Would you be disapointed to find a Hindu in Heaven?

[Guest]

Gary

Here is my reply GARY !!!

Gary: Frost are you lying again? Earlier you said: Frost-X wrote:
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/wife-beating.htm
This website is created By ( JEWS )
not muslims and it's blocked i cant open it in my country .
They blocked it coz its a jewish site to make muslims look bad
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 002#185002

Nope i am not lieng ( We can't enter the site in our country but i am too smart for them I Entered it with another proxy setting ! )
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Gary: Have you EVER read a book by an ex-Muslim? You have not answered that question. Have you read ANY books about Christianity written by a Christian? If so, which ones? Do you have an Arabic Bible?

ex-Muslim : No i have not Coz i have never heard of an ex-Muslim in my life at all.

Note : A Real practicing Muslim will never leave islam even if you cut his throat because a real muslim knows better than to get fooled by other people that try to mislead such as ur self .

2- no i have not read any christian Books but i have read the old&new testament and the KJ version . and the big print we also have and i am reading it a little.
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I dont have an arabic bible but i know an arab christian .

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Gary: I have proven that it has changed. Read those sites. They contain many references to the changes. You have NOT proven that the Quran has not changed.

What proof ? you call those sites proof !! this only prooves ur little knowledge about Islam .

The Quran has not changed since the Day it came down to Mohammad peace be upon him because it was never forgotten untill this day and people always memorize and Allah says that it will stay untill the day of judgement if disbelievers like it or not ! The Quran cannot be changed !

Yes men can change like what shorosh DID :@ .

But the original Quran is still there !

your evidence is not an Islamic source so it's no proof !

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Where did you read that the Bible has 50,000 mistakes in it? Do you believe that? Is that what you found when you read the Bible? Have you actually read the whole Bible? Which one?

The publishers (Collins) say in their notes on the bible, on page 10: "This bible (RSV) is the product of THIRTY-TWO SCHOLARS, assisted by an advisory committee presenting FIFTY co-operating denominations."

Preface of RSV reads "...the King James Version has with good reason been termed "THE NOBLEST MONUMENTS OF ENGLISH PROSE." its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration for "ITS SIMPLICITY, ITS DIGNITY, ITS POWER, ITS HAPPY TURNS OF EXPRESSION...THE MUSIC OF ITS CADENCES, AND THE FELICITIES OF ITS RHYTHM." It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt."

Yet In the same breath they say: "yet the King James Version has GRAVE DEFECTS. And, the these defects are so MANY AND SO SERIOUS as to call for revision?"

The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "Awake!" Magazine, dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headlines - "50,000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?". The article said that "most errors have been eliminated." If MOST are eliminated, how many remain out of 50,000? 5000? 500? 50? Even if 50 remain, do you attribute those errors to God?
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Also written in the new testament that it has varoise mistakes .

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Gary: Islam has many theological mistakes and absurdities. For instance, in Islam, who initiates evil?

Bring 1


But it has to be true and a fact not lies.

don't post it from false sites .


I know you don't have the knowledge to say it but you will post sites but i still say Bring me one and show me so i can reply !
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Gary: Your own Hadith show that she was 9 years old when Muhammad has sex with her. She was still a child. She was on a swing and playing with dolls. Muhammad was 52 years old.

It did not say he HAD SEX it says he slept with her ( that doesnt always mean SEX as the Ignorant WORLD CLIAMS )

Second of all if it did happen (( still noting wrong with husband and wife )) and Aisha related the stories her self when she was old enough to teach Islam and she aint have no problem with it .

Husband & wife can have sex AND there is nothing wrong about that as long as the woman can handle it !!! and she had no problem with it !!

she wanted it and her father ABU BAKR peace be upon him also wanted it !!


cya
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What does it mean that Jesus was the Messiah? Please explain that using the Quran.

[[ 45. ( Remember ) when the angels said : "O maryam! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tiding of a Word from him, his name will be Al-Masih, Isa, the son of maryam ( Mary ), held in honor in this world and in the here after, and he will be one of those who are near to Allah" ]]
Quran sura Al-Imran (45)

Allah called him Al-masih !!

