do it to all the false islamic site.

Gary: How do you know that those sites are "false" if you have never even read them? You are allowing someone else decide what you read. What are they hiding? What are they scared of?

Frost-X: Second of all i don't need those book you want to refer too because i already have Authenticated islamic books i can read like over 70 books.

Gary: How do you know what books I will recommend for your mother to buy for you? Again, you are allowing your mother to decide for you. What is she hiding? What are you scared of? Have you EVER read a book by an ex-Muslim?

Frost-X: Third i have an Arabic Quran ( the original since 1426 years ago ) and i am memorizing it .

Gary: The Quran has changed.
Read this: http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/gi ... egrity.htm
and this: http://www.aperfectquran.org.uk/

Frost-X: Did you know that over 7 million muslim (KIDS) from 7 to 10 years old in the world memorized the Holy Quran by heart .

Allah says in sura Al-Qamar ( 54:40 ) : And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

Gary: Yes.... there are millions and millions more children who can recite nursery rhymes. So what? Many of the people who have memorized the Quran do not even know Arabic. They have no idea what it actually teaches. What vain repetition and a waste of time.

Frost-X: 4- Why waste my time in reading a religion that has over 10000 mistakes in it .

Gary: A "religion" has mistakes? How do you know that? Has your mother told you that?

Frost-X: Islam is a fact based on PROOF & BELIEF yous is just faith WITH NO PROOF.

Gary: Islam is based on Muhammad and the spirit who met him in a cave. Islam is based on what a single man said. I look at that man's life and I see murder, deceit, adultery, slavery, sex with a 9 year old CHILD. That is what your religion is based upon.

My faith is based on a loving and personal relationship with the Creator of this universe. I have the perfect role-model to follow... His name is Jesus Christ. Jesus has sent the Holy Spirit to guide and correct us.

Remember, your soul is at stake here. Who do you believe? Jesus Christ (sinless) or Muhammad (sinful)? Think carefully. You have been drawn here to learn.... you have been drawn here so that you may sense what it is like to have experience the love of God.

 

[Guest]

Gary: How do you know that those sites are "false" if you have never even read them? You are allowing someone else decide what you read. What are they hiding? What are they scared of?

Frost : I have gone into that site and read it and there are many false things , I have a proxy and i did enter and it's totally wrong 100% and i am not scared of anything, people just want to corrupt islam .


Gary: How do you know what books I will recommend for your mother to buy for you? Again, you are allowing your mother to decide for you. What is she hiding? What are you scared of? Have you EVER read a book by an ex-Muslim?

Frost: hey MAN , my mom ain't Hiding anything , (( I Don't need your Books, I buy What the Biggest authenticated scholars tell me to buy and not just that, I only buy authenticated islamic Books. ))

2- my mom does not tell me to buy what ever, ( when it comes to buying Books i know more than her ) . and you can ask her too

i know my self well ( i am not the son of Mommy like you think but i Obey what she tells me but in your case she does not tell or hide anything from me .



Gary: The Quran has changed.

Frost-x : No it has not !!!


Gary: Yes.... there are millions and millions more children who can recite nursery rhymes. So what? Many of the people who have memorized the Quran do not even know Arabic. They have no idea what it actually teaches. What vain repetition and a waste of time.

Frost-x : not waste of time , it's just that YOU don't understand and you accuse . Have you ever met a little boy that memorized the Quran . ??

I have met an indian Boy who memorized the whole Quran but he does not know how to speak Arabic but he knows what the Quran is saying not just reading .!


Gary: A "religion" has mistakes? How do you know that? Has your mother told you that?

Frost-x : Well my mom hasn't told me anything .

Islam has no mistakes what so ever but the MEN make mistakes .

Christianity has mistakes because we have 4 bibles in da house AND I HAVE READ SOME and the last one i read says that KJ version has 50 000 MISTAKES ! varoise even !

Mom didn't tell me anything !!

Note : i Don't gain my knowledge from my mom.

I gain it from Scholars who practice the True Islam and Sunnah of Mohammad.



Gary: Islam is based on Muhammad and the spirit who met him in a cave. Islam is based on what a single man said. I look at that man's life and I see murder, deceit, adultery, slavery, sex with a 9 year old CHILD. That is what your religion is based upon.

Frost-x : Thats coz ur blind about Islam and didn't read authenticated Islamic books or articals or what so ever .


