YHWH: the Father's Name, and the Son's Name

[jasonc]

Are you saying Jesus wasn't YHWH? I believe that is the doctrine JW's profess. One came to my door last week I think it was and wanted to hand me some literature, and I just commented "Jesus is God," and a miracle occurred; they vanished. Well they left anyway.

nope. just stating that Abraham called god el-shaddai and that God in that verse tell moses that the fathers of the Hebrew nation weren't calling him YHWH but el-shaddai all the while God said it was HIM!

it also should be noted that in Judaism el-shadai( the shepherd) is linked to the moshiac.

 

[Eugene]

It also should be noted that in Judaism el-shadai( the shepherd) is linked to the moshiac.

Just a question, why are any of Jewish heritage so fond of using words like "Moshiac" instead of Jesus, the anointed one which is common vernacular?

 

[JLB]

Amen brother. Being around pentecostal folks, I use to say that Jesus is the Word of God!!!! in my mind, He was God, but the Word part of God. If I really think back and was honest with myself, I actually believed Jesus was like a 1/3 part of God, being the Word part, the Holy Spirit being the power end and the Father like the creator part.

I believed they were separate, but it was more of a modelist point of view. Leaning toward the 1 becomes 3 and not the 3 are as one. I was just following everyone else.

We follow things without comparing scriptures, praying about it and seeking what's right ourselves. I wish we all were not like that, but we are if we are not constantly on guard and willing to learn and change.

I was thanking God for something He did for me, then I thanked Jesus, but then said, "No, Jesus your God also, so I thank you." I had really just lumped them all into one, but was really being thankful.

Then I heard a voice, not with my ears, but inside, and for some reason I knew it was not the Father. It was very strange but He said........... "I Am, I am Not my Father." It was straight forward and very loud and matter of fact. Like a correction. It took several years to sort it out as the doctrine was just that deep.

As you said, Jesus here before the foundation of the World with the Father, the Father saying to him. Let us make man in our image. All things the Father made were for him (By Greek Word dia, meaning through or because of something) That the Son would have all preeminence of all things predestined before the World was made, the Father giving Glory to the Son, restored back as the Son came and was faithful in all things and without sin having the bondage of flesh by which he rightfully could call us brothers and sisters.

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

There is One Lord God, the Father of all things the Savior whom sent his son by whom all things consisted.

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(Jud 1:4)

Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
(Isa 46:9)

Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
(1Co 8:6)

There is One God the father of whom all things became and One Lord Jesus Christ by (Through and because of) are all things and we by Him.

That is TWO!!!! The Son as one with the Father and we in the Son as one, with them.

Oneness, versions of the Trinity, and modelism attempt to make the Son just as part of the Same God system, but the Son is Lord of Lords, King of Kings, the one true God and given all things, and all things put under his feet. It's the spirit of the antichrist who has tried to erase and diminish God the Father actually having a real son whom he honored and exalted. One reason I am not a big fan of these Trinity, Modelist, and oneness doctrines.

The Original Trinity doctrine has Jesus begotten before the foundation of the World. (325ad) He was only begotten by the spoken word as human, and has no creation date, but always has been with the Father.

blessings.

Jesus was definitely begotten before the foundation of the world which why the scripture says He is the first born over all creation.

God the Father did not beget a man.

God the Father beget the Son, who is God.

The Son is God the creator of all things.

The Son, the Word became flesh.


JLB

 

[jasonc]

Just a question, why are any of Jewish heritage so fond of using words like "Moshiac" instead of Jesus, the anointed one which is common vernacular?

I use moshiac, that is the word for messiah. it is really hamashiac but judiasm doesn't use that term so they modified it to moshiac. I merely use that to state then Judaism the el-shaddai is linked to the anointed one.

 

[jocor]

Jesus was definitely begotten before the foundation of the world which why the scripture says He is the first born over all creation.

What verse are you referring to?

God the Father did not beget a man.

Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;​

Did Paul make a mistake by calling Yeshua a "man"?

 

[Gregg]

Would you accept Him addressed as the God of peace that raised Jesus from the grave as being YHWH?

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

1 Thes 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is the very purpose of the Holy Spirit in our lives is to separate us unto God's perfect will for us through His power. It is a walk of holiness He purposes for us.

