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Jesus died for the whole world, gentiles included.What about this verse?
1 John 2:2
2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Anyone care to respond?
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Jesus died for the whole world, gentiles included.What about this verse?
1 John 2:2
2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Anyone care to respond?
I believe the tares still have the option of accepting Jesus.I also understand from scripture that we're responsible only for our own sins.
However, unfortunately! I also now understand what for_his_glory is saying.
I can't agree yet...still working on it.
Right now I'm reading some stuff on the net...
but I don't like to depend on this...
Parables are stories with a specific intent. They are not to be used outside of their intent, and when they are, we generally change the intent to serve our needs. By doing so, the intent becomes lostI believe the tares still have the option of accepting Jesus.
But they don't have the option if they're baby tares.I believe the tares still have the option of accepting Jesus.
What is the intent?Parables are stories with a specific intent. They are not to be used outside of their intent, and when they are, we generally change the intent to serve our needs. By doing so, the intent becomes lost
It is about the present Kingdom. Per Snodgrass, stories with intent, page 214:What is the intent?
I could not have written this any better. Well done, and I believe that gives an accurate Biblical description for the age of accountability.
for_his_glory ,
I don't know why you would write something which states one child would go to hell while another would go to heaven without giving an explanation other than our ways are not God's ways.
What point are you trying to make and what foundation are you trying to lay for future threads?
OK...But I can't tie this into what for_his_glory is saying.It is about the present Kingdom. Per Snodgrass, stories with intent, page 214:
It answers the question, "How can this be the kingdom if evil is present".
He goes on to say on page 215:
The parable contributes to discussions of theodicy and helps address our consternation that evil still is at work, that life is not fair, even though Christ and His kingdom have come. God is not the only one at work, and not all actions in the world can be attributed to God....
Grace UNTIL the age of accountability?Accountability does not save anyone. We are saved by Grace.
Yes, that is not the question thoughAccountability does not save anyone. We are saved by Grace.
As long as we are respectful toward one another, I'm fine with it. While I differ with you, I call you no less a sister in Christ.I've given many explanations through the scriptures I have posted in the OP especially with Psalms 58:3 and Romans 8:29, 30.
The reason I started this thread was to show who are of God's own even within the womb and those who are not, but now not so sure I should have posted it. It is pretty controversial and if you want to shut it down that is fine with me.
To use that parable outside of it's intent is to loose the intent of the story.OK...But I can't tie this into what for_his_glory is saying.
I always understood it as you've explained it....
The other member is saying that it means we're born what we are and if we die at a very early age...we go to where we were meant to go.
I can't agree with that...Still looking into it.
I might have to go speak to someone...
I just reread Mathew 13 and it sounds to me that it's speaking of adults.
I'm not going to post it...
I've never heard this before and find it rather disturbing.
What about this verse?
1 John 2:2
2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Anyone care to respond?
Would you agree then that Psalms 58 is speaking on the results of improperly raising your child? They are taught evil because their parents are evil.Matthew 13:37-40 is a parable about planting good seed and bad seed - wheat or tares, good and evil. What is planted in a child's mind, even in infancy, they will grow in what they are being fed whether its good seed or bad seed planted in them. This brings me back to Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
I also understand from scripture that we're responsible only for our own sins.
However, unfortunately! I also now understand what for_his_glory is saying.
I can't agree yet...still working on it.
Right now I'm reading some stuff on the net...
but I don't like to depend on this...
First, I think kids are influenced by their parents, but they're also influenced by other factors. I used to teach kids and also knew their families rather well. I can assure you that not every child grows up the way their parents would want them to be.Matthew 13:37-40 is a parable about planting good seed and bad seed - wheat or tares, good and evil. What is planted in a child's mind, even in infancy, they will grow in what they are being fed whether its good seed or bad seed planted in them. This brings me back to Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Well, I'll be speaking to a theologian of a mainstream church...let's see what he has to say about all this.It took me many years to get my head wrapped around all of this as I first heard about the age of accountability years ago when I heard a Pastor teach on this and couldn't believe a loving God would reject a baby. It is something that is not taught in mainstream churches.
As long as we are respectful toward one another, I'm fine with it. While I differ with you, I call you no less a sister in Christ.
For me, simply posting a series of passages to form a theology doesn't work. I want to know who those passages were written to and why they were written. It's long, tedious work but when we start talking about eternal issues, I think we owe it to ourselves and others to burn the midnight oil.
Let's start with Psalms 53. Who wrote it and why was it written? What's the back story. If I can be honest, I've never studied that Psalm so we can do it together.