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"How Dinosaurs Shrank and Became Birds"

Since you call yourself a "lay" Darwinist, maybe we should ask the professional Darwinist, Barbarian:

When professional Darwinists say

"Dinosaurs Shrank and Became Birds"

which do you mean:
  1. "[Individual dinosaurs] Shrank and Became Birds"?

  2. "[A population of dinosaurs] Shrank and Became Birds"?

Barbarian, would you say that an individual dinosaur ever shrank and became an individual bird? Or, instead, would you say "individuals don't [shrink]; populations do"?

Again, individuals don't evolve; populations do.
Do individuals shrink and become birds, Barbarian?

LOL :)
 

"How Dinosaurs Shrank and Became Birds"

Since you call yourself a "lay" Darwinist, maybe we should ask the professional Darwinist, Barbarian:

When professional Darwinists say

"Dinosaurs Shrank and Became Birds"

which do you mean:
  1. "[Individual dinosaurs] Shrank and Became Birds"?

  2. "[A population of dinosaurs] Shrank and Became Birds"?

Barbarian, would you say that an individual dinosaur ever shrank and became an individual bird? Or, instead, would you say "individuals don't [shrink]; populations do"?


Do individuals shrink and become birds, Barbarian?

LOL :)
They mean that a population of dinosaurs became birds as their descendents developed more birdlike features, features that provided some sort of advantage.
 
They mean that a population of dinosaurs became birds as their descendents developed more birdlike features, features that provided some sort of advantage.
Which do you mean:
  1. "a population of [non-birds] became birds"?
  2. "a population of [birds] became birds"?
If you mean anything at all, you mean one or the other of these, two things, since, together, birds and non-birds are exhaustive of all things (and thus, exhaustive of all things to which you can be referring by your word, "dinosaurs"). So, which of these, two things do you mean?
:)
 
When professional Darwinists say

"Dinosaurs Shrank and Became Birds"

which do you mean:
  1. "[Individual dinosaurs] Shrank and Became Birds"?

  2. "[A population of dinosaurs] Shrank and Became Birds"?

Barbarian, would you say that an individual dinosaur ever shrank and became an individual bird? Or, instead, would you say "individuals don't [shrink]; populations do"?
You forgot again... individuals don't evolve. Populations do. So when scientists note that dinosaurs (plural; a population) became birds (plural; a population), that's exactly what they mean. And we're now focusing on the problem so many creationists have; they can't visualize a change in alleles of population over time. So they focus on imaginary things like "a dog changing into a cat." BTW, there were adult dinosaurs smaller than many species of birds.

And you were going to show us which of Darwin's four points are not supported by evidence, and you were also going to show us some essential differences between dinosaurs and birds. Can we expect you to do that, soon?
 
When they say "birds are dinosaurs," by their word, "dinosaurs," to which are they referring: non-birds or birds?
When they say "humans are mammals", what do you think they mean by that? If you can figure that out, you have your answer. Meantime, would you be able to show us the essential differences between dinosaurs and birds?

Not easy, is it? There's a very good reason for that, isn't there?
 
Which do you mean:
  1. "a population of [non-birds] became birds"?
  2. "a population of [birds] became birds"?
If you mean anything at all, you mean one or the other of these, two things, since, together, birds and non-birds are exhaustive of all things (and thus, exhaustive of all things to which you can be referring by your word, "dinosaurs"). So, which of these, two things do you mean?
The first.

By the way, your comment in your signature fails to appreciate evolution's nuance and the often subtle differences that differentiate species and genuses. For example, Neanderthals are almost another species, but not quite. (Being of homo, they would still be humans.) On the other hand, erectus is another species. The line can be fine.
 
The first.

By the way, your comment in your signature fails to appreciate evolution's nuance and the often subtle differences that differentiate species and genuses. For example, Neanderthals are almost another species, but not quite. (Being of homo, they would still be humans.) On the other hand, erectus is another species. The line can be fine.
Your "evolution's nuance" is actually what is called by science- a subspecies- In biological classification, the term subspecies refers to one of two or more populations of a species living in different subdivisions of the species' range and varying from one another by morphological characteristics. A single subspecies cannot be recognized independently:

The Neanderthal, in other words, is human simply in rudimentary form. This all has to do with the 'fall' of man, in that a refinement processes would have to be implemented moving forward, gradually. That refinement process brings us back to a more refined look and appearance- Salt is responsible for that. Interesting how Christ refers to us as the salt of the earth-Christians that is. It is allegory concerning the refining nature of salt.

With it's introduction into man's diet, it refined the human skeletal system. Just as Christians are to refine what is, making it better than when it first started out. Which is what I do with science.

Salt's refinement in the diet however, stops at a certain degree or else you would be refining away. Hence, the present day form. This proves that the evolution of this form (skeletal structure) is at it's most refined. Therefore, is as, it was intended from the beginning- before the fall happened.