I am not sure what your point is, or how it relates to this thread . . . which is about the Father and the Son having the Name YHWH.

I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit is God, He being the third Person of the Trinity.

 

[rthom7]

Dear Brother rthom7, you have identified Our Father and Jesus as YHWH, but how would you identify the God of peace who is the Holy Spirit?

You said “There are at least two YHWH who exist, the Father and the Son.” Have you considered that there are exactly three YHWN who exist as one God?

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

Yes brother Eugene, I would love to find references to the Holy Spirit as YHWH, but my understanding of Hebrew is a child like faith, perhaps you can supply some descriptors for me ?

I do believe in the Father Son and Holy Spirit as three members of GOD. Shalom

 

[Eugene]

I am not sure what your point is, or how it relates to this thread . . . which is about the Father and the Son having the Name YHWH.

I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit is God, He being the third Person of the Trinity.

I reckon I should ask that if you believe the Holy Spirit is God, do you also believe He is a lesser than Jehovah (YHWH, the official name of God) written as LORD in certain scripture? What I was attempting to show is that the Holy Spirit is that Spirit of God, also said to be the God of peace who raised Jesus from the dead. To me the OP seemed to take the turn that only our Father and Jesus are officially LORD.

 

[rthom7]

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If we read the word consistently without concepts of Trinity, Modelism, Or Oneness, then we read that verse a whole lot different. We would read it for what it says.

The Word was made into something. God spoke, and it comes to pass. Matter is formed, events change, Kingdoms change. God calls those things that be not as though they were and his Word never returns void, it comes to pass and can't be changed.

Jesus came to pass, begotten as human through Mary. He was born a child.

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

God speaks, it happens. This is not saying Jesus is some Word part of a God system, or the Word spiritually and/or physically. Rev only says His name means the Word as he was sent in the last days to give the Word of God,

Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

In Acts we are told that Word God spoke had been fulfilled. Jesus came, the only human begotten by the Father. We are also born of the Word, but through the words of the Son.

We have to be careful of these doctrines and compare scriptures.



That would be a Modelist route to take, and very hard if not impossible to defend as Modelist borrow from Oneness and Trinity then mix them up. It would be better to define what exactly "god" means in scriptures, then examine that. The Holy Spirit by definition of theos would be considered a god. A immortal being of uncertain origin or someone immortal. Satan also got the title though and Jesus called us theos (As in we also are immortal and will end up someplace in the end, created in the image of God)

Original Trinity Doctrine 325ad did not include the Holy Spirit, but Jesus was the son and God was the Father (TWO) but both of the some God essence. Not just One God, but of the same class. Later changed (Much Later) to there are 3 in the God head, each different. This came about because Alexandria Wanted to make Jesus a minor deity and the Catholic church would have none of that.

Later on to explain how there can be 3 different beings, with their own report but become one was just said to be a mystery of the Christian faith. Southern Baptist say it's far to much for the finite mind of man to understand. Methodist say it's a puzzle. I say hogwash, it's not that complicated.

Husband and wife become one flesh, but still two, and we are told that is also a mystery.

Blessings.

Interesting things your write Brother Mike....I do not understand Modelist theories of faith, but surely aren't there always existed three co-eternal Beings in GOD ?

Take the oldest book in the Bible, Job...

Job 40:1 ¶ Moreover the LORD "YHWH" answered Job, and said,
2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty "SHADDAY" instruct him? he that reproveth God "ELOAH", let him answer it.

Some can write such poetry off as parallels? But are there not THREE functional descriptors of GOD here ?
Yet they act as united singularity....SHalom

 

[Brother Mike]

Jesus was definitely begotten before the foundation of the world which why the scripture says He is the first born over all creation.

God the Father did not beget a man.

God the Father beget the Son, who is God.

The Son is God the creator of all things.

The Son, the Word became flesh.


JLB

He was the first born of all "Creation" Scripture says we are the 1st, 2nd, so on in the list under him.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

When scripture talks about Begotten, the Thing God declared in Psalms "Today a son is born, I have begotten thee" is a physical being born of water and blood. Jesus had to have a physical body to make things legal. So any reference to Jesus being begotten is refereed back to physical earth as a human child.
He was the firstborn here of many, us included. The son of God has no creation date, nor any scriptures that says he was made by the Father. Jesus said I come from the Father.
The first version of the Trinity account is Wrong, but then they did not have computers to look up scriptures in a blink of an eye either. Jesus was not mentioned as being begotten before the World was made. No place in scripture.