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[peace4all]

something i would like to point out.

before when i raised a point about "ex christians" i ahd a few ppl here tell me that "they wernt real christians if they ever left god. They may have had doubts, but if they ever left..."

so..

 

[Guest]

reply

In Islam there is no Force

 

[YESHUA]

Re: reply

In Islam there is no Force

lying through your teeth
shalom and love in the name of YESHUA A JEW AND ALSO THE SON OF GOD THE HOLY ONE THE ONLY ONE HE WAS AND STILL IS HOLY AND NOTHING YOU SAY CAN CHANGE THAT NEVER AND ONE DAY SOON YOU WILL SE HIM FACE TO FACE AND THEN YOU CAN EXPLAIN THIS ISA THING TO HIM

 

[Guest]

YESHUA

YOUR SO FILLED WITH HATE AND NO LOVE


is this how christianity thought you how to treat people ??

i have nothing to lie about !! COMMON MAN !!


Perhaps you will explain this yeshua !! thats not his name !!

Allah Called him ISA.


MAN IF JESUS IS A JEW THAN DOES THIS MEAN CHRISTIANITY IS FALSE ?


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i am sorry but i do not believe in a God who died or in a Good who poops and a God who goes to the bathroom and a God who can't even hear his enemy's in another city when he was on earth !!!

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Just tell me how can you believe with you human qualities that God is like you !! are you so conceeded

???????

Your truely in the wrong path !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[YESHUA]

Re: YESHUA

YOUR SO FILLED WITH HATE AND NO LOVE
really do you know me


is this how christianity thought you how to treat people ??
We are told to hate evil and ISLAM is evil, I don't hate muslims I hate what they do in the name of their false moon god, when they rape little children and what else evil in and tell us that we just have to be silent about it common man
i have nothing to lie about !! COMMON MAN !!


Perhaps you will explain this yeshua !! thats not his name !!

Allah Called him ISA.
NO GOD ELOHIM YHWH CALLED HIM YESHUA end of discussion


MAN IF JESUS IS A JEW THAN DOES THIS MEAN CHRISTIANITY IS FALSE ?
No it means what it says that HIS name is YESHUA and that HE was born a JEW anybody can tell you that it goes to show just how little you know about the Bible I thought you say you had read it?
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA the SON of GOD
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i am sorry but i do not believe in a God who died or in a Good who poops and a God who goes to the bathroom and a God who can't even hear his enemy's in another city when he was on earth !!!
ONE day you will wish that you had believed in my GOD who died for you so that you ncould be reconciled with my GOD-------------------------

Just tell me how can you believe with you human qualities that God is like you !! are you so conceeded

???????

NO I'm like my GOD as usualy you have it upside down or backwards if you like

Genesis 1

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 5

1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
Tell me something what is the word in arabic for slave, africa, and black?

Your truely in the wrong path !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry my friend your the one who is on the wrong path

 

[Guest]

YESHUA.

YESHUA says :

We are told to hate evil and ISLAM is evil, I don't hate muslims I hate what they do in the name of their false moon god, when they rape little children and what else evil in and tell us that we just have to be silent about it common man

Islam is not Evil !

Islam orders peace and to give to the poor ( Bla Bla Bla )....

Islam Does not rape children as you claim, Sex in islam is one of the Biggest sins in the sight of Allah if it's other than husband and Wife .

Sex is allowed only with husband and wife.

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What the hell are you talking about ? What moon God ?

Allah is the God of everything .

Allah is the God of every creation what so ever .
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Your a sick person !
you believe anything you hear on tv and read on the net .

Go to a muslim country like UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain < Saudi

go live next to them and see how they treat.

you liar !! Muslims do not rape or kill or anything like that .
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the people who do that claiming to be muslim are Hypocrits and not real muslims by heart !!

they shall be punished by Allah !!

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NO GOD ELOHIM YHWH CALLED HIM YESHUA end of discussion

HA Ha HA

this shows what you know !

Go read your bible well !!!

Does Jesus claim to be GOD?
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No it means what it says that HIS name is YESHUA and that HE was born a JEW anybody can tell you that it goes to show just how little you know about the Bible I thought you say you had read it?
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA the SON of GOD

God begets no son !!!!!
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ONE day you will wish that you had believed in my GOD who died for you so that you ncould be reconciled with my GOD

I dunno about you but i have Proof that Allah is the creator of all things !