"Sub species" does not mean a completely different species. Adaptation is not a process of adding entirely different genes but- a tapping into sequences which already exist. External factors are the influence which cause those necessary changes. Neanderthal is not almost human but human unrefined and is as indicated by you- (Being of homo, they would still be humans.)

They did not evolve from another species but rather were an evolving human form that was corrupted by the fall. In essence had to come up the hard way, since God's way was not good enough for the first man and woman. Genuses concerning evolutionary science, only addresses the affects of the fruit of the eye. Genesis addresses man's actual beginning before science even came into play- as being made in God's like and image.

Lucifer changed that image with his temptation accepted. On earth as it is in heaven- just as with Lucifer's fall his image was distorted, man's too was distorted. But since our fall is reversible because we had a tempter, we have been going through a physical and spiritual process ever since, with the end goal as bringing us back to Eden then eternity. You have no clue what is going to happen in this generation.

Anyways, the beginning of man's science was the end of eutopia for Adam and Eve. For when they did reach outside of God's wisdom for knowledge, they only got what the naked eye can perceive. Moving forward man is still only grasping at what the naked eye can see. Even aided by high power microscopes and telescopes, still just the natural world. The supernatural origin of all things can only be perceived by faith. That will bring us to the discussion of the existence of God right? T. E. Smith . Care to engage here or should I start another thread? Though I really see no need, it's all been kicked off here. Creationism vs The Theory of Evolution, I'll post the opener to the debate.
 
KICK OFF!!! The crowd goes wild! :sohappy:woot:popcorn LOL! Get the popcorn folks, this is sure to be an exciting game!
Team G Force, LOL! Establishing the existence of God before the opposing team- T.E. chimes in.
T. E. Smith, I think it important to lay down the premise and basis for the existence of God in this debate. Afterall, we are dealing with two warring factions, not one. One who believes in God and one that does not.
The Existence of God and The Lie of the Theory of Evolution:
Page 1.
Before we can establish anything about life, as to what is right and wrong, we must set the mind straight. The fact that there is a God must be in the forefront of the mind, everything will be considered futile otherwise. For right and wrong is measured by God!

Many people ask: "Is there a God" or say "There is no God". To them- we as mankind hold a spirit,
it is because of that spirit that the thought of God exists. For the thought and debate over His existence would not be if we have not a soul. The soul was given to us from the Infinite Creator Himself! Amazing! for the answer is in the thought and debate. For neither would be if He was not, is not. However, they do because He is.

For if there is not a God the thought of Him would not be. Not even the atheist could say- "There is no God" for the thought of Him would not be. So, know the thought and debate over His existence is the answer that He exist!

For those who question and do not believe in what they cannot touch and see; it must be scary to breath, for you cannot see the air. It must be mind boggling to see a leaf roll down the way, after all it is moved by an unseen force. And who or what moves the wind? Do you know from with it comes and where it is held? Afterall, everything which moves is moved by something. You only need to know a little bit of the Laws of Physics to know this. The laws of physics tell us, all things which move has a mover. It all started by something or someone from somewhere. All moving things are moved by something, whether seen or unseen.

Example: Newton's First Law of motion states: an object will remain at rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless acted upon by an external force. Science says- It may be seen as a statement about inertia, that objects will remain in their state of motion unless a force acts to change the motion. Any change in
motion involves an acceleration, and then Newton's Second Law applies; in fact, the first Law is a "special " case of the Second Law for which the net force is zero.

Where am I going with this? You will see. Newton's First law contains implications about the fundamental symmetry of the universe, in that a state of motion in a straight line must be as "natural" as being at rest. If an object is at rest in
one frame of reference, it will appear to be moving in a straight line to an observer in a reference frame which is moving by the object. There is no way to say which reference is "special", so all constant velocity reference frames must be equivalent. Point is all moving things are moved by something- whether seen or unseen. The First laws of motion were set by the Creator. All things extend out from Him. Newton's second law of motion can be formally stated as follows:

The acceleration of an object as produced by a net force is directly proportional to the magnitude of the net force, in the same direction as the net force, and inversely proportional to the mass of the object. This can be applied to God and creation- speaks to the ever-expanding universe in proportion to the Eternal God.

All matter, sound and light extend out from Him. 1.Thus says the Lord, "heaven is My throne and the earth is my footstool. Where then is a house, you could build for Me? And where is a place that I may rest?" 2. For My hand made all things, thus all these things came into being", declares the Lord. (Isaiah 66:1-2)

God has laws for everything in His creation; laws which govern the universe's planets, galaxies and moons and stars. And everything has a mathematical symmetry- like that demonstrated by the Fibonacci Sequence found in creation. Of
course, named after the Italian mathematician (Leonard Pisano Bigollo), Nicknamed Fibonacci, that is his surname. His understanding of this sequence points to an Intelligent Designer. Those of us who have probe and investigated all science through faith know, that Intelligent Designer, is God.
 
