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You can be ONCE SAVED and ALWAYS SAVED!

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TruthSeeker2012 said:
My answer is YES! I have dealt with everyone in a Christian manner to get to the truth! Sometimes to get to the truth takes a certain approach.

Now answer me a question, fair is fair, as I answered you. Did Stephen treat the people fair and was in control when he yelled at them and called them STIFF NECKED HYPOCRITES? Notice it made them so angry that they killed Stephen! Also note that Acts says Stephen was FILLED with the Holy Spirit at the time.

If you were there observing Stephens behaviour and comments, would you have said to Stephen what you said to me? Please answer honestly.
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Yes I would. I don't believe in Stephens, nor do I follow him as a model of truth. If I see a behavior that to me doesn't jive with the teachings of Jesus I would seek clarification.

Also, what truth are you trying to get to that is so important?
 
westtexas said:
NOPE.
Is that too many letters? YES or NO?
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No.

But I must admit I find what you teach disturbing because according to you, a born again Christian CANNOT remain SAVED ALWAYS and MUST LOSE THEIR SALVATION! That is a very disturbing doctrine you are teaching and it contradicts Jesus and Bible which says the opposite that WE CAN KNOW WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!

Anyone teaching that a BORN AGAIN Christian CANNOT remain SAVED ALWAYS is not teaching biblical doctrine in my opinion.:screwloose
 
eddy said:
Yes I would. I don't believe in Stephens, nor do I follow him as a model of truth. If I see a behavior that to me doesn't jive with the teachings of Jesus I would seek clarification.

Also, what truth are you trying to get to that is so important?
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1. eddy, so you do not believe all of Bible was God breathed and that Stephen was filled with the Holy Spirit at the time and doing God's will when he yelled at them calling them stiff necked hypocrites?

I realise you may have sat there and thought it was completely inappropriate, but realise the Bible says Stephen was FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT at the time.

2. The truth I am trying to share and get out into the open is that a born again Christian can have assurance in their salvation and that they can KNOW they have ETERNAL LIFE NOW!

1 John 5:12-13 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 Many false teachers come along and try to rob Christians of assurance of God's love and acceptance and place them into bondage and legalism and false gospel and try to place them under WITCHCRAFT:

"...Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?" - Galatians 3:1-3
 
TruthSeeker2012 said:
Anyone teaching that a BORN AGAIN Christian CANNOT remain SAVED ALWAYS is not teaching biblical doctrine in my opinion.:screwloose
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Nobody on this forum has said that. A born again Christian can remained saved. This is what everyone is attempting to tell you- it's impossible to have a solid theological discussion with a YES or No answer.
 
TruthSeeker2012 said:
Words of maturity, discernment and wisdom eddy and it shows me you have a high awareness to understand certain things. :thumbsup

But most people cannot answer maturely a question that challenges their beliefs, they are insecure and it makes them angry, so instead of focusing on the topic at hand and be mature about it, they instead turn to personal attacks.
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I think all of us can become frustrated when we feel under attack.

I would like to whittle down this topic. Often the lack of answers is often from asking the wrong questions.

I am new to the OSAS as a problem. All my years in church it never came up. To me it is a nearly impossible philisophical question that seems to be a arguement favorite on forums.

My question is why is it important?
 
westtexas said:
Nobody on this forum has said that. A born again Christian can remained saved. This is what everyone is attempting to tell you- it's impossible to have a solid theological discussion with a YES or No answer.
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Now you have done a complete backflip. So now you admit that a Born again christian CAN be SAVED and ALWAYS REMAIN SAVED! A complete turn around from what you said earlier.
 
TruthSeeker2012 said:
But I must admit I find what you teach disturbing because according to you, a born again Christian CANNOT remain SAVED ALWAYS and MUST LOSE THEIR SALVATION! :screwloose
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Here you go again. Just as everyone else has told you- your are putting words in everyone's mouth's. SHOW ME WHERE I SAID A CHRISTIAN MUST LOSE THEIR SALVATION!!!!!! Making it up as you go, ain't you?
Show me the post where i wrote that.
 
westtexas said:
Here you go again. Just as everyone else has told you- your are putting words in everyone's mouth's. SHOW ME WHERE I SAID A CHRISTIAN MUST LOSE THEIR SALVATION!!!!!! Making it up as you go, ain't you?
Show me the post where i wrote that.
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In post #91 you said, "I do not believe OSAS is a sound biblical doctrine!"

I then asked, "you do NOT believe a Christian being ONCE SAVED and ALWAYS SAVED is a sound biblical doctrine?", and to that you answered, NOPE! in post #101.

And we can settle this once and for all if you believe in OSAS or not, by asking you a question:

IS IT POSSIBLE FOR A CHRISTIAN TO BE ONCE SAVED AND ALWAYS SAVED?

Yes or No?
 
TruthSeeker2012 said:
2. The truth I am trying to share and get out into the open is that a born again Christian can have assurance in their salvation and that they can KNOW they have ETERNAL LIFE NOW!

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I understand where you are coming from.

I would ask, however. Even if OSAS isn't 100% true couldn't someone still have assurance in their salvation and their eternal life?
 
TruthSeeker2012 said:
In post #91 you said, "I do not believe OSAS is a sound biblical doctrine!"

I then asked, "you do NOT believe a Christian being ONCE SAVED and ALWAYS SAVED is a sound biblical doctrine?", and to that you answered, NOPE! in post #101.

And we can settle this once and for all if you believe in OSAS or not, by asking you a question:

IS IT POSSIBLE FOR A CHRISTIAN TO BE ONCE SAVED AND ALWAYS SAVED?

Yes or No?
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You didn't show me what you said I said. Where do I say a Christian MUST lose their salvation?
 
Joe, Reba, and everyone else on this thread. You have my apology for my reactions on this thread. I'll respectfully bow out of this "discussion".:yes
 
This thread needs some serious cooling down. Locked until further notice.
 
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