How Can The U.S.A. Reduse Mass Shootings?

[jasonc]

I agree and would go as far to say that, that is part of being well regulated. Governmental sensationalism and agendas aside, Firearms are deadly so there is an implied sense of duty that goes to the handler of any arm when they pick it up.

You never implied reckless abandon, lol. And you didn't have to mention it regardless because it is a given for safety with weapons and you know that, so I don't understand why they picking on you like that?

Maybe it's the old, those who can, do...those who can't, teach. (Lol). It's good we have that cleared up in this thread now. It is a given that there is no reckless abandon. Minimum competence and previous exposure to weapons a requirement to enter. It takes Wisdom, Temperance and the grace of God to have hold of ready arms.

not that I disagree ,wouldn't a right be negated by a permit of demonstrated proficiency to use?
we can't drive or fly or operate a vessel without a license .

do keep in mind the cliche of the idiots who buy an misuse or abuse something and a law is passed.

 

[WIP]

not that I disagree ,wouldn't a right be negated by a permit of demonstrated proficiency to use?
we can't drive or fly or operate a vessel without a license .

do keep in mind the cliche of the idiots who buy an misuse or abuse something and a law is passed.

Driving, flying, or otherwise operating vessels are privileges here in the US, not rights. That's a rather significant difference that I think is too often forgotten.

 

[jasonc]

Driving, flying, or otherwise operating vessels are privileges here in the US, not rights. That's a rather significant difference that I think is too often forgotten.

oh I agree but the origin of licensing is not about safety but fear .

the first laws on aircraft were passed in Kissimmee,Florida that had no airfield ,no pilots.I'm not sugessting that this change just stating why it was started .

 

[Corn Pop]

The goveremnt made citizens hand in most there semis. There was a buy back scheme, not sure how succesful it was. I think about 50,000 were handed in by law abiding citizens not sure how many criminals handed theres in.

They hadnt had a register for that long before the ban so it would have been hard to know how many were/are out there and who had/has them.

NZ is big for hunting and has lots of farming land so im guessing it was mosly people who live rural and hunters and farmers who handed in and a few enthusiests who go the range for sport and shoot clay tagets and whatever they do in a safe and regulated environment.

 

[Edward]

not that I disagree ,wouldn't a right be negated by a permit of demonstrated proficiency to use?
we can't drive or fly or operate a vessel without a license .

do keep in mind the cliche of the idiots who buy an misuse or abuse something and a law is passed.

A demonstrated proficiency of use, or, passing the test really would only make one an apprentice. Everyone is responsible for every bullet their barrel launches when it's in their control. Well, except the police.

 

[jasonc]

a cop,looses his badge if he can't qualify ,if he murders or his makes a mistake he is held accountable ,not even the military does that level .

I know a u.s. Marshall who has been shot in the line of duty and deployed and said that army qualifications are a joke .

is it perfect ,no ,but unless you want argue that blm is right

 

[daninthelionsden]

a cop,looses his badge if he can't qualify ,if he murders or his makes a mistake he is held accountable ,not even the military does that level .

I know a u.s. Marshall who has been shot in the line of duty and deployed and said that army qualifications are a joke .

is it perfect ,no ,but unless you want argue that blm is right

When I qualified for my carry permit years ago, we had a retired cop/vet at the range getting his permit too. He was the most dangerous guy at the firing line as he exhibited bad muzzle discipline and sent everyone running any time he handled his gun. The rangemaster had to personally and individually watch over him for every body else's safety. Training/experience/age/profession is no guarantee over common sense.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Gun control is very different than disarmament. It makes as much sense as saying that speed limits are draconian attempts to restrict reasonable drivers but reward speeders.

The first phrase of the Second Amendment, which is often ignored, explains the purpose of an armed citizenry.

Criminals couldn't care LESS about "Controls", "Government Laws", or "Constitutions". And just like DRUGS (which are illegal, but easily available on every street corner), The Criminal element can always get Guns that the GOVERNMENT knows nothing about, and has no "Control" over.