AND about the nine year old Child your Sick for saying that !!!

Aisha WAS HIS ((((((((( WIFE )))))))))) AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE HADITHS ABOUT THIS THE NARATER IS ((((( AISHA HERSELF )))))


And man there is nothing wrong with husband and wife to have sex as long as the wife is in the age that she can handle things and got her period !!!

your accusations are totally false !!

Go read what Aisha says in HER HADITHS

CHristianity is just FAITH (( NO PROOF AT ALL ))

Islam Is a fact and based on faith and PROOOF!

Allah is knower of all things !
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if You say jesus sent the Holy spirit to giude and protect you

SINCE THESE 2000 YEARS WHO HAS HE SPOKEN TO OR WHAT NEW THINGS DID HE BRING ???


HMMMMM LET ME SEE !!! ACCORING TO MY KNOWLEDGE (( NOTHING ))

He said he shall send another comfotor ( how ever you spell it )

not the holly spirit ( it's Mohammad ) ( go listen to Ahmad deedat's tapes )

Lecture : what the bible says about mohammad !

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Remember, your soul is at stake here. Who do you believe? Jesus Christ (sinless) or Muhammad (sinful)? Think carefully. You have been drawn here to learn.... you have been drawn here so that you may sense what it is like to have experience the love of God.

No it's not !

I Believe Jesus Is a Messenger of God Who hasn't completed his mission yet and we await his coming to finish his Mission That Allah created him to Do !

I believe in Mohammad the Messenger of God the lat prophet and the Seal of Prophethood and The Holy Quran is Allah's Word and the last test to mankind for who ever doesnt choose Islam as his religion is in very great danger !

Jesus (sinless ) Mohammad ( sinless )
Both are Messenger of God and Both are protected from Sinning by Allah.

I drew my self here to show the way of light that Allah has gave the World But they are blind and they don't see it .

They are brain washed by the TV ( by the zoinists and freemasons who want to corrupt islam )

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I love God more than you do and i follow his orders ( you don't )

Allah order's you to Believe in Jesus that he is a messenger but you say no hes his Son .

Allah begets no son .



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i gtg now to Pray ( to Allah )

Peace

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Re:

the truth is out there....trust me.

This is not an episode of X Files. Truth came in the form of a man who was and is the exact radiance and glory of God the Father.

In point of fact I respect you, but I do not trust you. Love, respect and dignity are given, according to Christ...but trust is earned. The fact that you abandoned the Christian faith, and are now attempting to influence others to do so makes the shepherd in me clutch the staff just a little tighter.

I have asked you before, on another thread, to debate with me Christianity, which your son seems to think you know so well. I have, and will ask, that, should you be willing, we debate NOT by means of copy/pasting polemical sites, but by addressing one issue at a time.

So let's begin with this one:
God has sons, and He has a monogenni- one of a kind Son.
I am prepared to prove this from scripture and from reason. Counter-arguments from the Koran are irrelevant, so please stick with reason and scripture- that is, if you wish to actually discuss these issues, as opposed to prosletyzing for Islam.



hopefearmercy[/quote]

 

[Free]

Re: just read for myself

hello Yeshua,

I woke up.

I started reading for myself instead of having others do it for me and tell me what to believe in....simple as that.

hopefearmercy

Don't be so silly. What about Muslims that convert to Christianity? Does that mean they stopped "reading for themselves"? What about Christians, such as myself, Gary, Yeshua, and Orthodox Christian who do our own study and find what we believe to be true?

You should not imply that those who don't believe as you do don't think for themselves. There have been many people, much more intelligent than you and I, who have converted to and from both Christianity and Islam.

Perhaps you should remind your son that Islam is a Christian heresy and as such, it is false.

 

[Guest]

comment

Gary i would like to Comment on this

(( First of all it's not my mom who teaches me Islam and it's not her who teaches me what to say and it's not her who tells me what to read or study ))

I do that my self .
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She doesn't need to remind me anything . YOU can tell me that and i my self think your wrong.

[[ Can you give me a name of one real practicing muslim who left Islam and enter christianity ]] one Only !

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Hey man My Mom is smarter than you think and she reads enough to gain more knowledge than what you got .

Don't say anything to MY MOM that makes me mad .