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Science has also presented its theories concerning the origin of all things. One theory is the Big Bang! This was the effect not the cause. That is the flaw in their theory. It was an effect of a brainstorm of God the cause. Therefore, it was not the beginning,
" I AM THE BEGINNING AND THE END" says the Lord. It starts with Him and ends with Him. Cause and Effect. God thought He would be creative and express Himself. The Big Bang was a breakthrough of the Word through thought.

Thoughts are of energy not form, energy is the base of form and mass. You only need the basics of physics to know this. Physics tells us all things which move- has a mover. This explains the continuously expanding universe; it expands outward from God. Energy begets energy. All-natural form derived from energy of the supernatural. Supernatural comes from the Latin supernaturalis- meaning beyond nature. The adjective form of supernatural describes anything that pertains to or is caused by something that cannot be explained by the laws of nature. How does man know this? It had to be revealed to him.

All matter derived from the supernatural energy of God, who is Infinite. If we do not have an Infinite Creator; how then, can mankind develop things such as our number system which has infinite possibilities - or our mathematical system which has infinite combinations, or our infinite pi expression and our binary code. Man would not be able to do this if not for an Eternal Source. Also, the infinite knowledge conveyed through the Alphabet: the beginning of language and words- which have infinite abilities in conveying thoughts. The most important thing the word can reveal is God! This was given to us through the soul. From twelve music notes received, infinite melodies and harmony.

So, like God, an artist who creates from a thought and brings forth form and dimension through his vision of art- is bringing about form through thought. Again, thoughts are of energy not form. Energy is the base of form, and you cannot see thoughts until they break forth. That is based upon fact not theory. For you cannot see thoughts. The only thing science has been able to do is see which lobe the neurons are firing. Still, that only gives an indication of what may be in thought. Science has been able to map the brain and now knows what certain lobes of it are for. But they can never SEE the thoughts. And too they need to put technology upon or in their study subject to even have an idea of location of neuron firing as to working out thoughts.

All thoughts are supernatural, good or bad. Supernatural is the invisible realm. You do not see people's thoughts floating around in the air. Science cannot capture them or record what you are thinking by simply observing you.
However, people with damaged wiring in the brain have had mind machines called (WIRED), connected to the language portion of the brain and a computer relay is given concerning what the neurons are firing. It is providing wiring that does not work in the damaged vessel of the brain which may prevent a person from speaking normally. But even this simply proves our minds have energy flowing through them. This energy is the soul, which is contained in form and that expression of the internal energy is known through action.

Now, poetically speaking- God thought He would be creative and express Himself; "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." With His Word He created art. He created the sun, moon, and painted the stars in the sky, why, to give form to His thoughts. He then created the earth with beautiful bodies of water, landscapes, mountains and trees, why, to give you a vision of His dreams. He then created music and sound and placed birds, insects and all kinds of animals all around. He then cast His thoughts upon the ocean and said, "Let me create man in our like and image", for though He did create Wisdom and angels before man, it was a conversation of amongst the Triune God . He said, " in man shall be my deepest devotion, greater than the depths of the oceans for He is the rolling tides of My emotions." From the earth and sand He formed man. "In Him I shall stand, I shall place in him My wisdom, My essence, My thoughts he shall know, My breath the soul he shall hold. My purpose shall be revealed in him." Then he gave man control of the land.

However, through life spans and times man has wandered from God's side, only knowing the fruit of the eye, forgetting why we are here, creating darkness and living in fear, destroying all that God has placed here, losing respect for one another and disobeying His laws given by His hand.
For those who are unsure: Where do you stand in God's plan? Are you part of life or are you cut off? It is your God given right to choose but, to be a subtraction means you lose! Use the tools of faith and see, open your hearts, no longer be deceived. LIFE IS A GIFT NOT GIVEN IN VAIN. You must fit all things to their end. The painting to its maker, a machine to its designer, a watch to its creator. For nothing came to be of itself. To believe that would be to even deny true science that upholds that truth. Believe in the promises of the Lord and He shall sustain you. For every word He speaks is truth! Truth is not what one makes it, or as one sees it, it is just so. It is irrefutable, undeniable, factually exact! It is real, perfectly sound and loved by those who seek it.

There is only ONE GOD, He is revealed in three divine ways, God the FATHER, God the SON -YESHUA
HAMASHIACH (JESUS CHRIST) and the mutual love between them both the HOLY SPIRIT, from whom all
knowledge and truth comes.
 
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Dealing with the fundamentals of the Theory of Evolution: That being said, the foundation- it will dismantle the premise of the structure moving forward. This in turn will cause a ripple or domino-affect akin to a house of cards falling. For a structure built on sand, when the foundation is washed away by truth, it simply cannot stand.

Lie of the Theory of Evolution

Darwinism is the theory of biological evolution developed by the English naturalist Charles Darwin (1809-
1882) and others, stating that all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations that increase the individual's ability to compete, survive, and reproduce. Evolution is the false teaching which states: All present-day creatures evolved from a lesser form of something else- each individual species added to itself DNA which it did not previously have- such as humans evolved from primates, etc....