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NO I'm like my GOD as usualy you have it upside down or backwards if you like

What ever

I don't believe in a God that poops or sleeps !! A God doesnt do that .

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Finally i say to you instead of giving false accusations .


Listen to Yusuf estes in his site http://www.islamyesterday.com

Your hearing false things about islam !! and the big problem is you blieve it !!


Tomorrow they are gonna say muslims fly with wings and your gonna say Yes Muslims have wings and fly .

And the next thing your gonna know that christian theologans are gonna erase another verse from the Bible coz it's wrong !!!

common man

Read the true islam

dont read false things

 

[hopefearmercy]

take heed



The "so called "moon-god" has nothing to do with Islam at all.

from the Quran:


And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun
and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon but prostrate
to Allah Who created them, if you really worship Him.

Holy Qur'an 41:37

It says in the Bible in ENGLISH....EMANUEL...meaning God is with us....so even the name Jesus is wrong.(according to the Bible)(oops another contradiction)....we already know that all Messengers of God peace and blessings be upon them all, are already with Allah....they are all sent from Allah, so naturally you must believe in all of them to get to Paradise....doesn't make anyone of them God.

There were many "sons of God" in the Bible...doesn't make them to be part in a trinity....examples:
1. 2 Samuel 7:13-14 or 1 Corinthians 22:10 …He (Solomon) shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his father and he shall be my son.
2. Jeremiah 31:9…..I am father to Israel and Ephraim is my firstborn.
3. Romans 8:29…For whom he did foreknow, he also did prediestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn of many brethren.
(all of these are firstborn….then what is Jesus then?)
4. Matthew 5:48….That you may be the children of your Father..and be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
5..****Psalms 2:7….(God said to David)….I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me(David), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
5. 2 Corinthians :18 ..And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

God sent messengers to teach mankind what they knew not. He sent orders and guidelines to follow. Men have been constantly going wrong since the beginning. Messengers have been given books to guide the people to the straight path. Those who take heed and adhere to the last book(which contains all the truths from before), they will be the winners. Those who don't will have a BAD RECKONING on the Day of Judgement when every soul will know what it has done.

take heed people

hopefearmercy

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Re: YESHUA.

NO GOD ELOHIM YHWH CALLED HIM YESHUA end of discussion

HA Ha HA

this shows what you know !

Go read your bible well !!!

Does Jesus claim to be GOD?

Revelation 1:8
Indeed He does, in spades.

God begets no son !!!!!

This is the claim of the anti-Christ. He will call many sons to glory.
Islam cannot understand the simple and evident truth that is contained in genesis, where it is written "Let us make man in our image and likeness."
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I don't believe in a God that poops or sleeps !! A God doesnt do that .

This is the substance of your objection to the Incarnation?

Listen to Yusuf estes in his site http://www.islamyesterday.com

Your hearing false things about islam !! and the big problem is you blieve it !!

A tree is known by its fruit, and Wisdom by her children. I needn't have a Muslim spin doctor explain away the deeds of darkness done in the name of Allah.

Tomorrow they are gonna say muslims fly with wings and your gonna say Yes Muslims have wings and fly .

I think Islam has enough to answer to with what Muslims actually do- there need be no fables invented.

And the next thing your gonna know that christian theologans are gonna erase another verse from the Bible coz it's wrong !!!

Actually, it is Islam that erases from the bible, like the part where Jesus was crucified, or the Psalm where it is written "Thou art my Son; today I have begotten Thee."
Yes, Islam is capricious regarding the scriptural words of the Prophets.
Oh, that's right, it's called abrogation. Did you say something about erasing?

Read the true islam

dont read false things

You're a nice kid and a committed proselyte- but you're not addressing an audience of countrified rubes. Islam is essentially a falling away, a corruption of monotheism, one which is rooted neither in Judaism nor Christianity, but in a denial of each- toward the end of grabbing theological center-stage. From where I stand, Islam is an Arab version of Scientology, Mormonism, or the like.

 

[YESHUA]

Re: take heed

The "so called "moon-god" has nothing to do with Islam at all.

from the Quran:


And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun
and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon but prostrate
to Allah Who created them, if you really worship Him.

