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- Thread starter donadams
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Sure...If you see stone and wood "images" as just stone and wood, you can spit on them just as if they are the ground they come from.
If spitting on "stone and wood" offends our conscience, it would be sacrilege...a sin.
And it would manifest that the image was something more than just stone or wood.
Judas threw the coins on the floor of the temple.
The word used in Zech 11:13 is "potter", not "pottery".
As you started with an erroneous translation, your POV is corrupted from its start.
Where were the cherubims over-shadowing the mercy seat EVER worshipped or even prayed to?
I don't think the old Israelites ever worshipped the furniture.
Num. 21:9's making of the serpent of brass was commanded by God after He sent fiery serpents among the rebellious Israelites. They were not worshipped or prayed to,
John 3:14?
Jesus was the manifestation of an OT presage.
He was indeed worthy of worship, but brass artifices made by men's hands are not.
Neither are plaster, stone, or wood images.
Spit away !
Bowing down to anything, is idolatry.
True.
You are adding men's pollution to worship.
Why does man need sacrifice, priests, or anything else to glorify God?
Can you spit on your bed without a guilty conscience?
That is the difference between idolatry and anything else.
What are you "obeying" when you bow to a Mary or Peter statue?
You are going to too great a lengths to defend idolatry.
When I became a real Christian, one of the first thing I did was throw my rosary in the dumpster.
Was that a sin?
Yikes.
I am glad I continued down to the third line !
We don’t pray to but God who can hear and answer our prayers
Why does Jesus say “whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, you do unto me”? Thanks
Yes and your disrespect for what the images represent, they themselves are just wood or stone and have no intrinsic value but they represent Christ, Mary, and the saints and you are disrespecting God who is the author of all good and Christ who is the source of all grace and virture, on the other hand to praise, love, venerate Mary and the saints to glorify Christ and God.
Why does Jesus say; “whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, that you do unto me”? Or Saul Saul why art thou persecuting me? Vos the new covenant church is the communion of saints, we are united with Christ. When was an image of Mary and the saints ever worshipped or prayed too? Only God may lawfully worshiped and we pray to God.
You can praise and glorify God but not worship, God must be worshipped in spirit and in truth see below. Why give up the rosary? You don’t think you need to meditate “mental prayer” on the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ? Thanks
They are wood and stone, and represent nothing but wood and stone.
If it is sacrilege to spit on it, statue worship is idolatry.
Because He may be in the "brother".
Because He is in the persecuted.
Never, and correct.
Huh?
Yes, but statues?
Never.
As an ex-catholic, I held it in an idolatrous fashion.
Of course I do, but I don't need wood and stone in order to do so.
This is true.
But it's not the CC that tells them to do this.
I wanted to ask you and donadams if the cherubim on the Ark would be considered graven images.
Thanks.
Aussie Mark
Member
If God created the Ark or instructed men to create the Ark to a specific design then no they are not.
If someone then worshipped one of those cherubim then they have themselves created a graven image. It would always be man's response to any object/art/painting etc that is at the heart.
After all, isn't that what the ten commandments set out to do, guide and control our sinful heart?
Aussie Mark
Member
Who are the saints?
Where in the Bible does it support the glorification of individuals and then assigning them to watch over certain people e.g. St Christopher the Patron Saint of Travellers? Those people who are lionised to much by the Catholic Church I suspect would have been humble in their Christian service and would actually be appalled if they only knew.
The term saints in the NT refers to all Christians, not a select group of past individuals who have been canonised by the Catholic Church.
Does this mean that wondering jasonc and myself might get statues??
wondering: as a CF Ambassador you could end up being the Patron Saint of Web Forums
Like the Cross?
May it never be!Who are the saints?
Where in the Bible does it support the glorification of individuals and then assigning them to watch over certain people e.g. St Christopher the Patron Saint of Travellers? Those people who are lionised to much by the Catholic Church I suspect would have been humble in their Christian service and would actually be appalled if they only knew.
The term saints in the NT refers to all Christians, not a select group of past individuals who have been canonised by the Catholic Church.
Does this mean that wondering jasonc and myself might get statues??
As a saint, I'd have to be set aside to read every single post!
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Why do the witnesses dislike the cross so much?
Protestants dislike the crucifix and prefer the plain cross with no Jesus on it.
Shouldn't we like anything and respect anything that is a representation of Jesus?
No matter what a denomination may believe Him to have been.
It is used as a idol- plain and simple!
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What is an idol?
Is it something we worship?
Do we worship the cross or use it to remember an event?
I wear a cross around my neck. Am I worshipping it?
Why- when the Bible says he wasn't executed on it?
Idols were the downfall of the ancient peoples.
Could you please explain why the difference is so important AND please post the verse that says a stake.
Thanks
I agree with your reply.
But it seems that those that are adverse to "graven images",,,I mean statues of Jesus, Mary or saints, always state the reason as being that these statues are actually being worshipped.
I just don't see this as bring true.