LIE! The idea that a lesser form can evolve into a greater form is ridiculous. No creature can add DNA to itself spontaneously. HOWEVER, MAD SCIENTIST HAVE NOW LEARNED TO DO SO THROUGH THE KNOWLEDGE OF MAPPING THE GENOMES OF ALL SPECIES. It has never happened naturally and certainly no proof of- even the possibility of it happening has ever been presented. That is why it is a THEORY! I will address the corruption of the genomes in another post.

In schools they present this Theory as fact and do not allow for creationism to be taught. Creationism destroys the theory with fact. My Existence of God does just that. Science is full of contradictions and half-truths. Half a truth is the greatest lie of all, for it is meant to deceive. A lie is a lie when bold faced but a half- truth that, the father of lies likes to do to malign truth. EXAMPLE: The truth of adaptations.
Science:
ADAPTATION: 1. the action or process of adapting or being adapted.
IN GENERAL:
2. Example- a movie, television drama, or stage play that has been adapted from the written work, typically a
novel.
The "in general" can be applied to the written work of the scroll-DNA of the original written work- which today is being messed with by outside factions.
SCIENCE:
3. Biology- a change or process of change by which an organism or species become better suited for it's environment.

Adaptation is not a process of adding new DNA sequences- but, a tapping into preexisting codes which surface under strain or stress from external changes. All creatures have this. It is an adaptation for survival. People have this too. If you look at the diversity of cultures each has adapted through time- things like no need for wisdom teeth. Some people no longer get them and they are not even present in the jaw. At one time all people got them, why? Early man was a hunter and gather, tooth lose happened often and large molars were necessary to replace tooth lose.

Yeah, something this simple can give understanding of adaptation. People today, who are still hunters and gatherers like African people, and aboriginal peoples, who still live as the ancient peoples- still get wisdom teeth. Even not so ancient people still get them, but of all people, the European man tends to not get them as often. Even if they are present in the jaw they never come in or they simply are not present at all.

Another example: Salt- having been introduced into man's diet refined man's bones. This is interesting since Christ calls Christians the salt of the earth. We help refine people's beliefs-ideologies.

Adaptation in animals works the same way, the need for change to adapt unlocks a hidden mechanism already in the DNA. Like frogs- in a same sex environment will suddenly change sex for reproductive purposes. They did not add new DNA codes. This is encoded in their DNA from the time of Creation. to deal with the environmental stress posed by the fall. Fish, for example have developed lungs to breath on land. However, since it is not programmed in human DNA to naturally change sex do to external stresses, each sex remains the same. Concerning the fish, it is the stress of the environment which causes the fish to tap into this necessity to survive. The fish crawls on land, buries itself and waits for rain. Now , the question is, what brought on the necessity for adaptation? For we as Christians know, God made everything perfect.

What caused the fall of man and creation to be stressed? Lucifer, Satan (Betrayer of God). His presents in this world has made for the necessity of tapping into the DNA for adaptation.

Adaptation is good especially for animals. However, no DNA IS EVER ADDED. EVOLUTION IS A LIE! It
protects itself under the guise of -Theory, conjecture, opinion- which is a lie "Let what you say be simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything more than this comes from evil"- (Matthew 5:37). I say this because, they do not allow the counter argument to be presented and taught in schools.
So, what does adaptation have to do with the Theory of Evolution? Well, by pairing up this truth- adaptation with the Theory of evolution, Satan tries to legitimize his claims. Hence, malignment of truth.

Remember, a half truth is the greatest lie of all; because it is meant to deceive. No one can argue , adaptation is not present in all creation, right? However , evolution states lesser creatures evolve into greater entirely different ones, with no proof to back up claims- theory-conjecture.

Nothing in God's creation ever changed it species of itself. Yet as I said they have forced this theory down the throats of people since childhood. They condition and brainwash the mind for years, you are not allowed , in classrooms to reject this garbage. You get an F when you do.

Evolution says that because we share 96% of the same DNA as primates, we must have evolved from them? NONSENSE! What this means is, God, in creating man, added 4% more DNA to that design, that did not evolve. For scripture is clear- " Each reproduced according to its own kind". So, that 4% makes us completely different. Further, that 4% plus a soul from His heart makes us in His like and image. Similarities do not make equal. Each step in the DNA of each species is what separates each species from the other. Period!
Genesis 1:24
And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their (kind)—livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth (according to their kinds).” And it was so.

Add, and thus, you have a different creature. The ingredients God puts together- from the basic to the complex. No matter what science says ......if evolution were true all species would have already evolved to their highest form and the previous one would no longer exist.
Scientist today however, want to give their theory a little clout by mixing and dicing the human genome with other species. Only during the Covid-19 operation has it been implemented on a global scale!