Holy Qur'an 41:37


Just why in the world would I prostrate to the sun or the moon? Or do you think that this is an explanataion for the moon god?[/

It says in the Bible in ENGLISH....EMANUEL...meaning God is with us....so even the name Jesus is wrong.(according to the Bible)(oops another contradiction)....we already know that all Messengers of God peace and blessings be upon them all, are already with Allah....they are all sent from Allah, so naturally you must believe in all of them to get to Paradise....doesn't make anyone of them God.
And if you knew anything about the Bible you would know that meaning of the name is exactly what happen GOD came down to be with us didn't HE? YESHUA was the incarnation of GOD being born by a woman a Jewess Meriyam. That's what it refers to and the name YESHUA is not wrong you should know that since you use to be a Christian, which I doubt very much, you ever were
There were many "sons of God" in the Bible...doesn't make them to be part in a trinity....examples:
1. 2 Samuel 7:13-14 or 1 Corinthians 22:10 …He (Solomon) shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his father and he shall be my son.
2. Jeremiah 31:9…..I am father to Israel and Ephraim is my firstborn.
3. Romans 8:29…For whom he did foreknow, he also did prediestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn of many brethren.
(all of these are firstborn….then what is Jesus then?)
4. Matthew 5:48….That you may be the children of your Father..and be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
5..****Psalms 2:7….(God said to David)….I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me(David), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
No way is this about King David it is YESHUA your forgetting the next verses aren’t you?
Very typical Islam isn't it so I will post it for you.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. (King David never asked for the heathen or the uttermost parts of the earth for his possession did he? You should know you have read the Bible so you say and now I can see why you use to be a Christian)
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
And who is this Son we are suppose to kiss lest HE be angry surely not King David since he is dead a long time ago, and why should we trust a dead King David and why would we be blessed to trust this SON only in YESHUA are we being blessed when we trust in HIM
5. 2 Corinthians :18 ..And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

God sent messengers to teach mankind what they knew not. He sent orders and guidelines to follow. Men have been constantly going wrong since the beginning. Messengers have been given books to guide the people to the straight path. Those who take heed and adhere to the last book(which contains all the truths from before), they will be the winners. Those who don't will have a BAD RECKONING on the Day of Judgement when every soul will know what it has done.

take heed people
Yeah coming from you its really something take heed what a joke from an ex Christian your lost an on your way to hell and boy oh boy do I feel sorry for you because there is no excuse for you.
You know about YESHUA, and I don't mean the false YESHUA in your so-called holy book but the real one in the Bible. So stop giving us advise if it wasn't so serious it would funny hopefearmercy

 

[Vic C.]

show me just one place in the Bible where is says that Jesus were crucified on a friday
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA not crucified on a friday but on a wednesday read your GOD given Bible my friend and then you will se that Jesus or YESHUA in hebrew was crucified on a wednesday

Very good post. I see it went without a response. BTW, I agree with your statement above.

I can't believe some of the things I am reading here. What a total lack of Biblical understanding, yet they still plug away. :-?

 

[Gary]

More false information about Islam from Frost-X

Islam Does not rape children as you claim, Sex in islam is one of the Biggest sins in the sight of Allah if it's other than husband and Wife .

Sex is allowed only with husband and wife.

This is not true. We have many examples in Islam where Muhammad allowed sex with slaves and also allowed his followers to have sex (rape?) with women captured in battle WHILE THE HUSBANDS WERE STILL ALIVE!

Sex with slaves

FROM THE QURAN - 70:22-30

"Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord (for none is secure from the punishment of their Lord); who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."

This verse shows that Muslim men were allowed to have sex with their wives (of course) and their slave girls.

FROM THE QURAN - 23:5,6

"...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..."

Again, Muslim men were allowed to have sexual relations with their wives and slave girls.

FROM THE QURAN - 4:24

"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. (Muhammad Pickthall's English translation of the Quran).

This verse is one verse out of a long passage dealing with who Muslim men can marry or have sexual relations with. The phrase "captives whom your right hand possess", means the slave girls Muslim men own.

FROM THE QURAN - 33:50

"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."

