Living without sin?

[JLB]

Your base point, that children of God commit sin, is a moot point.
It is written..."Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him." (1 John 3:6)
And..."He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:8-10)
You are implying that grape vines can bear figs.

Here is what Jesus taught about a brother who sins —


“What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish. “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. Matthew 18:12-17

• Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.

When a Christian commits a sin, then they must repent confess their sin and be forgiven.


How many times can a Christian be forgiven ?



Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. Matthew 18:21-22




JLB

 

[Hopeful]

would you say the most misunderstood point AFTER the one above is HOW to deal with temptation so that one does NOT sin?

Prayer and study, linked with removal of self from tempting situations.

in any case can you speak to that point? - what kinds of things best help a person successfully resist temptation? - what kinds of things weaken one's ability to successfully resist temptation?
God bless you

Thanks for the blessing...
My biggest help is prayer and talking to God all day long.
But keeping away from those who don't live sin-free lives is also a big plus...not to mention avoiding their movies and TV programs.
Memorization work also helps, as when I am really under attack with memories of the things that once tempted me I recite a chapter committed to memory.
It works every time !

 

[Hopeful]

That is not my base point and is a lie.
Do you understand what John is saying here.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

committeth - Strong's G4160 - poieō

1. to make
   1. with the names of things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion, etc.
   2. to be the authors of, the cause
   3. to make ready, to prepare
   4. to produce, bear, shoot forth
   5. to acquire, to provide a thing for one's self
   6. to make a thing out of something
   7. to (make i.e.) render one anything
      1. to (make i.e.) constitute or appoint one anything, to appoint or ordain one that
      2. to (make i.e.) declare one anything
   8. to put one forth, to lead him out
   9. to make one do something
      1. cause one to
   10. to be the authors of a thing (to cause, bring about)
2. to do
   1. to act rightly, do well
      1. to carry out, to execute
   2. to do a thing unto one
      1. to do to one
   3. with designation of time: to pass, spend
   4. to celebrate, keep
      1. to make ready, and so at the same time to institute, the celebration of the passover
   5. to perform: to a promise

This word implies that it is practiced. It’s enjoyed and continues to be fulfilled as something that is perpetually performed.

Your interpretation accommodates sin.

It’s practiced. It works both ways. Practicing righteousness is expected from children of God. Practicing sin is of the devil.
Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 1 John 3:10

My Point:
The children of God have an Advocate in heaven, if they should sin.
The children of God can confess their sin and be forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness.
This is my point and it’s clear.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10


Claiming you are sinless, when you physical body does in fact contain sin, and is at war against the Spirit within us, each and every moment of every day, trying to tempt us to give in to its lustful cravings, is only deceiving yourself and those whom you are trying to convince.

• If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
• If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Claiming you have no sin, is making Him out to be a liar.
John who wrote this inserts himself in this instruction.
Practicing sin, (committing sin) or practicing unrighteousness is a different story.
Again when I asked you if you believe Christians can confess their sins and be forgiven you replied no, they don’t need to because true ChristIan’s do not sin.
Is this what you believe?
JLB

Had you read 1 John 1:7, you would have seen that ALL OUR SINS CAN be washed away by the blood of Christ...thanks be to God.
Had you read 1 John 1:9, you would have seen that ALL OUR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS CAN be cleansed.
Your premise denies this.

John uses an alternating sentence technique to address walking in the light, juxtaposed to walking in darkness.
Paul uses the same technique in Romans 8, wherein he alternated between walking in the flesh and walking in the Spirit.

 

[Hopeful]

This is a false claim and misrepresenting me.

As grape vines cannot bear figs, neither can God's seed bear liars, adulterers, blasphemers, and thieves.

You have made up a false narrative about what I believe at least two or three times now.
Last warning,
Please don’t misrepresent me again.
JLB

 

[JLB]

Your interpretation accommodates sin.

The actual scripture says this so plainly —

• If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1 John 9-10


Do you believe we should confess our sins , so He can forgive and cleanse us?

• If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

JLB

 

[JLB]

Had you read 1 John 1:7, you would have seen that ALL OUR SINS CAN be washed away by the blood of Christ...thanks be to God.

Each and every day, as we walk in the light.


But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7


Those who walk in the light, as He is in the light, are cleansed by the blood of Jesus.





JLB

 

[JLB]

As grape vines cannot bear figs, neither can God's seed bear liars, adulterers, blasphemers, and thieves.

God’s seed produces God fruit.

Sin in our flesh produces lustful desires...

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. Romans 6:12


Is God’s seed in our spirit or in our flesh?


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4




JLB

 

[Truthfrees]

Prayer and study, linked with removal of self from tempting situations.

Thanks for the blessing...
My biggest help is prayer and talking to God all day long.
But keeping away from those who don't live sin-free lives is also a big plus...not to mention avoiding their movies and TV programs.
Memorization work also helps, as when I am really under attack with memories of the things that once tempted me I recite a chapter committed to memory.
It works every time !

 

[Hopeful]

The actual scripture says this so plainly —

• If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1 John 9-10

If we get cleansed of all unrighteousness we can say we have no unrighteousness.

