Would you be in support of banning the Koran in the USA?

[D46]

However, some Christians could easily look to God's guidance and saw that God ordered death for people that violated the 10 commandments. Now that could get scary.

I don't recall reading that. Where did you get that information? There were penalties for adultery by being stoned but, not death for all ten commandments. "Thy shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain." No one was ever put to death for that.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Clearly this went on for hundreds of years as the Old Testament throughout spoke of idols and groves and other gods. If they have been destroyed for this, we'd have no Old Testament. Even Solomon had different wives of various countries that introduced him to their gods and he did worship some of those himself.

1Kings 11:6-8 (KJV) And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

 

[bibleberean]

However, some Christians could easily look to God's guidance and saw that God ordered death for people that violated the 10 commandments. Now that could get scary.

I don't recall reading that. Where did you get that information? There were penalties for adultery by being stoned but, not death for all ten commandments. "Thy shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain." No one was ever put to death for that.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Clearly this went on for hundreds of years as the Old Testament throughout spoke of idols and groves and other gods. If they have been destroyed for this, we'd have no Old Testament. Even Solomon had different wives of various countries that introduced him to their gods and he did worship some of those himself.

1Kings 11:6-8 (KJV) And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

Actually brother, a man was put to death for taking the LORD's name in vain.

Leviticus 24:10 And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the children of Israel: and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel strove together in the camp;

Leviticus 24:11 And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of the LORD, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan

Leviticus 24:12 And they put him in ward, that the mind of the LORD might be shewed them.

Leviticus 24:13 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 24:14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.

Leviticus 24:15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.

Leviticus 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.

The fact is that this was a law in Israel and for Israel.

The nation of Israel was a Theocracy.

The church is not Israel and each individual government makes it's own laws.

The Church has one commission and it is not stoning people to death. It is to preach the gospel.

Israel was a sovereign nation in the clearest sense.

The reason God will not call upon the Church to stone sinners is because He has already declared that we should not do that.

So if some "Christian" group declares that they have special revelation from God to kill the heathen we already know that they didn't receive this alleged revelation from God.

Luke 9:52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.

Luke 9:53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.

Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

Luke 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

Luke 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Jesus did not say that Elijah was wrong for calling down fire but that this was a different time.

There will come a time when it will not be pretty for non-believers.

When Christ returns He will vindicate Himself and those who wait and watch for Him.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

2 Thessalonians 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

So, rest and take comfort in the fact that Christ will repay...

There is no amount of reasoning that will convince an atheistic fool (psalms 53:1) that God is good and God is just.

God has the position they want.

They are "chips off the old block".

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Come quickly Lord Jesus!

 

[Quath]

Atheistic communists murdered more than 40 million people in Russia under Stalin. Could it happen again? That is scary. :smt104

Most Atheists either ignore people that don't believe or try to put their beliefs into the public sphere more. :-?

Communism turned into something like a religion. I prefer to call it blind ideology. It was unquestionable and dogmatic.

Also Stalin was raised in Christian schools. So it was not like he had a secular upbringing.

But you are right in that such an event could happen again. But what to watch out for is blind ideology by any group. If the government stops people from questioning and starts denying civil rights, then that is the time to be wary.

Ok I have said this 2 times before on this forum. And that is. That there were 613 laws of Moses, now the Sacrificial laws are gone, because Jesus took them out of the way by becoming the sacrificial lamb. But them Moral laws still stand. You don't sleep with your sister, you don't rape, you don't cheat people out of their wages that they, worked for you for, you don't sleep with another man, if you are a man also. If you cause a man to lose his eye or something, pay that man. And the list goes on. So when people tell me, we don't have to go by the law anymore, I say that is not totaly true, we have the 10 commandments, and we have others that Christians today still should go by. One last instance, should 2 sisters make love or a mother and son. Need I say more, so the Moral laws still stand, I don't care what nobody says
And the ones I named are just a few of them, out of that 613, there are plenty more Moral laws in there.

You are going by personal opinion here. Jesus says that none of the laws were going away until Heaven abd Earth passed away. Since Earth is here, the laws should still be in effect.

God does not label His commandments as "dietary laws" or "punishment laws" or "Israelite only laws." This is later interpretation. There is nothing that says that any group of laws is removed and which follow under that law.

God laws was to kill nonvirgin brides. This is just as much a laws as considering lobsters an abomination or honoring parents.

People pick and choose which laws they want to obey and say Jesus got rid of the bad ones.

Quath

 

[bibleberean]

Some people turn the bible into something it isn't. I call it blind Theology.

Atheism is a blind ideology.

There are Christians that may say that Jesus did away with "bad laws" in the OT but that doesn't make it so.

There were no bad laws in the OT and Jesus did not come to do away with the law.

Most of the laws were for Israel exlusively as already explained...

This thread is about the Koran and should it be banned.