So, Satan wants mankind to believe we came from primates. Why? He hates man! We, though created after the angels, and last to made concerning order in creation, are to be first, above angels. The example of our glory is Christ. "Beloved, we are God's children, it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who thus hopes in Him purifies himself as He is pure. ( 1 John 3:2-3)- enforcing " Man is made in the Image of God".
 
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Darwin was a false teacher who thought he was of lofty mind- who taught the lie of evolution. His place is in the lake of fire where all false teachers and false prophets go. Let us look at this false teacher's thoughts on Christianity: A post from the ( Atheist Republic. com)

"I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my father, brother and almost all my friends, will be everlastingly punished. And to me this is a damnable doctrine"

ANOTHER QUOTE: " We must , however, acknowledge, as it seems to me, that man with all his noble qualities... still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin."

"By considering the embryological structure of man- the homologies which he presents with lower animals... We thus learnt that man is descended from a hairy quadruped... probably arboreal in its habits, and an inhabitant of the old world."

REALLY!!!
Now for some contradiction: Darwin's theory of Natural Selection-

"More individuals are produced each generation that can survive. Phenotypic variations exists among individuals and the variation is heritable. Those individuals with heritable traits better suited to the environment will survive."
YET he SAYS:
" I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created
parasitic wasp with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of Caterpillars"

Contradiction! Doesn't this make the wasp better suited for survival? What did he say above that? "Those individuals with heritable traits better suited to the environment will survive."

Point is, when you develop a doctrine from the premise of hatred toward God, you have already loss the battle. You start from a bias in your doctrine- an agenda to war against God, and you end up with Swiss cheese doctrine . More wholes and gaps than can ever be filled with genome altering!

Science is full of contradictions and half- truths. Darwin hated God and could not possibly teach anything in wisdom. He was of the knowledge of Satan.

YESHUA (Jesus) SHALL CRUSH THE HEAD OF THE SERPENT!

Science with this “Theory” has thrown so much garbage at the body of Christ. And has produced many Masonic persons , dangerous people -who have brought great sorrows to man. Especially what has been thrust upon the whole of humanity now! It is time for pay back!

Science, through fallen angel knowledge, has produced a mark to be placed in the flesh of men in the genes (already being implemented), not just on the hand and forehead as biometric tracing (coming soon).

This mark will render men irredeemable by erasing the name of God out of the human genome and replacing it with their man's evil code of whatever organism they want.
Delightfulknowledge. com :
The DNA is composed of 4 elements hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, carbon, when put together form Y-H-W-G. Carbon is what makes us physical and earthly beings. When carbon is replaced with nitrogen, we have all colorless, odorless, and invisible gases! They form the letters Y-H-W-H which is the name of God.

The Human Genome project has found the key to unlock the human genome. Not to mention, that of all known species. This is as the Days of Noah, Christ spoke about. he called it out ahead of time throughout the Book of Revelation .The same thing that was going on then has come back around. Lack of faith unlocked this corrupt knowledge.


The fallen angels went into women then and produced Nephilim through mixing their spiritually corrupt seed with woman . Supernatural beings can manipulate the natural realm and can become an abstract type of form.

Now, through scientific technology, they have found a new way to create their offspring. They will corrupt men's DNA through an mRNA application. It will culminate with this alien garbage, having seeded the earth. It is a fallen angel deception, to make those who are unlearned of man prepared for the accepting DNA corruption about to be birthed in future generations. This is the "RED STEW" spoken of in the story of Jacob.
It will be accepted during a time of hardship, and labor, and strife. It is an non- kosher mark, so to speak. What will be said of itis, it came from extraterrestrials who have come back to advance the evolutionary cycle of MAN. The idea was cooked up by Kabbalah practitioners in high places. Even Jacob has been influenced by it. It was served up through the influence of the satanic Edomites who rule over Israel. They are trying too, to find a way to unlock eternal life (without God) for themselves.

ETERNAL LIFE IS ONLY RECEIVED THROUGH CHRIST! COME LORD JESUS COME!

Love Comes from God 1John4:17-19

…17In this way, love has been perfected among us, so that we may have confidence on the day of judgment; for in this world we are just like Him. 18There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear, because fear involves punishment. The one who fears has not been perfected in love. 19We love because He first loved us.…


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You forgot again... individuals don't evolve.
IOW, "[dinosaurs] don't evolve." As you've learned, dinosaurs are individuals.

Populations do.
Like eyes, right? Populations of eyes.
So when scientists note that dinosaurs (plural; a population) became birds (plural; a population)
It's sad that you think (or at least pretend to think) the singular noun, "population," is plural. Unlike you, many children have no difficulty understanding the elementary fact that the noun, "population," is singular, and not plural. But, here, you're once again shamelessly calling the singular noun, "population," "plural": "(plural; a population)". Since children understand that "population" is a singular, and not a plural noun, why can't you understand that "population" is a singular, and not a plural noun, Barbarian?

