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If we "fall", we haven't been "following Christ" or "walking in the Spirit".I think there's a lot of confusion on this subject and I'm not 100% either ay yet, but boy there sure seems to be a lot of scriptures which could support this idea. Like, all things have become new...the old man is dead...We are in Christ and Christ in us, and even more but it's late.
I think the crux of it may be...that when we become born again and are saved, then we are not under the Law any more, which is to say, we don't look to the law to establish our righteousness any more, now we look to our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ. We follow Him, not the law.
Now this doesn't mean that we can sin, god forbid, we still need to obey. But if we're following the Lord and being led by the Spirit, then we will not sin. When we fall at times and do sin, then we repent and ask His forgiveness and contiue on in our walk.
So now...I am not a sinner and saved by grace...I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus...I am a new man and the old man is dead.
I think. Understand?
If we "fall", we haven't been "following Christ" or "walking in the Spirit".
The ensuing repentance from sin, if any, will be the final turn from sin...if it is a real repentance from sin.
It will also be our first day in Christ.
I just caught a little flak for posting about life without sin.
It got me wondering...isn't that the point of giving up this world to follow Christ?
You seem to be unaware of Heb 10:14..."For by one offering He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."I'll agree with that. We are not walking in the Spirit if we fall and sin. But our Lord knows that we have not been perfected yet and have many distractions in this carnival called Earth.
Don't you mean..."If we repent, really this time, and turn to God..."?But if we repent and turn back to God, then His love covers a multitude of sins so He will certainly forgive us and we can continue our walk with Him.
David lived under a covenant that didn't have rebirth.King David had some troubles and fell hard a few times but he got back up and turned back to the Lord in repentance and is now called a man after God's own heart. The way I'm starting to understand it is, David did not sin as a way of life and continually sin. So he wasn't living in sin but was living for the Lord and obeying as a general rule and then he sinned by accident or distraction and then repented again.
Not if you still commit/serve sin, as we can only serve one master.That's why I have a wee problem in calling myself a sinner. I am the righteousness of God in Christ, so therefore a saint, right?
One sin a year, every year, IS a life-style of sin.I'm not saying I never sin, but I don't live a lifestyle of sin as I used to...
Okay, question for you (or whoever)...
Do you think that you could go a whole day without sinning? I have.
Could you not sin for two hours? Of course! It is possible to not sin if we are diligent and keep focused on Jesus...
Amen to that, and we get a lot !!!The point of following Jesus is just that to follow him. Yes he has forgiven us our sins, yes he's given us his rightousness, a place in heaven etc etc etc
But we follow him because of who he is, not for what we get out of it.
I guess Pink was still a servant of sin.Someone came up to A.W. Pink once, explaining how he reached a place where he didn't sin anymore. I believe it was Pink, but could be mistaken.
Pink responded, "I would like to talk to your wife".
You seem to be unaware of Heb 10:14..."For by one offering He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."
And Heb 10:10 says that already happened..."By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
We have been perfected.
Don't you mean..."If we repent, really this time, and turn to God..."?
False repentances after false repentances are just lies to God.
David lived under a covenant that didn't have rebirth.
He could never have lived without catering to the "flesh".
Our "flesh", however, has been destroyed at our water baptism into Christ and into His death, burial, and resurrection. (Rom 6:3-6)
And verse 7?..."For he that is dead has been freed from sin."
Not if you still commit/serve sin, as we can only serve one master.
One sin a year, every year, IS a life-style of sin.
Jesus came and died so we don't have to commit sin anymore.
He made it possible to be "diligent" and "focused".
Don't let His sufferings for you be wasted.
Our skin and bones don't cause us to sin.
Our bodies are controlled by our minds.We still live in a corruptible body as the flesh is weak and will sin, but the Spirit is stronger within our renewed inner man that in the Spirit we can not sin. We that are of Christ do not willingly sin, but will mess up at times as even the Prophets, Paul, Peter and many others have sinned against God, but forgiven when they repented. None of us are perfect yet, but are being perfected daily.
"Included in Christ"...Look at what the Bible says about righteousness:
wordatwork.org.uk - When do Christians become perfect
Ephesians 1:13 we were included in Christ when we heard the word of truth, the gospel of our salvation. Having believed, we were marked in Him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the day of redemption of those who are God's possessions.
