Would you call this abortion?

[stovebolts]

God tells us we are responsible for our nation. You seem to overlook that responsibility by allowing others the choice to make bad choices easily and legally. By legalizing abortion, you have just put your blessing on the process to kill innocent children by abhorant means which you freely admit.

And you are STILL trying to show me something you can't find in the bible and that you have the right to do what you would like to do to stop them because I feel that is a MURDER.
I feel you keep over looking the fact that she could have lived (some would still die) if she was aloud to make that choice.

This is why I asked you to read Jeremiah (at least 50-52) and then Lamentations. Remember way back when I asked you to read those books? History has a way of repeating itself. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jeremiah warned the people of their impending doom if they did not repent of their sins. Sure enough, God smit the Isrealites and allowed Babalonia to conquer them. As an added bonus, the Isrealites began to eat their own children because they were starving to death. Does that kind of give you an idea how their moral stature had declined?

And one other thing.
We have already stated we believe the God we worship (the one and only in my eyes) thinks that murder is wrong I think we made it clear abortion would be a sin in our beliefs. So as in quoting the bible to prove it is just speaking to the choir because we agree.

Please keep those words fresh in your memory...

Two things you have yet and will never be able to change the facts on
1. If I would let women make the choice to have an abortion some of them will live just because of that choice you can say well few compare the numbers... and all I will say to you 1 death at my hands makes ME a murderer.

What you say is true from that perspective. However, to what impact does your choice not to choose have on the picture as a whole? What happens when we take a different perspective.
From a different angle, would it not be safe to say that freely allowing a woman to arbitrarily kill their child, would also be considered a form of murder? In other words, where do you start to take on the responsibilty for others?
Lets look at cause and effect here, because that's really the issue.
Cause, allow mothers the right to kill their own children for any reason.
Effect, innocent children are murdered yearly. An extreemly small hand full of women's lives are saved. As a result of allowing anyone to get an abortion, the value of life is undermined through selfish acts. No longer are teens afraid of having unprotected sex because if they get the woman pregnant, they can just abort the child. After all, havn't we become a throw away society anyway?
In the long run, society as a whole devalues. According to scripture, (and history in general) when the values of a society devalue, the society collapes.

2. There are many different beliefs and there are lots that don't believe as you do on the issue as myself and it is not your right to force YOUR beliefs on others by using OUR government to do it. You need to separate the two because that is where problems begin.

But this is a powerstruggle and the door swings both ways. You say I don't have the right to vote for a ban on abortion, and I say you don't have the right to allow innocent children to be slaughtered at the whim of the parents. You use the words Force, I use the words Allow.
You say I don't have the right to enforce God's laws (which by the way you agree with), I say that you don't have the right to allow innocent children to be destroyed for no apparent reason. (which I'm looking at as allowing murder, which is worse from my perspective)
You say to love your neighbor, that does not mean enabling. I love my child and it's because I love him that I will not allow him to go against God's will while I have the option to enable him to make good choices in the future. I do not allow my child free reign and he knows that there are consequences to his actions if he chooses to dis-obey. We have all been appointed the task of being a good stewart, and that task has been extended to my neighbor.
Here is a verse you have been looking for.
Luke 16:11-13 If therefore you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? And if you have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own? No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

So, would this concept apply to other items, such as human life? I think so for the simple fact that "True Riches" are mentioned. (which has nothing to do with mammon [money]). In the case of a woman, what if the child was yours. Would you decide to abort the child because you didn't want it? What about the part, "which is another man's". I look at this verse and it applies to the context of abortion from my humble opinion.

Sorry Child and Adult I can not look at the same way when it comes to making life’s choices

A life is a life and I don't know too many mothers that wouldn't sacrafice their lives for their children.
Again, if both the mother and child were at high risk of both dieing, then we are talking about a different scenerio.

I fully understand your perspective. I can only hope that you see mine.

 

[SavedthroughChrist]

Re: Would you call this abortion

DrDiotte,

Ok I think I know what you mean, but maybe not so here goes.

If by a law you mean a doctor for some reason had to remove a child from the mother before it was fully mature and the child was alive then the doctor in my opinion should do all in his power to save the child, or I'd say yes it was an abortion. There have been abortions where the child has come out crying and was throw in the trash this I don't just call abortion , But Murder!!

I agree totally. If the docter does everything he can to save the child, it is not and abortion. If he just removes it and disregards its condition, it is an abortion.