You forgot again... individuals don't evolve.
IOW, "[dinosaurs] don't evolve." Dinosaurs are individuals.
So when scientists note that dinosaurs (plural; a population) became birds (plural; a population),
You forgot again... the noun, "population," is not a plural noun, despite the fact that you're asininely trying to get us to believe it is a plural noun; it is a singular noun. "Dinosaurs" and "birds" are plural nouns, and dinosaurs and birds are individuals.

"became birds"

  • No non-bird has ever become a bird. Therefore, no non-birds have ever become birds.
  • Every bird has always been a bird. Therefore, all birds have always been birds.
  • No group of non-birds has ever become a group of birds.

And you were going to show us which of Darwin's four points are not supported by evidence,
Whenever you're ready to actually present some points, instead of over and over mindlessly chanting your Darwinistspeak gobbledygook—your non-points—which you've repeatedly miscalled "points," then you be sure to let me know.
and you were also going to show us some essential differences between dinosaurs and birds.
Do you mean anything by that? I've already asked you: which do you mean: 1 or 2?

  1. "essential differences between [non-birds] and birds"?
  2. "essential differences between [birds] and birds"?
Barbarian: <NO ANSWER, STILL>

As you've learned, if you mean neither 1 nor 2, then you are merely speaking meaninglessly.
 
They mean that a population of dinosaurs became birds as their descendents [sic] developed more birdlike features, features that provided some sort of advantage.

Which do you mean:
  1. "a population of [non-birds] became birds"?
  2. "a population of [birds] became birds"?
If you mean anything at all, you mean one or the other of these, two things, since, together, birds and non-birds are exhaustive of all things (and thus, exhaustive of all things to which you can be referring by your word, "dinosaurs"). So, which of these, two things do you mean?
:)

The first.
All right. And, when you say "a population of dinosaurs became birds", by your word "birds," either 1) you are referring to non-dinosaurs, or 2) you are referring to dinosaurs. Which of these two things do you mean:
  1. "a population of [non-birds] became [non-dinosaurs]"?
  2. "a population of [non-birds] became [dinosaurs]"?
(Note that you, a lay Darwinist, were actually willing to answer and tell me that, by your word, "dinosaurs," you are referring to non-birds, whereas, despite his being a professional Darwinist, Barbarian has, thus far, stonewalled against telling me whether, by his word, "dinosaurs," he is referring to non-birds or to birds. Thanks for the info.)
 
When they say "humans are mammals", what do you think they mean by that?
"They" who? Darwinists? Obviously, I don't assume Darwinists are speaking meaningfully in most of what y'all say, qua Darwinists. And it's as though y'all really want me to believe you are, indeed, speaking meaninglessly, seeing as how, every time I ask you a question as elementary as "By your word, 'dinosaurs,' are you referring to non-birds, or, instead, to birds?" you refuse to answer it, and instead try to whitewash your failure to have answered it by throwing more of your Darwinistspeak in my face.

As they say, birds are dinosaurs in the same sense that humans are mammals.

When they say "birds are dinosaurs," by their word, "dinosaurs," to which are they referring: non-birds or birds?

Which are you saying, Barbarian:
  1. "As they say, birds are [non-birds]"?
  2. "As they say, birds are [birds]"?

Barbarian: <NO ANSWER>
If you can figure that out, you have your answer.
If you can figure out whether, by your word, "dinosaurs," you are referring to non-birds, or, instead, to birds, then you can answer my question. So far you've not answered my question, so I assume you either do not know how to answer it, or you know how to answer it, but want me, and other readers, to think you do not know how to answer it.

Meantime, would you be able to show us the essential differences between dinosaurs and birds?
Which do you mean: 1 or 2?
  1. "the essential differences between [non-birds] and birds?"
  2. "the essential differences between [birds] and birds?"
If you mean neither 1 nor 2, then you are merely speaking meaninglessly, instead of asking me a question. Ball's in your court, champ: By your word, "dinosaurs," do you mean non-birds, or do you mean birds?
 
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Is a group of dinosaurS A dinosaur? Yes or No?
Barbarian: <NO ANSWER>

Instead of answering this yes/no question I asked you, you gave an answer to a question no one asked you:
It's a population of dinosaurs.
As you and I both know, I never asked you, "Is a group of dinosaurs a population of dinosaurs?"

In order to answer the question I asked you, you will need to respond by saying either 1) "Yes. [A group of dinosaurS is A dinosaur]," or 2) "No. [A group of dinosaurS is not A dinosaur." You've answered my question neither in the affirmative, nor in the negative, and so you've not answered it at all. Another transparent and pathetic fail by you, Barbarian.

Is a group of birdS A bird? Yes or No?
Barbarian: <NO ANSWER>

Instead of answering this yes/no question I asked you, you gave an answer to a question no one asked you:
It's a population of birds.
As you and I both know, I never asked you, "Is a group of birds a population of birds?"