That's not respect .

say anything to me not my mom .

it's like your saying shes stupid . WELL SHES VERY SMART .
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I have read the history of Islam and Mohammad PEACE be upon him and i see no other religion at all like islam .

no mistake and proofs, facts and faith .

Prophacies that no other religion in the world has .

Quran has no mistakes and no contradictions and the Quran teaches science !

this is all i can SAY

 

[bibleberean]

I find it very interesting that exclusivist Christians claim that we find heaven by grace.

But then they say...to merit that grace...one must believe and live for Christ, one must surrender one's self completely to the will of God...then, on that merit, you recieve grace.

Yet by its very definition, grace is unmerrited. There is nothing you can do to deserve it.

I strongly detest this notion of the salvation formula that belief in christ = salvation........for in the end, what is a belief unless it produces action?

Did Christ die for you or did he not? It matters not whether you believe he died for you. To say that his atonement is somehow dependent on your belief of that event occuring...its like saying medication won't for an illness unless you believe in the medication.

Why would Christ's atonement depend on whether or not you think it happened?


...............then again...I don't even believe in atonement.........but just for the sake of argument

Christ died for everyone.

Only those who receive Him on His terms can be saved.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

There will be no practicing Hindus in heaven. They worship many gods.

1 Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

No professing homosexual who doesn't believe the bible will be in heaven.

 

[hopefearmercy]

proof is what people need

Hello Biblerean,

First of all, you must PROVE that Christ died for everyone.

In Islam, we MUST believe in Jesus in order to get to Heaven, we are to believe in ALL the prophets of Allah to get to Heaven. You cannot be a Muslim without believing in Jesus. But we just don't take him as God, for he NEVER claimed in the Bible in unequivocal words "I AM GOD"...on the contrary, he claimed otherwise, he prayed to God, worshipped God, could not do better than God, did things that apply to human abilities such as urinating, eating, drinking, why attribute these things to God when HE CREATED HUMANS?...Jesus is a highly respected Prophet of God(on him peace)...your bible even claims that. It was Paul who wrote the gospels you are reading according to your Bible.

It only takes asking GOD for repentance and His mercy. No one needs to die for mankind, that is totally ILLOGICAL...do you think that God loves you so much that HE would KILL His own son for you who sin when His son is so perfect.....God is free from want....free from sons and daughters...He alone created HIS creations and is not in NEED of them...people have become so mixed up into thinking that they are so high of standard that they DESERVED GOD'S KINGDOM...well, pride is one of the components that puts a person into hellfire.

The problem with the religions of today is that people have made their own "IMAGE" of what and how to practice AS they please...AND have disregarded the necessity to prove it correct....instead they hang on to a belief without proving it.

Faith is one thing, the EVIDENCE for that faith should be substantiated. To believe in something without proof is like perfume without smell. Waste of time to put it on and buy it.

God created us, He sustains us, He provides for us, He does not need us. We need God and His message....THE CORRECT MESSAGE.

hopefearmercy

 

[Gary]

Frost-X: First of All i say I am very happy those sites are blocked and i wish they could do it to all the false islamic site.

Gary: How do you know that those sites are "false" if you have never even read them? You are allowing someone else decide what you read. What are they hiding? What are they scared of?

Frost: I have gone into that site and read it and there are many false things , I have a proxy and i did enter and it's totally wrong 100% and i am not scared of anything, people just want to corrupt islam .

Gary: Frost are you lying again? Earlier you said:

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/wife-beating.htm
This website is created By ( JEWS )
not muslims and it's blocked i cant open it in my country .
They blocked it coz its a jewish site to make muslims look bad
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 002#185002

So either you CAN enter that site or you CAN’T. Which is it now?

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Frost-X: Second of all i don't need those book you want to refer too because i already have Authenticated islamic books i can read like over 70 books.

Gary: How do you know what books I will recommend for your mother to buy for you? Again, you are allowing your mother to decide for you. What is she hiding? What are you scared of? Have you EVER read a book by an ex-Muslim?

Frost: hey MAN , my mom ain't Hiding anything , (( I Don't need your Books, I buy What the Biggest authenticated scholars tell me to buy and not just that, I only buy authenticated islamic Books. ))
2- my mom does not tell me to buy what ever, ( when it comes to buying Books i know more than her ) . and you can ask her too
i know my self well ( i am not the son of Mommy like you think but i Obey what she tells me but in your case she does not tell or hide anything from me .

