Bible Study Age of accountability is nowhere found in the Bible

[dianegcook]

What about this verse?

1 John 2:2
2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Anyone care to respond?

Jesus died for the whole world, gentiles included.

 

[dianegcook]

I also understand from scripture that we're responsible only for our own sins.

However, unfortunately! I also now understand what for_his_glory is saying.

I can't agree yet...still working on it.
Right now I'm reading some stuff on the net...
but I don't like to depend on this...

I believe the tares still have the option of accepting Jesus.

 

[stovebolts]

I believe the tares still have the option of accepting Jesus.

Parables are stories with a specific intent. They are not to be used outside of their intent, and when they are, we generally change the intent to serve our needs. By doing so, the intent becomes lost

 

[GodsGrace]

I believe the tares still have the option of accepting Jesus.

But they don't have the option if they're baby tares.

I once studied with someone who said that Jesus stated to let them grow together so that the tares can become wheat...if they wanted to.

This made sense to me.

 

[GodsGrace]

Parables are stories with a specific intent. They are not to be used outside of their intent, and when they are, we generally change the intent to serve our needs. By doing so, the intent becomes lost

What is the intent?

 

[stovebolts]

What is the intent?

It is about the present Kingdom. Per Snodgrass, stories with intent, page 214:
It answers the question, "How can this be the kingdom if evil is present".
He goes on to say on page 215:
The parable contributes to discussions of theodicy and helps address our consternation that evil still is at work, that life is not fair, even though Christ and His kingdom have come. God is not the only one at work, and not all actions in the world can be attributed to God....

 

[for_his_glory]

I could not have written this any better. Well done, and I believe that gives an accurate Biblical description for the age of accountability.

for_his_glory ,
I don't know why you would write something which states one child would go to hell while another would go to heaven without giving an explanation other than our ways are not God's ways.

What point are you trying to make and what foundation are you trying to lay for future threads?

I've given many explanations through the scriptures I have posted in the OP especially with Psalms 58:3 and Romans 8:29, 30.

The reason I started this thread was to show who are of God's own even within the womb and those who are not, but now not so sure I should have posted it. It is pretty controversial and if you want to shut it down that is fine with me.

 

[reba]

Accountability does not save anyone. We are saved by Grace.

 

[GodsGrace]

It is about the present Kingdom. Per Snodgrass, stories with intent, page 214:
It answers the question, "How can this be the kingdom if evil is present".
He goes on to say on page 215:
The parable contributes to discussions of theodicy and helps address our consternation that evil still is at work, that life is not fair, even though Christ and His kingdom have come. God is not the only one at work, and not all actions in the world can be attributed to God....

OK...But I can't tie this into what for_his_glory is saying.
I always understood it as you've explained it....
The other member is saying that it means we're born what we are and if we die at a very early age...we go to where we were meant to go.

I can't agree with that...Still looking into it.
I might have to go speak to someone...

 

[GodsGrace]

Accountability does not save anyone. We are saved by Grace.

Grace UNTIL the age of accountability?

Don't leave us!!

 

[stovebolts]

Accountability does not save anyone. We are saved by Grace.

Yes, that is not the question though

 

[stovebolts]

I've given many explanations through the scriptures I have posted in the OP especially with Psalms 58:3 and Romans 8:29, 30.

The reason I started this thread was to show who are of God's own even within the womb and those who are not, but now not so sure I should have posted it. It is pretty controversial and if you want to shut it down that is fine with me.

As long as we are respectful toward one another, I'm fine with it. While I differ with you, I call you no less a sister in Christ.

For me, simply posting a series of passages to form a theology doesn't work. I want to know who those passages were written to and why they were written. It's long, tedious work but when we start talking about eternal issues, I think we owe it to ourselves and others to burn the midnight oil.

Let's start with Psalms 53. Who wrote it and why was it written? What's the back story. If I can be honest, I've never studied that Psalm so we can do it together.

 

[stovebolts]

OK...But I can't tie this into what for_his_glory is saying.
I always understood it as you've explained it....
The other member is saying that it means we're born what we are and if we die at a very early age...we go to where we were meant to go.