Would you be in support of banning the Koran in the USA?

 

[D46]

Actually brother, a man was put to death for taking the LORD's name in vain.

Hmmmm....I had forgotten I read that before. I stand corrected. As for the Koran being banned here in the great USA, perhaps I have a little John Wayne mentality about that in that I don't think the one's that hold to the principles in the Koran should be here-much less their heathen bible. These people have no respect for life or this country as was evidenced by the 911 attack. They have created caos throughout the world with their "jehad" and they have a different God and a different gospel that, for the most part, is soley violent. The bible calls their ancestor a "wild man". If this were Old Testament times, people as this would have been driven out of the country or totally destroyed. 1 Samuel 15:2-3

Genesis 16:11-12 (KJV) And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

 

[Lewis]

Genesis 16:11-12 (KJV) And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Yes David I am with you on that, I don't like the Quran being here ether, I don't like Muslims being here. But there is nothing that I can do about it.
And yes they did come from Ishmael. I know a lot of Muslims and and some of them are ok, and then I know some that are very violent, and they have a twisted way of thinking, they act just like a lot of those idiots we are over there fighting now, they have the same type mind. And I don't trust them. And they don't trust me. They have no respect for the Christian. But they want you to respect Islam.

Ezekiel 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

 

[D46]

And I don't trust them. And they don't trust me. They have no respect for the Christian. But they want you to respect Islam.

They consider Jesus to be just another prophet and not the fleshly embodiment of God. Do we really want this kind of teaching to become part of the scholastic requirement in our schools? Evolution is already an alternative to the "theory" of creation. How long do you think it would take to have the Koran (Quran) introduced into our schools as another "alternative" measure as to who God really is?

God loved Ishmael just as he did Issac. However, had God not wanted us all to be separate, I don't think he would have ever confused the languages and place everyone in different geographical locations. This is not a peaceful religion by any standard and Muhammad was no prophet of God and Islam is not Christianity.

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 (KJV) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

 

[D46]

Something to ponder....

The London subway bombings and assassination of Van Gogh in Holland are beginning to awaken Europe to the huge Muslim problem there. Up to this point, leaders have assumed that the stream of immigrants from Islamic countries would adopt western values and assimilate into the European culture.

Indeed, many have gotten jobs and schooling not available in their home countries and are enjoying the freedoms and prosperity. But a significant number are following the hard line teachings of the Koran, challenged by radical clerics to bring Europe under Islamic law.

One disturbing factor was that some of the London bombers were not freshly immigrated. They were born, raised and educated in Britain. Even members of their families were shocked by their actions, not aware of their radical worldview.

At first Muslim immigrants appeared to assimilate and adapt to the western culture. Now, radical elements are stirring the Muslim youth to obey the Koran and declare jihad on the western "infidels." The hope that "moderate" Muslim leaders would prevent violence now seems remote. British Prime Minister Tony Blair has declared his intent to deport those who advocate violence. This may be a bigger job than he anticipates.

France, with its "live and let live" culture, has become a magnet for Muslims. One aging Italian journalist observed: "Muslims declare openly: 'We must take advantage of the democratic space that France offers us, we must exploit democracy, that is, make use of it to occupy territory.'" The journalist is in hiding from death threats for exposing Islam's radical agenda in a recent book.

Islamic leaders believe that time is on their side. Birthrates of the native European countries are far below replacement rates. Their pleasure-seeking culture does not want to be bothered with the inconveniences of large families. Europe now desperately needs the millions of aborted babies who would be growing up to maintain the culture, expand the economy, and counter the influence of the invaders.

Muslim leaders are keenly aware that their large families will eventually outnumber the Europeans. One recent study estimated that 20 percent of the teens in Europe were Muslim. A pregnant Muslim in France bragged that her baby's generation would be the rulers of the country.

Kosovo, in eastern Europe, provides a lesson of life when Islam dominates. When the fighting ended in the late 1990s, Muslims were in majority. Since then, over 200,000 Orthodox Serbs have fled the country. 150 churches have been burned and 200 mosques constructed. 18,000 legal complaints have been filed against Muslims for confiscation of property.

In America, this cultural jihad is somewhat behind Europe. Nevertheless, it is on track. Thousands of mosques now dot the land. As Muslim influence grows, these mosques become more than places of worship. They become cultural and education centers promoting Islamic political rule. In every Islamic country, there is no separation between government and religion. The West is dreaming if it thinks that it will be any different here under Muslim domination.

Historically, the only effective counter to the Islamic Jihad is the gospel. Twice in history, Muslim hordes have attempted to force Islam on the West. They were stopped by military force motivated by Christian ideology. Only a return by the West to the God of the Bible can stop this new invasion.

 

[Ajax 777]

Only a return by the West to the God of the Bible can stop this new invasion.

My thoughts exactly.