Gary: Have you EVER read a book by an ex-Muslim? You have not answered that question. Have you read ANY books about Christianity written by a Christian? If so, which ones? Do you have an Arabic Bible?

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Frost-X: Third i have an Arabic Quran ( the original since 1426 years ago ) and i am memorizing it .

Gary: The Quran has changed.
Read this: http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/gi ... egrity.htm
and this: http://www.aperfectquran.org.uk/

Frost-X: No it has not !!!

Gary: I have proven that it has changed. Read those sites. They contain many references to the changes. You have NOT proven that the Quran has not changed.

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Frost-X: 4- Why waste my time in reading a religion that has over 10000 mistakes in it .

Gary: A "religion" has mistakes? How do you know that? Has your mother told you that?

Frost-X: Well my mom hasn't told me anything .
Islam has no mistakes what so ever but the MEN make mistakes .
Christianity has mistakes because we have 4 bibles in da house AND I HAVE READ SOME and the last one i read says that KJ version has 50 000 MISTAKES ! varoise even !

Gary: Islam has many theological mistakes and absurdities. For instance, in Islam, who initiates evil?

Where did you read that the Bible has 50,000 mistakes in it? Do you believe that? Is that what you found when you read the Bible? Have you actually read the whole Bible? Which one?

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Frost-X: Islam is a fact based on PROOF & BELIEF yous is just faith WITH NO PROOF.

Gary: Islam is based on Muhammad and the spirit who met him in a cave. Islam is based on what a single man said. I look at that man's life and I see murder, deceit, adultery, slavery, sex with a 9 year old CHILD. That is what your religion is based upon.

My faith is based on a loving and personal relationship with the Creator of this universe. I have the perfect role-model to follow... His name is Jesus Christ. Jesus has sent the Holy Spirit to guide and correct us.

Frost-X: Thats coz ur blind about Islam and didn't read authenticated Islamic books or articals or what so ever .
AND about the nine year old Child your Sick for saying that !!!
Aisha WAS HIS ((((((((( WIFE )))))))))) AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE HADITHS ABOUT THIS THE NARATER IS ((((( AISHA HERSELF )))))
And man there is nothing wrong with husband and wife to have sex as long as the wife is in the age that she can handle things and got her period !!!
your accusations are totally false !!

Gary: Your own Hadith show that she was 9 years old when Muhammad has sex with her. She was still a child. She was on a swing and playing with dolls. Muhammad was 52 years old.

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Gary: Remember, your soul is at stake here. Who do you believe? Jesus Christ (sinless) or Muhammad (sinful)? Think carefully. You have been drawn here to learn.... you have been drawn here so that you may sense what it is like to have experience the love of God. [/b]

Frost-X:No it's not !
I Believe Jesus Is a Messenger of God Who hasn't completed his mission yet and we await his coming to finish his Mission That Allah created him to Do !
I believe in Mohammad the Messenger of God the lat prophet and the Seal of Prophethood and The Holy Quran is Allah's Word and the last test to mankind for who ever doesnt choose Islam as his religion is in very great danger !
Jesus (sinless ) Mohammad ( sinless )
Both are Messenger of God and Both are protected from Sinning by Allah.
I drew my self here to show the way of light that Allah has gave the World But they are blind and they don't see it .
They are brain washed by the TV ( by the zoinists and freemasons who want to corrupt islam )
I love God more than you do and i follow his orders ( you don't )
Allah order's you to Believe in Jesus that he is a messenger but you say no hes his Son
Allah begets no son .

Gary: I agree that Jesus was and is sinless. Both the Quran and the Bible also show that Jesus is the Messiah as predicted and prophesied about in the Old Testament.

What does it mean that Jesus was the Messiah? Please explain that using the Quran.

 

[Guest]

Gary

i have no time for you at this moment but i will answer your reply

You first question .

Make sure of things before you talk .

I said in our country we can't open it (( that doesnt mean i didn't open it )


Our country proxy is Prozy1.emirates.net.ae port: 8080

Try to enter it

I used another proxy

CYA

 

[bibleberean]

Re: proof is what people need

Hello Biblerean,

First of all, you must PROVE that Christ died for everyone.