I can't agree with that...Still looking into it.
I might have to go speak to someone...

To use that parable outside of it's intent is to loose the intent of the story.

 

[for_his_glory]

I just reread Mathew 13 and it sounds to me that it's speaking of adults.

I'm not going to post it...
I've never heard this before and find it rather disturbing.

Matthew 13:37-40 is a parable about planting good seed and bad seed - wheat or tares, good and evil. What is planted in a child's mind, even in infancy, they will grow in what they are being fed whether its good seed or bad seed planted in them. This brings me back to Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

 

[for_his_glory]

What about this verse?

1 John 2:2
2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Anyone care to respond?

Yes, but the whole world will not accept Jesus, thus no good seeds planted in their children.

 

[stovebolts]

Matthew 13:37-40 is a parable about planting good seed and bad seed - wheat or tares, good and evil. What is planted in a child's mind, even in infancy, they will grow in what they are being fed whether its good seed or bad seed planted in them. This brings me back to Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Would you agree then that Psalms 58 is speaking on the results of improperly raising your child? They are taught evil because their parents are evil.
BTW, I do not agree with redacting those parables with the Psalms.

 

[for_his_glory]

I also understand from scripture that we're responsible only for our own sins.

However, unfortunately! I also now understand what for_his_glory is saying.

I can't agree yet...still working on it.
Right now I'm reading some stuff on the net...
but I don't like to depend on this...

It took me many years to get my head wrapped around all of this as I first heard about the age of accountability years ago when I heard a Pastor teach on this and couldn't believe a loving God would reject a baby. It is something that is not taught in mainstream churches.

 

[GodsGrace]

Matthew 13:37-40 is a parable about planting good seed and bad seed - wheat or tares, good and evil. What is planted in a child's mind, even in infancy, they will grow in what they are being fed whether its good seed or bad seed planted in them. This brings me back to Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

First, I think kids are influenced by their parents, but they're also influenced by other factors. I used to teach kids and also knew their families rather well. I can assure you that not every child grows up the way their parents would want them to be.
I DO agree that they have a better chance.... If they're raised in the ways of God, they WILL have a better chance at being a "good kid"...but it does not guaranatee this.

As t Psalm 58, I think we need to remember that these were poems and songs....I don't know that I'd build doctrine around ONLY them...There would have to be other reasons.

 

[GodsGrace]

It took me many years to get my head wrapped around all of this as I first heard about the age of accountability years ago when I heard a Pastor teach on this and couldn't believe a loving God would reject a baby. It is something that is not taught in mainstream churches.

Well, I'll be speaking to a theologian of a mainstream church...let's see what he has to say about all this.

I keep telling those of calvinist tendencies that God is a God of:
Love
Mercy
Justice

I have to believe this...

 

[for_his_glory]

As long as we are respectful toward one another, I'm fine with it. While I differ with you, I call you no less a sister in Christ.

For me, simply posting a series of passages to form a theology doesn't work. I want to know who those passages were written to and why they were written. It's long, tedious work but when we start talking about eternal issues, I think we owe it to ourselves and others to burn the midnight oil.

Let's start with Psalms 53. Who wrote it and why was it written? What's the back story. If I can be honest, I've never studied that Psalm so we can do it together.

It's not forming a series of scriptures just to form a theory, but a study of the full context of the scriptures apart from what man teaches as I wrote this myself. This wasn't an overnight study, but days and hours put into researching all of this.

Let's start with Psalms 58:1 Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men? 2 Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth. 3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. 4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;

There are many authors of the Psalms, but this verse is believed to be Davidic. Psalms Chapter 58 is about wicked judgement even from the womb (birth). It's the same in Isaiah 48 set in a Babylonian background of worshipping idols that Judah was being chastised for as they heard the words of the Lord, but yet rejected them. This is also the same in Hosea 4:6,7 as for there wickedness even their children are estranged from the womb and God will also forget their children.

I will let you feed on this for now.