This verse is for Muhammad. Supposedly, God allows Muhammad to have sex with his slave girls.

Muhammad had sex with a slave girl named Mariyam. He probably also had sex with another slave girl of his - Rayhana.

Mariyam was a Christian slave girl and she was given to Muhammad as a gift by the governor of Egypt. Muhammad got her pregnant and she gave birth to a son. Afterwards Muhammad married her. The son died 18 months later.

Sex with captured women

References:
Sahih Bukhari vol 3 #432, vol 9 #506, vol 5 #637
Sahih Muslim vol 2 #3371, vol 2 #3432
Sunan Dawud vol 2 #2150, vol 2 #2167

All of these Hadith relate to Muslim soldiers having sexual relations with newly captured female slaves. In some cases the women's husbands were still alive. After a battle, the captured women and children were divided between the Muslim soldiers as "booty", or spoils of war.

In Bukhari Volume 5 #637, it is shown that Ali had sex with one of the females before the distribution of "Khumus" occurred. This "Khumus" was 1/5 of the war booty to be used by Muhammad and his family, (Ali was Muhammad's son-in-law), and be used and distributed to the poor and needy. Here, Khalid, himself a member of Muhammad's family, took part of the Khumus prior to the distribution. That is why Buraida hated him in this case. Note that Muhammad supported Ali in this. There was no reproof at all. If anything, Muhammad thought Ali deserved more!

Here is the point: Muslim men were allowed to use female slaves for sex. If the slave was not pregnant she could be sold at a slave market. This is what Muhammad’s soldiers intended to do.

:o :o

-Reference-

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[allofus]

I remember studying in University and our History professor. Nice man but all he ever talked about was the sex lives of Henry the VII or VIII or both and all the other kings. He had a wealth of information on the sex lives of historical royalty and entertained us to no end. Needless to say, the exam had no such questions and I failed but only by a bit because I studied stuff he didn't talk about. Definitely not my best teacher.

 

[Vic C.]

:smt017 Heh? Is that a yes or a no? :smt102

 

[DivineNames]

Hindu do not worship God

Could you explain this.

Buddhists deny that God exists

Some Buddhists are explicitly atheist, some of them are happy to use the term "God".

New agers deny God His sovereignty

Do you mean that they don't go in for the image of God as a "transcendent monarch", as found in the major theistic religions?

The kind of God that gives us sometimes strange and immoral rules that have to be obeyed... The kind of God that participates in history to annihilate people...

New Agers would (I think) be more inclined towards Panentheism, rather than the "monarchial" kind of God.

Is that what you are saying?

Is that so terrible?

 

[DivineNames]

That would prove that the God I worship wasn't who He claimed to be, and that He was just as any of us, unjust.

Not necessarily. It could merely be that God has never claimed what you believe him to have claimed.

 

[DivineNames]

Hindu do not worship God

Bhagavad Gita 9:29-31


I am the same to all beings, and my love is ever the same;
but those who worship me with devotion, they are in me and I am in them.

For even if the greatest sinner worships me with all his soul,
he must be considered righteous, because of his righteous will.

And he shall soon become pure and reach everlasting peace.
For this is my word of promise, that he who loves me shall not perish.


(translation: Juan Mascaro)


I don't understand why you are saying that, "Hindu do not worship God".

Also, God tells us in the Gita that, "he who loves me shall not perish", and there is no mention that belief in Jesus is required.

:D

 

[Blazin Bones]

To Post #1:True Buddhists would be atheists, because Siddartha Guartama was and expressed such.

Yes, To make God less sovereign takes away from what Christ was worth as well.

To Post #2: yes, Jesus clearly taught that he alone is the path to the father. For God to go against this, He would would then be going against what God (Jesus) said AKA SIN. God can't sin, so Christ must be the only way.

To Post #3: Hindu's Worship many gods. However, they do not rever Christ as a their only salvation, so they can not trult worship Yahweh, even if the Hindu does consider Him as one of his gods.

 

[bibleberean]

1 Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

 

[DivineNames]

To Post #1:True Buddhists would be atheists, because Siddartha Guartama was and expressed such.

Really? What is your source?

I thought that he went against metaphysical speculation.



Something I found on the subject-


Is Buddhism Atheistic?


