The call of the Father.

[Watchman 2]

Knowing that faith is a noun, please explain to us how we apply saving faith to God Himself.




Thanks, JLB

I've answered that in depth at least twice in this thread. Show me your sincerely interested by finding them on your own.

 

[JLB]

I've answered that in depth at least twice in this thread. Show me your sincerely interested by finding them on your own.

Ok. What are the post numbers where you answered this question twice already.

I’ll go read them.


JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

I think sometimes Christendom focuses too much on him pre-flesh and then misses the importance of the literal Christ coming into the world. That is why you'll see me promoting Jesus the Christ. New Agers like to focus on "spirit" and don't understand the magnitude of him. But like you and JLB post, the Word was being set to introduce the person of Christ into the world. John 15:22-25

Jesus split time in half...
Before Jesus
After Jesus
HE changed the world forever as to HOW we understand God.
Jesus didn't say He is A WAY,,,He said He is THE WAY.

Of all the lights that God has sent (new agers believe about this)
JESUS is THE LIGHT.

We are to know HIM,,,,HE is the image of God.
If we have "seen" HIM, we have seen God...
because He and the Father are One.

Jesus does not represent God...
He IS God, come in the flesh.

God HIMSELF came to save us and release us
from the grip of satan.

The person that Jesus frees, is free indeed.
The person that is not freed by Jesus, is a slave to the evil one.

Do we really grok what we think we understand?
I doubt it.
Now we see as a shadow.....

 

[for_his_glory]

I think sometimes Christendom focuses too much on him pre-flesh and then misses the importance of the literal Christ coming into the world. That is why you'll see me promoting Jesus the Christ. New Agers like to focus on "spirit" and don't understand the magnitude of him. But like you and JLB post, the Word was being set to introduce the person of Christ into the world. John 15:22-25

Christ is our saving faith to all who will believe in Him and invite Him into their heart. He is Alpha and Omega, Rev 1:8.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[Watchman 2]

Ok. What are the post numbers where you answered this question twice already.

I’ll go read them.


JLB

If you really interested in understanding this go to my posting history and spend a few minutes looking at my posts. I don't really talk about anything else.

Then we can get together and talk more in depth about what how saving Faith is fulfilled.

 

[JLB]

If you really interested in understanding this go to my posting history and spend a few minutes looking at my posts. I don't really talk about anything else.

Then we can get together and talk more in depth about what how saving Faith is fulfilled.

No thanks.

If you can’t answer a simple question or at least tell me which post numbers you made where my question can be answered, then I’ll just take it that you don’t have an answer.


Knowing that faith is a noun, please explain to us how we apply saving faith to God Himself?



Thanks JLB

 

[jasonc]

Maybe you were thinking of another scripture.




JLB

no. He sends forth His word, His will is done. The Elect respond.
[/QUOTE]
No reformed here

 

[Watchman 2]

No thanks.

If you can’t answer a simple question or at least tell me which post numbers you made where my question can be answered, then I’ll just take it that you don’t have an answer.


Knowing that faith is a noun, please explain to us how we apply saving faith to God Himself?



Thanks JLB

Okay, I don't think your really interested.
Just remember, one day it will be one day to late!

 

[Watchman 2]

No thanks.

If you can’t answer a simple question or at least tell me which post numbers you made where my question can be answered, then I’ll just take it that you don’t have an answer.


Knowing that faith is a noun, please explain to us how we apply saving faith to God Himself?



Thanks JLB

Maybe someone who has accually been paying attention could answer this for you.

 

[Watchman 2]

No thanks.

If you can’t answer a simple question or at least tell me which post numbers you made where my question can be answered, then I’ll just take it that you don’t have an answer.


Knowing that faith is a noun, please explain to us how we apply saving faith to God Himself?



Thanks JLB

I did this for you in 10 minutes. Isn't your household worth 10 minutes?

Post 110, 137, 152!

 

[Hospes]

Could you give an example of this with respect to the OP?

Not sure if I understand your question, but I'll try to explain a bit more.