Do you believe we should confess our sins , so He can forgive and cleanse us?

We can't start walking in God till we do, so, yes I believe it.

• If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us

JLB

That applied to me, when I was a sinner, before I was washed by the blood of Christ from ALL my past sins.
Before I started to walk in the light.

Jesus has provided us a way to remain in the light, and as the seed I was reborn of can't bear evil fruit I can now remain in the light till the day of judgement.
And I thank God for His amazing grace and power !

 

[Hopeful]

Each and every day, as we walk in the light.


But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7


Those who walk in the light, as He is in the light, are cleansed by the blood of Jesus.
JLB

As long as we remain in the light there will be no darkness in our lives.
I thank God for scriptures like 1 Cor 10:13..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
And 2 Peter 1:10..."Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"

 

[Hopeful]

God’s seed produces God fruit.

Godly fruit, yes.

Sin in our flesh produces lustful desires...

You seem unaware of Gal 5:24..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
No flesh, no lusts, no vile affections...in those who are Christ's.
They are dead.

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. Romans 6:12
Is God’s seed in our spirit or in our flesh?

The new creature is of God in totality.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4.

That describes the folks who walk in darkness. The ones who keep going back for more cleansings.
The ones who cannot say they have no sin.
Thanks be to God though, for He has made a "flip side" to that coin.
Those who walk in the light, Him, can...no, must say they have no sin.
Must say, because there is no sin in God, who is the light.

 

[JLB]

If we get cleansed of all unrighteousness we can say we have no unrighteousness.

Yes God cleanses us from all past sins, and we have the opportunity to continue to walk in the light.

 

[JLB]

We can't start walking in God till we do, so, yes I believe it.

We meaning Christians.


Do you believe born again Christians should confess their sins in order to be forgiven?


If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9


Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. James 5:16-17



JLB

 

[Hopeful]

Yes God cleanses us from all past sins, and we have the opportunity to continue to walk in the light.

The only way to remain in the light is to walk without sin.

 

[Hopeful]

We meaning Christians.
Do you believe born again Christians should confess their sins in order to be forgiven?

Born again Christians don't commit sin.
They can't commit sin because God's seed, from which they are reborn, cannot bear evil fruit.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

After doing verse 9, do verse 7...get cleansed from all past sin by the blood of Christ.
Then remain in the light.

Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. James 5:16-17
JLB

The effective prayer of the righteous man can accomplish much...for the unrighteous man.
There is no darkness in God or in those who are in Him.

 

[JLB]

You seem unaware of Gal 5:24..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
No flesh, no lusts, no vile affections...in those who are Christ's.
They are dead.

You seem unaware of the context.


I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:16-21

• of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God

Paul warned these Christians over and over, not to practice these sinful works of the flesh. He didn’t tell them they were never saved.


Born agains Christians who live sinful lives practicing the works of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God.


On the Day of Judgement those who will belong to Christ, are the Christians who have learned to crucify the flesh.





JLB

 

[JLB]

Born again Christians don't commit sin.
They can't commit sin because God's seed, from which they are reborn, cannot bear evil fruit.

Please answer my question with a simple yes or no.


Do you believe born again Christians should confess their sins in order to be forgiven?


Yes or No?


My answer is yes. Born again Christians should indeed confess their sin so they can be forgiven and cleansed from all unrighteousness.


My answer comes from but not limited to the following two scriptures.


If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9


Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. James 5:16-17




JLB

 

[Hopeful]

You seem unaware of the context.

I am fully aware of it.

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:16-21

• if which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God

Paul warned these Christians over and over, not to practice these sinful works of the flesh. He didn’t tell them they were never saved.

I am glad he did too, as they have helped keep me free from sinning for many years.

Born agains Christians who live sinful lives practicing the works of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Born again Christians don't "bear evil fruit".
They can't.
There flesh has been destroyed, and they walk in the Spirit.
JLB:
On the Day of Judgement those who will belong to Christ, are the Christians who have learned to crucify the flesh.
They will be the ones who crucified the flesh with Christ, at their "immersion" into His death, burial, and resurrection, at their water baptism into Him. (Rom 6:3-7)
I praise God for allowing it to happen !

 

[Hopeful]

Please answer my question with a simple yes or no
Do you believe born again Christians should confess their sins in order to be forgiven?

No.
They have nothing to be forgiven for.

My answer is yes. Born again Christians should indeed confess their sin so they can be forgiven and cleansed from all unrighteousness.
My answer comes from but not limited to the following two scriptur
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9
Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. James 5:16-17
JLB

Your efforts to convince me that those born of God are unlike God is fruitless.
As apple seeds cannot bear onions, neither can God's seed bear liars, thieves, or adulterers.

 

[JLB]

Your efforts to convince me that those born of God are unlike God is fruitless.

Your efforts to pervert and twist what I say just got you banned from this thread.

I warned you several times about this.

Your doctrine is not from Christ.



Saying that God’s people, born again ChristIan’s should confess their sins in order to be forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness is certainly not saying those who are born of God are unlike God.






JLB