 

[jaybo]

Criminals couldn't care LESS about "Controls", "Government Laws", or "Constitutions". And just like DRUGS (which are illegal, but easily available on every street corner), The Criminal element can always get Guns that the GOVERNMENT knows nothing about, and has no "Control" over.

So... What's your point? Should crime, including gun misuse, be ignored?

 

[Ziggy]

It's sad to say but there are a lot of Herod's running the world right now.
And they feel that their power on the throne is being threatened.
What was Herod thinking when he gave the order to massacre all the children 2 years and younger?
What harm had they committed?
And how is it that the minions who worked under him were consciously able to fulfill his commands?
Where was their humanity?

If you delve deep enough you would find that there are Herod's pulling the strings behind these mass shootings.
A lot of the ones doing the shootings they have problems. Psychological problems. Most are on drugs or medication. Most have psychologists or doctors that prescribe these drugs. Some even use hypnosis and mind control on their subjects.
I know this sounds a lot like conspiracy theory but sadly it's true.

The only way that mass shootings will end, is when the Herod's of the world are removed from their thrones.
It's not about guns. It's about power. And the fear of losing it.

And you know, we saw what happened to Pharaoh when he got too big for his britches.
Trust God.

Hugs

 

[Bob Carabbio]

So... What's your point? Should crime, including gun misuse, be ignored?

Nope, but stop fooling yourself that ANYTHING the Government or the police do will stop a homicidal idiot who wants to kill folks.

 

[Edward]

So... What's your point? Should crime, including gun misuse, be ignored?

I think gun misuse should be harshly punished. The whole idea is to not be a punk with a gun. Harsh punishments teach restraint.

But the way to stop mass shootings is twofold. One, loosen all gun laws and carry requirements so that essentially, everyone is armed. An armed society is a polite society.

 

[Chocolate Roadrunner]

Gun control in America isn't about the 2nd amendment inalienable right to own guns.
It's about control over the citizens inalienable right to own guns.

Homicidal Psychopaths will find a way. If guns did not exist at all, they'd still find a way.
The first murder in history wasn't committed with a gun. We don't know the weapon used but we do know it was murder.

An armed population is able to stop an armed homicidal Psychopath.
But if a free Constitutional Republic wants to remain free, they will never concede their 2nd amendment right.

We don't want the only armed citizens in this country being those in the Executive branch of government; military and police.

If that is ever allowed to happen we'll find we are not free at all.


Our 2nd amendment is an inalienable right. Not a permission.
And for those in the nation who are "anti-gun", that's perfectly fine. Just as long as they're also anti-911. So they don't call those with guns to save them.

 

[humble soul]

Homicidal Psychopaths will find a way. If guns did not exis

By stabbing a whole bunch a people?
That guy in Las Vegas didn't even have to leave his hotel room. So convenient.

 

[jaybo]

Nope, but stop fooling yourself that ANYTHING the Government or the police do will stop a homicidal idiot who wants to kill folks.

Wrong. There should be very careful monitoring of everyone who buys guns, particularly military weapons and/or stockpiles ammunition. "Homicidal idiots" can be stopped much more easily if law enforcement pays attention to early warning signs.

 

[Chocolate Roadrunner]

By stabbing a whole bunch a people?
That guy in Las Vegas didn't even have to leave his hotel room. So convenient.

Guy's actually. And thankfully, he saved Nevada some money and killed himself with a gunshot inside his mouth.

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[humble soul]

Guy's actually.

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[humble soul]

And thankfully, he saved Nevada some money and killed himself with a gunshot inside his mouth.

That is supposed to be a valid response??

 

[Chocolate Roadrunner]

That is supposed to be a valid response??

It is a valid response.

 

[Chocolate Roadrunner]

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The investigation found there were two people involved in the LV shooting. The second suspect , yet to be found, had a room that adjoined the shooters.