What I am trying to get at is that I am content with using the word "believe" as defined as being convinced of a truth. Furthermore, I think that when a person is truly convinced of a truth, they align their lives to conform to it. Correlating to this, if a person claims they believe something and yet consistently does not align their life to that belief, I think they are just fooling themselves; they don't really believe what they claim to believe. E.g. if I claim that Jesus is my Lord and yet consistently act otherwise, I am just play-acting. My beliefs are most evident by how I live, not by what I say.

Hope that helps.

 

[JLB]

I did this for you in 10 minutes. Isn't your household worth 10 minutes?

Post 110, 137, 152!

Thank you.

My household is on a solid foundation of truth from the teachings of Christ.


Here is your post 152 in response to this question:

Knowing that faith is a noun, please explain to us how we apply saving faith to God Himself?

"Pisteuo in relation to the living God, is a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."

The initial act of Faith is a genuine surrender to Him.

Based upon the belief that He will accept the surrendered life.

Sustained by confident decisions that support the fact ours lives are not Ours anymore but His now.

This initial response to the caller just begins the salvation journey. If we have never started the surrendered life and live a life inspired by such surrender,we are still in the calling out phase, with God awaiting the first act of pisteuo.

I love this post. Awesome.

This statement however...

The initial act of Faith is a genuine surrender to Him.


The Initial act of faith is to believe, and therefore obey the Gospel call to repent.

Repent means to turn to God in submission to Jesus Christ as Lord.


The way this is done is by confessing Jesus as Lord.

This is the initial response to the call, that transfers a person from the domain of darkness into the kingdom of God.


For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:10


All this aside, your post as great as it is, really doesn’t answer the question I asked, which was...


Knowing that faith is a noun, please explain to us how we apply saving faith to God Himself?


“apply saving faith to God Himself”, doesn't really make sense to me.


But I’m going to just let it go, and be thankful for your heart and work your doing here.



JLB

 

[Watchman 2]

Not sure if I understand your question, but I'll try to explain a bit more.

What I am trying to get at is that I am content with using the word "believe" as defined as being convinced of a truth. Furthermore, I think that when a person is truly convinced of a truth, they align their lives to conform to it. Correlating to this, if a person claims they believe something and yet consistently does not align their life to that belief, I think they are just fooling themselves; they don't really believe what they claim to believe. E.g. if I claim that Jesus is my Lord and yet consistently act otherwise, I am just play-acting. My beliefs are most evident by how I live, not by what I say.

Hope that helps.

Let's look at your definition of "believe", " convinced of a truth."

The truth that your convinced of Comes from God's word, which makes Gods word your "object of Faith."

God's word can't be the object of Faith, the object of Faith has to be God Himself, a real living person. The covenant has to be with Christ, not His word! That's the first point!

The second point!
When we begin the salvation journey, none of us begins with the Spirit of Christ ( aka Holy Spirit.)

So at the beginning of the salvation journey, because we don't have the Spirit of Christ yet, Christ, His word, and the promises in His word are not ours!!! So how can we claim anything in God's word ( believing in God's word ) as ours when it's not ours yet? Rom.8:9

You may have not seen the post where I said the biggest problem with the mistranslated words believe, believe, and believing, is that it changes the object of Faith from God Himself, a real living person, to God's word and His promises.

God's word becomes part of our surrendered life later in the salvation process, after we've received His Spirit.

 

[JLB]

if I claim that Jesus is my Lord and yet consistently act otherwise, I am just play-acting. My beliefs are most evident by how I live, not by what I say.

Well said sir!


Amen.







JLB

 

[Watchman 2]

Thank you.

My household is on a solid foundation of truth from the teachings of Christ.


Here is your post 152 in response to this question:

Knowing that faith is a noun, please explain to us how we apply saving faith to God Himself?






I love this post. Awesome.

This statement however...

The initial act of Faith is a genuine surrender to Him.


The Initial act of faith is to believe, and therefore obey the Gospel call to repent.

Repent means to turn to God in submission to Jesus Christ as Lord.


The way this is done is by confessing Jesus as Lord.

This is the initial response to the call, that transfers a person from the domain of darkness into the kingdom of God.


For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:10


All this aside, your post as great as it is, really doesn’t answer the question I asked, which was...


Knowing that faith is a noun, please explain to us how we apply saving faith to God Himself?


“apply saving faith to God Himself”, doesn't really make sense to me.


But I’m going to just let it go, and be thankful for your heart and work your doing here.