In order to answer the question I asked you, you will need to respond by saying either 1) "Yes. [A group of birdS is A bird]," or 2) "No. [A group of birdS is not A bird." You've answered my question neither in the affirmative, nor in the negative, and so you've not answered it at all. Another pathetic fail by you, Barbarian.

Oh, also, when you quoted these two questions of mine in your post, you left out this part of my text: "Yes or No?"
Why did you do that, if not to try to hide the fact that you can't answer these elementary yes/no questions I asked you?

My words are:
Is a group of dinosaurS A dinosaur? Yes or No?
Yet you only quoted this much of them:
Is a group of dinosaurS A dinosaur?

My words are:
Is a group of birdS A bird? Yes or No?
Yet you only quoted this much of them:
Is a group of birdS A bird?

Is a group of dinosaurS A dinosaur, Barbarian? Yes or No?
Is a group of birdS A bird, Barbarian? Yes or No?

Why do you refuse to answer these questions, Barbarian?


But you should know that accusing people of lying is a very unwise thing to do, unless you can clearly show it. It's against the TOS here, and while I won't report you, other people might.
You "won't report" me for what? Are you accusing me of falsely accusing you of lying? Are you accusing me of lying about you?
 

Oops, I broke your Darwinistspeak language game. Sorry about that. :)

I wonder, T. E. Smith: Do you like others to say, to you, "You are raving"?

Oh, BTW, Barbarian, I couldn't even find so much as either one of the words, "lie," "lying," or "liar," in the text of the TOS page, despite the fact that you said to me:
But you should know that accusing people of lying is a very unwise thing to do, unless you can clearly show it. It's against the TOS here, and while I won't report you, other people might.
Maybe you can quote the exact words of the TOS to which you are referring, here?

So, I suppose you're not, after all, really much of an expert on what's and what's not "against the TOS here," but, out of curiosity, what do make of what T. E. Smith has just said to me (because (like you) he can't answer an elementary question about his use of the word, "birds")? Do you think that T. E. Smith's having said to me, "You are raving," would not be considered, by most people, T. E. Smith's having made a derogatory personal remark against me? In fact, he devoted a whole, non-reply post to me, tagging my user name to get my attention, solely so that he could say to me, "You are raving." Just saying.

1.3: Use self control and focus on reconcilliation [sic] when discussing differences. Address the issue, not the person. Do not make derogatory personal remarks or you will be removed from the thread.
 
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Something to consider, the books of Enoch and Jasher ( the legit ones), speak of the Watchers going in unto animals and corrupting their genomes as well. They call it "The mixing of species". Both of the Ethiopian preserved books, which are legit, show this. They also are supported by the Qumran scrolls.

Also, there is amazing archeological evidence found in Peru, which shows that man and dinosaurs coexisted. If so, it would support the accounts in the books of Enoch and Jasher.

Honestly, I believe, as people in the search of knowledge we have to know, the same type of people who block creatoinist now, are the same type as the ones who blocked truth back then. There have been numerous accounts in news papers from centuries ago that support the Nephilim/Anunaki from ancient times . Once published some governmental group, in the name of historical preservation would come in and confiscate the artifacts. There are numerous accounts of this. Plus many ancient drawings and accounts of the coexistence of man and dinosaurs have been discovered in numerous countries.
The interesting thing is, both ancient biblical writers and pagans say the same thing as to how these "giant" creatures came to be. I think with the extraterrestrial deception that is underway, the secret societies that have tried to hide that evidence, will bring it out as in support of their theories. The pagans saw all this as good, those under the influence of the unseen God saw it as bad- (these hybrid animals and men.)
God calls these Watchers/fallen angels that pagan cultures call-gods from the stars/ Anunaki, abominations. While the people of pagan cultures used these hybrid animals in service and entertainment, the True God warned his people against any use of . And on the Ark Noah only took two of each animal that was clean- concerning genome. The pagans saw these hybrid animals as amazing creations of the gods from the stars. Point is only one group of people on the whole planet didn't.
ALL cultures on the planet have accounts of what we call dinosaurs, Question is then, how can that be if man and dinosaurs are separated by some 60 million years? I think it like all truth, satan and his offspring throughout generations want to destroy, hide and or malign the truth.
How and why would prophets speak of these "nonexistent" beasts if the didn't exist? What are these references in cave drawings, ancient text and on pottery, if ancient man never saw them?
I believe these are the days in which that, which is hidden is brought into God's marvelous light. Everything that is secret will be revealed. The wicked will add their spin and twist but the righteous will see and know what the true story is behind it all. The children of the One True God will have the proper perspective on it all. The rest will believe the lie because they have no love of the Truth.
 
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Oops, I broke your Darwinistspeak language game. Sorry about that. :)

I wonder, T. E. Smith: Do you like others to say, to you, "You are raving"?

Oh, BTW, Barbarian, I couldn't even find so much as either one of the words, "lie," "lying," or "liar," in the text of the TOS page, despite the fact that you said to me:

Maybe you can quote the exact words of the TOS to which you are referring, here?