In Islam, we MUST believe in Jesus in order to get to Heaven, we are to believe in ALL the prophets of Allah to get to Heaven. You cannot be a Muslim without believing in Jesus. But we just don't take him as God, for he NEVER claimed in the Bible in unequivocal words "I AM GOD"...on the contrary, he claimed otherwise, he prayed to God, worshipped God, could not do better than God, did things that apply to human abilities such as urinating, eating, drinking, why attribute these things to God when HE CREATED HUMANS?...Jesus is a highly respected Prophet of God(on him peace)...your bible even claims that. It was Paul who wrote the gospels you are reading according to your Bible.

It only takes asking GOD for repentance and His mercy. No one needs to die for mankind, that is totally ILLOGICAL...do you think that God loves you so much that HE would KILL His own son for you who sin when His son is so perfect.....God is free from want....free from sons and daughters...He alone created HIS creations and is not in NEED of them...people have become so mixed up into thinking that they are so high of standard that they DESERVED GOD'S KINGDOM...well, pride is one of the components that puts a person into hellfire.

The problem with the religions of today is that people have made their own "IMAGE" of what and how to practice AS they please...AND have disregarded the necessity to prove it correct....instead they hang on to a belief without proving it.

Faith is one thing, the EVIDENCE for that faith should be substantiated. To believe in something without proof is like perfume without smell. Waste of time to put it on and buy it.

God created us, He sustains us, He provides for us, He does not need us. We need God and His message....THE CORRECT MESSAGE.

hopefearmercy

I don't "have to prove anything". You either believe the bible or you don't.

The Koran has another Jesus.

Islamic logic means nothing at all to me.

Allah is not my God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

It is that simple, believe on the Son and live or reject the Son and perish.

It is of no consequence whatsoever if you reject the scriptures. They are all true with or without your beliefs. The writings of Paul are the writings of Christ.

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

The reason people cannot see the truth is cut and dry is because they are lost.

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

There will be no Hindus nor Muslims in heaven.

Both of these false religions worship devils...

Christ came to die for the sins of the whole world.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Islam cannot believe in Christ because their Jesus is really Satan.

End of story... 8-)



1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

 

[YESHUA]

Re: proof is what people need

Hello Biblerean,

First of all, you must PROVE that Christ died for everyone.

In Islam, we MUST believe in Jesus in order to get to Heaven, we are to believe in ALL the prophets of Allah to get to Heaven. You cannot be a Muslim without believing in Jesus. But we just don't take him as God, for he NEVER claimed in the Bible in unequivocal words "I AM GOD"...on the contrary, he claimed otherwise, he prayed to God, worshipped God, could not do better than God, did things that apply to human abilities such as urinating, eating, drinking, why attribute these things to God when HE CREATED HUMANS?...Jesus is a highly respected Prophet of God(on him peace)...your bible even claims that. It was Paul who wrote the gospels you are reading according to your Bible.

It only takes asking GOD for repentance and His mercy. No one needs to die for mankind, that is totally ILLOGICAL...do you think that God loves you so much that HE would KILL His own son for you who sin when His son is so perfect.....God is free from want....free from sons and daughters...He alone created HIS creations and is not in NEED of them...people have become so mixed up into thinking that they are so high of standard that they DESERVED GOD'S KINGDOM...well, pride is one of the components that puts a person into hellfire.

The problem with the religions of today is that people have made their own "IMAGE" of what and how to practice AS they please...AND have disregarded the necessity to prove it correct....instead they hang on to a belief without proving it.

Faith is one thing, the EVIDENCE for that faith should be substantiated. To believe in something without proof is like perfume without smell. Waste of time to put it on and buy it.

God created us, He sustains us, He provides for us, He does not need us. We need God and His message....THE CORRECT MESSAGE.

hopefearmercy

I don't "have to prove anything". You either believe the bible or you don't.

The Koran has another Jesus.

Islamic logic means nothing at all to me.

Allah is not my God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

It is that simple, believe on the Son and live or reject the Son and perish.

It is of no consequence whatsoever if you reject the scriptures. They are all true with or without your beliefs. The writings of Paul are the writings of Christ.

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

The reason people cannot see the truth is cut and dry is because they are lost.

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

There will be no Hindus nor Muslims in heaven.

Both of these false religions worship devils...

Christ came to die for the sins of the whole world.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Islam cannot believe in Christ because their Jesus is really Satan.
AMEN AMEN
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1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

 

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bibleberean announces his absolute truths

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berean said it so that is it.....end of story hmmm must be God inspired man