I missed you Brother, and love you. Been truck driving.
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I reckon I should ask that if you believe the Holy Spirit is God, do you also believe He is a lesser than Jehovah (YHWH, the official name of God) written as LORD in certain scripture? What I was attempting to show is that the Holy Spirit is that Spirit of God, also said to be the God of peace who raised Jesus from the dead. To me the OP seemed to take the turn that only our Father and Jesus are officially LORD.

Paul said to us there are only two......... God the Father and the Lord Jesus as there be many things rightfully called gods. God is a generic term in scriptures and has to be defined as false god's and Satan also have the title. The Lord God of Israel for example there is no mistake who is being referenced.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

We don't want to look at things as lesser or greater, we just read the scriptures and find out. Looking at things lesser or greater started the Trinity Doctrine in the first place 325ad when Eqypt wanted to make Jesus a lesser deity. The Catholic church would have none of that.

The Holy Spirit does not speak of his own, and has to hear something before telling us. This removes him from being the Father or the Lord Jesus, but He is God's Spirit, owned by God. Not God the Father Himself though who is also a Spirit and in heaven as Jesus said he was.

God sent his spirit on earth to testify of Jesus, comfort us, and responds to the spoken Word in Miraculous ways. The Holy Spirit also reproves the World of sin, softens hearts and can remove every mountain on the planet if God commanded.

The Holy Spirit gives access to the Father. Everything goes through those who have the Spirit of God. We tend to think everything just goes directly to God, but it's through the Holy Spirit first.

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

So, through Jesus we have access by One spirit to God the Father.

The Holy Spirit has seven attributes (Isa, Rev) Is God's Spirit, by definition of Theos A God, same as us though, so ............ I am sure it will be explained once we shed this mortal body and are able to comprehend things of the spirit better.

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Interesting things your write Brother Mike....I do not understand Modelist theories of faith, but surely aren't there always existed three co-eternal Beings in GOD ?

Take the oldest book in the Bible, Job...

Job 40:1 ¶ Moreover the LORD "YHWH" answered Job, and said,
2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty "SHADDAY" instruct him? he that reproveth God "ELOAH", let him answer it.

Some can write such poetry off as parallels? But are there not THREE functional descriptors of GOD here ?
Yet they act as united singularity....SHalom

Modelist attempt to prove trinity in scripture and it always leans toward the Oneness doctrine. All three doctrines can not be proved in scripture and the Trinity doctrine took the stance that it's a mystery of the Christian faith, so it don't need explaining.

Most believers fight to keep a monotheism belief....... (Only One God) "One God and One mediator between God and man, the Lord Jesus Christ"
(If there is only one, then guess we don't have a mediator, as scripture says a mediator is between two)


This does not make Jesus not God though, He is the Son of God, and God just like his father. The Father called his son God. John called Jesus the True God, and Thomas called Jesus God, and Jesus did not correct him on it. He is just not his Father.

Think of the word god as a class of something. Jesus called us gods, and satan was called god. The term god in the bible does not denote any type of power or ability as people severed false gods. Jesus called us gods because we were made like him and the Father. In their image, same class.

Polytheism believes in more than one God. NT scripture always defined both the Father and Son. One God the Father, One Lord Jesus Christ.

Oneness split the Assemblies of God Church eventually in 1927, the Doctrine came about in 1914. There is ONE God who manifest into 3 different beings, but there is Only just One.

Trinity says there are 3 different beings, but are as One. Jesus is not the Father, Not the Holy Spirit but all One in the Godhead.
This is a mystery, like Husband and Wife being one flesh is also a mystery Paul said.

All 3 have always been before anything was created.