So, I suppose you're not, after all, really much of an expert on what's and what's not "against the TOS here," but, out of curiosity, what do make of what T. E. Smith has just said to me (because (like you) he can't answer an elementary question about his use of the word, "birds")? Do you think that T. E. Smith's having said to me, "You are raving," would not be considered, by most people, T. E. Smith's having made a derogatory personal remark against me? In fact, he devoted a whole, non-reply post to me, tagging my user name to get my attention, solely so that he could say to me, "You are raving." Just saying.
Yeah hypocrisy seems to be his claim to fame. But I rejoice when people point their hypocritical finger at me and call me derogatory names- " Rejoice for you are a partaker in the suffering of Christ". I have big shoulders, I can take the weight of that cross. But have you notice he can't along with some others? And I'm not saying you or I have made any derogatory remarks either, but that they consider truth derogatory.
 
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Darwin was a false teacher who thought he was of lofty mind- who taught the lie of evolution. His place is in the lake of fire where all false teachers and false prophets go. Let us look at this false teacher's thoughts on Christianity: A post from the ( Atheist Republic. com)

"I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my father, brother and almost all my friends, will be everlastingly punished. And to me this is a damnable doctrine"

ANOTHER QUOTE: " We must , however, acknowledge, as it seems to me, that man with all his noble qualities... still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin."

"By considering the embryological structure of man- the homologies which he presents with lower animals... We thus learnt that man is descended from a hairy quadruped... probably arboreal in its habits, and an inhabitant of the old world."

REALLY!!!
Now for some contradiction: Darwin's theory of Natural Selection-

"More individuals are produced each generation that can survive. Phenotypic variations exists among individuals and the variation is heritable. Those individuals with heritable traits better suited to the environment will survive."
YET he SAYS:
" I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created
parasitic wasp with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of Caterpillars"

Contradiction! Doesn't this make the wasp better suited for survival? What did he say above that? "Those individuals with heritable traits better suited to the environment will survive."

Point is, when you develop a doctrine from the premise of hatred toward God, you have already loss the battle. You start from a bias in your doctrine- an agenda to war against God, and you end up with Swiss cheese doctrine . More wholes and gaps than can ever be filled with genome altering!

Science is full of contradictions and half- truths. Darwin hated God and could not possibly teach anything in wisdom. He was of the knowledge of Satan.

YESHUA (Jesus) SHALL CRUSH THE HEAD OF THE SERPENT!

Science with this “Theory” has thrown so much garbage at the body of Christ. And has produced many Masonic persons , dangerous people -who have brought great sorrows to man. Especially what has been thrust upon the whole of humanity now! It is time for pay back!

Science, through fallen angel knowledge, has produced a mark to be placed in the flesh of men in the genes (already being implemented), not just on the hand and forehead as biometric tracing (coming soon).

This mark will render men irredeemable by erasing the name of God out of the human genome and replacing it with their man's evil code of whatever organism they want.
Delightfulknowledge. com :
The DNA is composed of 4 elements hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, carbon, when put together form Y-H-W-G. Carbon is what makes us physical and earthly beings. When carbon is replaced with nitrogen, we have all colorless, odorless, and invisible gases! They form the letters Y-H-W-H which is the name of God.

The Human Genome project has found the key to unlock the human genome. Not to mention, that of all known species. This is as the Days of Noah, Christ spoke about. he called it out ahead of time throughout the Book of Revelation .The same thing that was going on then has come back around. Lack of faith unlocked this corrupt knowledge.


The fallen angels went into women then and produced Nephilim through mixing their spiritually corrupt seed with woman . Supernatural beings can manipulate the natural realm and can become an abstract type of form.

Now, through scientific technology, they have found a new way to create their offspring. They will corrupt men's DNA through an mRNA application. It will culminate with this alien garbage, having seeded the earth. It is a fallen angel deception, to make those who are unlearned of man prepared for the accepting DNA corruption about to be birthed in future generations. This is the "RED STEW" spoken of in the story of Jacob.
It will be accepted during a time of hardship, and labor, and strife. It is an non- kosher mark, so to speak. What will be said of itis, it came from extraterrestrials who have come back to advance the evolutionary cycle of MAN. The idea was cooked up by Kabbalah practitioners in high places. Even Jacob has been influenced by it. It was served up through the influence of the satanic Edomites who rule over Israel. They are trying too, to find a way to unlock eternal life (without God) for themselves.

ETERNAL LIFE IS ONLY RECEIVED THROUGH CHRIST! COME LORD JESUS COME!

Love Comes from God 1John4:17-19

…17In this way, love has been perfected among us, so that we may have confidence on the day of judgment; for in this world we are just like Him. 18There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear, because fear involves punishment. The one who fears has not been perfected in love. 19We love because He first loved us.…


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I don't mind sharing the process. All has been resubmitted for Copyright. Writing as much as I do and also doing my own editing, can cause brain farts. LOL! Content still the same and irrefutable.
 

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