Many of the numerous lives of Buddha were spent as divine beings; yet, like so many religions that do not subscribe to the typical theology of other cultures, it is claimed of Buddhism that it is "atheistic." This contention was also laid upon early Christianity because that faith likewise did not acknowledge the reigning deities. As Church father Justin Martyr writes in his First Apology:

CHAPTER VI--CHARGE OF ATHEISM REFUTED.

Hence are we called atheists. And we confess that we are atheists, so far as gods of this sort are concerned, but not with respect to the most true God, the Father of righteousness and temperance and the other virtues, who is free from all impurity.

The Buddhist situation is quite similar to that of Christianity. In reality, every religion, sect and cult believes it has the "right god," and each could be deemed "atheistic" by another's standard. In the case of Buddhism, the Brahmans deemed Buddha an "atheist," because he supposedly did not believe in the Hindu devas; yet, as we have seen, Buddha was himself considered a deva. Elucidating this debate, the Catholic Encyclopedia states:

In the Buddhist conception of Nirvana no account was taken of the all-god Brahma. And as prayers and offerings to the traditional gods were held to be of no avail for the attainment of this negative state of bliss, Buddha, with greater consistency than was shown in pantheistic Brahminism, rejected both the Vedas and the Vedic rites. It was this attitude which stamped Buddhism as a heresy. For this reason, too, Buddha has been set down by some as an atheist. Buddha, however, was not an atheist in the sense that he denied the existence of the gods. To him the gods were living realities. In his alleged sayings, as in the Buddhist scriptures generally, the gods are often mentioned, and always with respect.

As concerns CE's remark about Buddha's "alleged sayings," the skepticism is not misplaced, except that one could as easily say the same in reference to Jesus. Indeed, it is clear that the aphorisms attributed to Jesus, like those of Buddha, are wisdom sayings or platitudes that had been floating around the world for centuries and millennia before being attributed to these mythical, spiritual figureheads.

Regarding Buddhism's purported "atheism," Dr. Inman comments:

It is asserted that Siddartha did not believe in a god, and that his Nirvana was nothing more than absolute annihilation….

To my own mind, the assertion that Sakya did not believe in God is wholly unsupported. Nay, his whole scheme is built upon the belief that there are powers above us which are capable of punishing mankind for their sins. It is true that these "gods" were not called Elohim, nor Jah, nor Jahveh, or Jehovah, nor Adonai, or Ehieh (I am), nor Baalim, nor Ashtoreth--yet, for "the son of Suddhodana" (another name for Sakya Muni, for he has almost as many, if not more than the western god), there was a supreme being called Brahma, or some other name representing the same idea as we entertain of the Omnipotent.

In reality, in its highest understanding Buddhism portrays the entire cosmos as divine. Concerning Buddhism's concept of the divine, Simpson states:

The Faith…began with the belief in a celestial, self-existent Being termed Adi Buddha or Iswara. Rest was the habitual statement of his existence. "Formless as a cypher or a mathematical point and separate from all things, he is infinite in form, pervading all and one with all."

This last sentence concerning "Adi Buddha" being separate yet pervasive sounds paradoxical, which is the case with Buddhism, as well as all religious systems that conceive of God as "omnipresent" yet wholly other. While Buddhism in general does not preach the notion of a giant, anthropomorphic male deity somewhere "out there," separate and apart from creation, the concepts of deity and divinity abound. In reality, in addition to the idea of Adi Buddha, Buddhism is full of wild, fabulous tales with divine beings of all sorts, especially Tibetan Buddhism, for example. Yet, like so many ancient religions, Buddhism was a polytheistic, pantheistic monotheism or monism. This polytheistic monotheism of Buddhism was described by the Abbé Huc, a Catholic priest who traveled to the East and was startled to discover the many important correspondences between Buddhism and Christianity:

With the respect to polytheism, Missionary Huc says, "that although their religion embraces many inferior deities, who fill the same offices that angels do under the Christian system, yet,"--adds M. Huc--"monotheism is the real character of Budhism;" and he confirms the statement by the testimony of a Thibetan.