...so there may be righteousness for everyone who believes!Romans 10:4 Jesus ended the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. We are still under the moral laws.
It seems even your source says we have received the gift of righteousness.Romans 5:17 We receive God's abundant provision of grace and gift of righteousness through Christ Jesus.
Gal 5:5 (KJV)..."For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith."Galatians 5:5 by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness we hope for.
To the contrary, they all refer to the righteousness available to mankind now.None of these verses state that we are now perfect human beings as we live our lives day by day. The Ephesians passage says that the Holy Spirit is a guarantee of our inheritance because our redemption is not yet complete. Galatians 5:5 says that we are waiting by faith for a future righteousness which we do not have yet because we are still housed in this fleshly body that is corruptible
Yep, we await the resurrection of the dead.In Romans 8:23-25 Paul tells us that we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved, but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have, but if we hope for what we do not have yet we wait for it patiently.
You can't blame your hands and feet for sin.Jesus credited us with His righteousness when we believed in Him, Romans 4:5, and our sins are covered by it, but it is clear that we are also waiting for what we do not have yet being the redemption of our bodies.
David had the Mosaic Law's remediation for sins.I agree with part of what you say. I'm not sure I'm able to agree yet about like, one sin a year is a lifestyle of sin...Ummmm, well what about King David? He had quite a few incidents and yet was still called a man after God's own heart. From how you spoke, David led a lifestyle of sin and I don't think I buy that.
Sanctification isn't a process.Nevertheless, I do think that we can be sinless, at least for periods of time. Plus, as I understand it, sanctification and perfecting of us is a process done over time and we have not yet been transfigured. But I can se the changes within me over time. I do NOT react to a lot of things like I used to. And that, is the Lord working on me.
Where is that in the bible?If one thinks himself to be perfect and commits no sin, yet stands ready to declare the sins of another, then that man remains trapped in a life of sin.
Where is that in the bible?
Does it apply to Jesus, who called the leaders of Israeli religion "liars and hypocrites"?
Sorry that you can not grasp the content in 1 Corinthians 15:52-54 or Galatians 5:16-21 as I believe we all fall into one of those categories at time, even though we do not want to. Are you more perfect than the Prophets and Disciples who did sin at times, but we certainly forgiven when they repented.Our skin and bones don't cause us to sin.
It is our mind that controls the "wheel".
Our bodies will die and rot away, as they are corruptible: but we will not be judged for our hangnails and eye glasses.
Our bodies are controlled by our minds.
You can't blame the car for your speeding ticket.
We can be perfectly sinless, in spite of our bad knees and allergies.
It is the mind that controls how we react to temptation, not our hands and feet.
"Included in Christ"...
There is no unrighteous "in Christ".
As believers are in fact "in Christ", there can be no unrighteousness in us either.
...so there may be righteousness for everyone who believes!
It seems even your source says we have received the gift of righteousness.
Gal 5:5 (KJV)..."For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith."
The hope of righteousness is eternal life.
Your version of scripture has inferred an alternate POV.
Lets look at another scripture concerning righteousness..."But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:" (Rom 3:21-22)
True righteousness is here now.
To the contrary, they all refer to the righteousness available to mankind now.
Yep, we await the resurrection of the dead.
And then the judgement.
The righteous shall receive eternal life and the unrighteous will receive eternal damnation.
Which begs the question...How should we be acting while still alive?
You can't blame your hands and feet for sin.
If Jesus credited us with righteousness, why can't we be righteous?
Jesus came and died so we don't have to commit sin anymore.
David had the Mosaic Law's remediation for sins.
But he didn't have rebirth. He was a son of Adam all his life, whereas we can kill the old man and be reborn of God's seed.
Remember Jesus' parables about fig trees not being able to bear grapes?
If you are reborn of Godly seed, it is impossible to bear devilish fruit.
Sanctification isn't a process.
It happens at our baptism into Christ when our past sins are remitted and we are made new creatures: holy, separate, consecrated, atoned for, all definitions of the word "sanctified".
If the Lord is working on you, you should be ready for my words.