 

[JLB]

Brother Mike said -

He was the first born of all "Creation" Scripture says we are the 1st, 2nd, so on in the list under him.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

When scripture talks about Begotten, the Thing God declared in Psalms "Today a son is born, I have begotten thee" is a physical being born of water and blood. Jesus had to have a physical body to make things legal. So any reference to Jesus being begotten is refereed back to physical earth as a human child.
He was the firstborn here of many, us included. The son of God has no creation date, nor any scriptures that says he was made by the Father. Jesus said I come from the Father.
The first version of the Trinity account is Wrong, but then they did not have computers to look up scriptures in a blink of an eye either. Jesus was not mentioned as being begotten before the World was made. No place in scripture.


4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. 5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.
Hebrews 10:4-5


The body that the Son of God lived in upon this earth was created by the Holy Spirit and conceived by Mary.

He Himself is uncreated God.

Mary did not give birth to the Only Begotten Son. Mary gave birth the the body that Jesus entered the world through.

He was the Only Begotten of the Father, before He became flesh, as it is clear He was with the Father in the beginning.

In the Old Testament, He is referred to as:

The Angel of the Lord

The Lord - YHWH - I AM

God

God Almighty.


You are the Blessed!

Much Love to you Brother. Be safe out there.


JLB

 

[Gregg]

I reckon I should ask that if you believe the Holy Spirit is God, do you also believe He is a lesser than Jehovah (YHWH, the official name of God) written as LORD in certain scripture? What I was attempting to show is that the Holy Spirit is that Spirit of God, also said to be the God of peace who raised Jesus from the dead.

The Holy Spirit is no lesser than the Father or the Son. Yes, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father; and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Son.

To me the OP seemed to take the turn that only our Father and Jesus are officially LORD.

I did not mention the Holy Spirit in the OP; but the absence of His mention does not insinuate anything. The Father and the Son are often spoken of in the Scriptures together and individually without mentioning the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit never glorifies Himself, but always points us to the Son and to the Father.

 

[Eugene]

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Son

Dear Brother Gregg, I'm presently transcribing a study from CD's given by Gene Hawkins that has the following excerpt below that may be of interest to you. I have yet to edit punctuation to reflect voice inflection that may add additional emphasis to his words.

"The mistake many people make is assuming that the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ are the same, and they are not. The Spirit of God is the power of the Holy Ghost. The Spirit of Christ refers to His own Spirit. and the Holy Spirit takes Christ’s Spirit, and He implants that life in a person the moment he believes. That’s why He says, if any man doesn't have the spirit of Christ. It means if any man has not experienced the new birth, he doesn't belong to Jesus, and so he is none of His, but the Spirit of God dwelling in him is what I want to emphasize here. The Spirit of God dwelling in him indeed means that the Holy Ghost has taken up residence in that body, and He is the One who is directing that body day after day after day after day."

 

[Brother Mike]

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. 5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.
Hebrews 10:4-5


The body that the Son of God lived in upon this earth was created by the Holy Spirit and conceived by Mary.

He Himself is uncreated God.

Mary did not give birth to the Only Begotten Son. Mary gave birth the the body that Jesus entered the world through.

He was the Only Begotten of the Father, before He became flesh, as it is clear He was with the Father in the beginning.

In the Old Testament, He is referred to as:

The Angel of the Lord

The Lord - YHWH - I AM

God

God Almighty.


You are the Blessed!

Much Love to you Brother. Be safe out there.


JLB

Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
(Heb 10:5)

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. (Spoken and put in Motion)

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(Joh 1:14)


No man has ever seen God at any time; the only [5] unique Son, or [6] the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].(7)
(Joh 1:18) (What God has spoken came to pass by the Word through the power of the Holy Spirit)


Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. (Confirmed and fulfilled)

This day fulfilled in 3 places say when the son was born, the begotten had taken place. I would really need that scripture that says the Son was begotten before the foundation of the World.

Jesus called an Angel? That is also hard because Malak just means messenger, it did not really denote a spirit being like the Greek has. Would need a Word that denotes a class of something, not a function of something.
I believe we got the term Angel from aggelos which also means messenger with good tidings.

These are so very small squibbles compared to the actual men doctrines of Trinity, Modelism, and Pentecostal Oneness.

Be blessed.

 

[JLB]

Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
(Heb 10:5)

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. (Spoken and put in Motion)

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(Joh 1:14)


No man has ever seen God at any time; the only [5] unique Son, or [6] the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].(7)
(Joh 1:18) (What God has spoken came to pass by the Word through the power of the Holy Spirit)


Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. (Confirmed and fulfilled)

This day fulfilled in 3 places say when the son was born, the begotten had taken place. I would really need that scripture that says the Son was begotten before the foundation of the World.