JLB

As I've been saying, the words believe, believing, and believer are mistranslations. No such word in Greek language!

The word "obey or obedient" is a completely different Greek word, "hupakoe". 5218 in the Strong's.

 

[Hospes]

Let's look at your definition of "believe", " convinced of a truth."

The truth that your convinced of Comes from God's word, which makes Gods word your "object of Faith."

Let's just take a bit at a time. You need to connect the dots for me as to why the premise of believing a truth from God's word necessarily means the object of my faith is the word itself and not the thing the word is conveying. I am not seeing the progression of your reasoning, so help me out. If God's word says that Jesus is God and I believe that Jesus is God and I then proceed to worship, fear, and value Him supremely, how is He not the object of my faith?

 

[Watchman 2]

Let's just take a bit at a time. You need to connect the dots for me as to why the premise of believing a truth from God's word necessarily means the object of my faith is the word itself and not the thing the word is conveying. I am not seeing the progression of your reasoning, so help me out. If God's word says that Jesus is God and I believe that Jesus is God and I then proceed to worship, fear, and value Him supremely, how is He not the object of my faith?

My premise is the correct understanding of pisteuo, the Greek word used 248 times in the NT, that was mistranslated with the words believe, believer, and believing.

The definition of pisteuo from the Vines Greek dictionary is " a personal surrender to Him !!!!! Not to what He s,aid, not to what He claims to be, not what He did on Calvary!

Pisteuo is a verb, an action word. Specifically, an act, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence.

1) the act, a personal surrender to"' Him ."""

2) based upon the belief, that He will accept the surrendered life.

3) sustained by confidence, in the many daily decisions we make that prove to God we really have surrendered our life to Him and that it's not ours anymore but His now.

Without the Continually surrendered life aspect of pisteuo, its not NT saving Faith that can result in recieving the Spirit of Christ. It can't be replaced with just belief in what God's word says. We can't skirt the altar, and go right to worship, fear and value.

Your kind of building on another false premise in that we accept Christ, when He accepts us, " our surrendered life! "

 

[JLB]

As I've been saying, the words believe, believing, and believer are mistranslations. No such word in Greek language!

The word "obey or obedient" is a completely different Greek word, "hupakoe". 5218 in the Strong's.

Unbelief and disobedience are the same word.



JLB

 

[JLB]

As I've been saying, the words believe, believing, and believer are mistranslations. No such word in Greek language!

The word "obey or obedient" is a completely different Greek word, "hupakoe". 5218 in the Strong's.

Believing without obeying is “demonic believing”.


You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! James 2:19


Demons believe and know who the Lord is, but they continue to obey Satan.



JLB

 

[Hospes]

My premise is the correct understanding of pisteuo, the Greek word used 248 times in the NT, that was mistranslated with the words believe, believer, and believing.

The definition of pisteuo from the Vines Greek dictionary is " a personal surrender to Him !!!!! Not to what He s,aid, not to what He claims to be, not what He did on Calvary!

Pisteuo is a verb, an action word. Specifically, an act, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence.

1) the act, a personal surrender to"' Him ."""

2) based upon the belief, that He will accept the surrendered life.

3) sustained by confidence, in the many daily decisions we make that prove to God we really have surrendered our life to Him and that it's not ours anymore but His now.

Without the Continually surrendered life aspect of pisteuo, its not NT saving Faith that can result in recieving the Spirit of Christ. It can't be replaced with just belief in what God's word says. We can't skirt the altar, and go right to worship, fear and value.

Your kind of building on another false premise in that we accept Christ, when He accepts us, " our surrendered life! "

I'm really trying to understand you, so I really hope you can help me. You wrote the following:

The truth that you're convinced of Comes from God's word, which makes Gods word your "object of Faith."

Your premise in this statement is "The truth that you're convinced of Comes from God's word." From this premise you conclude "[therefore] God's word [is] your "object of Faith." So I ask you again to help me understand your reasoning that takes you from your premise to your conclusion. Why does the premise of believing a truth from God's word necessarily means the object of my faith is the word itself and not the thing the word is conveying. For example, if God's word says that Jesus is God and I then believe that Jesus is God and proceed to worship, fear, and value Him supremely, how is He not the object of my faith?