Among these "inferior deities" are the devas. Although Buddha himself was said to have been a "deva" many times, it is paradoxically claimed that no deva can become a Buddha, and that the latter must incarnate as a man, not as a woman, a sexist notion that includes avoiding "all sins that would cause him to be born a woman." The fact that Buddha was depicted as having been a deva, in several "lives" and before taking birth as Siddhartha, nevertheless makes him a divine being, or godman. Indeed, Buddhist inscriptions address not only the celestial "self-existent Being" but also the "Supreme Being," as exemplified by the following inscription, found in Bengal at Budhagaya, and part of Moor's original chapter on Buddhism:

"Reverence be unto thee, in the form of Buddha: reverence be unto the Lord of the earth: reverence be unto thee, an incarnation of the Deity, and the Eternal One: reverence be unto thee, O God! in the form of the God of Mercy: the dispeller of pain and trouble; the Lord of all things; the Deity who overcomest the sins of the Kali Yug; the guardian of the universe; the emblem of mercy toward those who serve thee--O'M! the possessor of all things in vital form. Thou art Brahma, Vishnu, and Mahesa; thou are Lord of the universe;… Reverence be unto the bestower of salvation… I adore thee, who art celebrated by a thousand names, and under various forms, in the shape of Buddha, the God of Mercy.--Be propitious, O Most High God!"

Here, then, is a primary source that demonstrates a few important things: One is that Buddha himself is a god--the God, in fact. Another important point is that he is identified as Brahma and Vishnu, and the third is the similarity between his nature and that of Jesus.

As seen from this inscription, Buddha is "Lord of the earth," "an incarnation of the Deity," "O God!" the "God of mercy," "Lord of all things," "Lord of the universe" and "Most High God." Along with these divine epithets, Buddha is called "God of Gods," as well as "the great Physician," "Healer," "Savior," "Blessed One," "Savior of the World" and "God among gods."

The following is from a fuller translation of the Budhagaya inscription, by Charles Wilkins:

In the midst of a wild and dreadful forest, flourishing with trees of sweet-scented flowers, and abounding in fruits and roots…resided Booddha the Author of Happiness… This Deity Haree, who is the Lord Hareesa, the possessor of all, appeared in this ocean of natural beings at the close of the Devapara, and beginning of the Kalee Yoog: he who is omnipresent and everlastingly to be contemplated, the Supreme Being the Eternal one, the Divinity worthy to be adored by the most praise-worthy of mankind appeared here with a portion of his divine nature.

Once upon a time the illustrious Amara, renowned amongst men, coming here, discovered the place of the Supreme Being, Booddha, in the great forest. The wise Amara endeavoured to render the God Bouddha propitious by superior service…

The inscription goes on, with Amara having dreams and visions in which a voice speaks to him. Referring to "the Supreme Spirit Bouddha," the "Supreme Being, the incarnation of a portion of Veeshnoo," it continues with the same portion related by Moor, above, regarding the "Most High God," etc. This Most High God is also called the "purifier of the sins of mankind," "Bouddha, purifier of the sinful…" It is quite clear from this inscription that not only is Buddhism not atheistic, but the Supreme Being, the Eternal One, is called Buddha. He is also, like Jesus, the "bestower of salvation."

Moreover, another Christian scholar, Major Mahony, maintains that the Singhalese claim that, "before his appearance as a man," Buddha was a god and "the supreme of all the gods." Also, in the second century, Christian authority Clement of Alexandria related the worship by Indians of the "God Boutta." (Stromata, I.) Defining the Ceylonese word "Vehar," the writer Relandus stated:

Vehar signifies a temple of their principal God Buddou, who, as Clemens Alexandrinus has long ago observed, was worshipped as a God by the Hindoos.

With all the divine beings, including the umpteen Buddhas themselves, and the Supreme Being even called Buddha, it is evident that Buddhism is not "atheistic." In addition, Doane confirms that "son of God" is likewise an appropriate title for Buddha:

The sectarians of Buddha taught that he (who was the Son of God (Brahma) and the Holy Virgin Maya) is to be the judge of the dead.

Hence, in reality, deeming Buddha as God, a god, a godman, or son of God is accurate and appropriate.


from- http://www.truthbeknown.com/lifeofbuddha.htm

Life of Buddha, Excerpted from Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled by Acharya S