Jesus called an Angel? That is also hard because Malak just means messenger, it did not really denote a spirit being like the Greek has. Would need a Word that denotes a class of something, not a function of something.
I believe we got the term Angel from aggelos which also means messenger with good tidings.

These are so very small squibbles compared to the actual men doctrines of Trinity, Modelism, and Pentecostal Oneness.

Be blessed.

18 No one has seen God [The Father] at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18

Who was it that Abraham saw? Jesus before He became flesh. Jesus is YHWH God!

1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.

8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."



JLB

 

[Deborah13]

gah, the YHWH SHALOM is the YHWH. see the appropriate verses for that, Exodus 6:3

YLT
Exo 6:2 And God (Elohim) speaketh unto Moses, and saith unto him, `I am Jehovah (YHVH),
Exo 6:3 and I appear unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty(El Shadai); as to My name Jehovah (YHVH), I have not been known to them; (...)mine
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/exo6.pdf

El Shaddai. He is sufficient.

 

[jasonc]

YLT
Exo 6:2 And God (Elohim) speaketh unto Moses, and saith unto him, `I am Jehovah (YHVH),
Exo 6:3 and I appear unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty(El Shadai); as to My name Jehovah (YHVH), I have not been known to them; (...)mine
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/exo6.pdf

El Shaddai. He is sufficient.

theres a many definitions to that name, look up aleph beit from chabad.org with the kabbalah vidoes, el-shaddai also means great provider, great mountain and also He acts a shepherd. the patriarchs were like sheep and needed protection and a firm hand to guide them.

 

[Eugene]

theres a many definitions to that name, look up aleph beit from chabad.org with the kabbalah vidoes, el-shaddai also means great provider, great mountain and also He acts a shepherd. the patriarchs were like sheep and needed protection and a firm hand to guide them.

I didn't know Chabad was Christian? Is there something they know about God that all the words, and examples were to teach them that didn't have an effect? I reckon I would refer to such a worldly organization if I were researching the failure of man in his pretense of pursuing God with a hardened heart. They don't understand the word of God, they became adulterous in their hearts, and you want me to go to them for wisdom. If they knew the true meaning of things and words God gave them, they would also be in Christ as you are. Hopefully you'll not next recommend reading the Talmud.

 

[Brother Mike]

18 No one has seen God [The Father] at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18

Who was it that Abraham saw? Jesus before He became flesh. Jesus is YHWH God!

1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.

8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."



JLB

You have to assume a few things with this, using some doctrine. Father and Son, both same class, both Almighty. Jesus said Almighty in Rev.

Scripture says in the last days, God sent his son to speak the Word, not the days when Abraham was around.

Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
(Eph 3:4-5)

God did not even reveal his son until later, so I would need that scripture in the OT where we can say Jesus spoke the Word before the Last days and it's the Son speaking, not the Father here and there.

Unless of course someone believes in oneness. If that is the case then there is no Son, just One God who has extreme personality issues. So then we can claim it's the Son part of God speaking.

 

[jasonc]

I didn't know Chabad was Christian? Is there something they know about God that all the words, and examples were to teach them that didn't have an effect? I reckon I would refer to such a worldly organization if I were researching the failure of man in his pretense of pursuing God with a hardened heart. They don't understand the word of God, they became adulterous in their hearts, and you want me to go to them for wisdom. If they knew the true meaning of things and words God gave them, they would also be in Christ as you are. Hopefully you'll not next recommend reading the Talmud.

the are quoted in other CHRISTIAN books I have and others, chopper quote the jonathan targum, that is in the Talmud. its pre Christ , if were are going to ignore the pre Christian era of the mishna, and oral thoughts then lets ignore john one

In the beginning was the word, and word as with god..

where is the word(mera in aramiac) in the tanach? its not. god isn't called mera in the tanach so it came by way of the sages and then through the targums which called the heshem(mera) or word.

aleph beit in proto Hebrew is shown by pictographs to mean.. the strong bull and the beit means house also the or the other letter for shaddai that is associated with it is the shephards hook. proto Hebrew is older then I think king davids time.