Dorothy Mae
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Or they start using yelling fonts and ask their opponent if it has to be "about them." Face it, God ordained that you would get the responses you get so stop being abusive and accept the foreordained will of God.
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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Objections to God's Sovereignty Answered..........Some
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Do not read my posts if you do not like what i do. You are not going to micro manage what I do.
use your "free will":yes
That's classic
Some have rejected the instruction.
Teaching has been laid out, verse by verse. Confessions plainly state an outline of the teaching.
However, people from time to time just take it upon themselves to reject it, for one or more reasons here.
Here is an example or two:
A person asks; HOW DOES A BABY SIN?
Scripture says all sinned...In Adam rom 3:23, 5.12-21...all sinned at one point in time.
That point is known as original sin, the fall into sin and death.
To get this wrong is to miss a major teaching contained in scripture and that person will never fully recover ,until that gets corrected.
Here is the proof, the first error is followed by the proof that it leads to a second serious error. The poster says
You should find out the difference between sinning and being IMPUTED WITH SIN.
Here the poster confuses several issues.
Sinning is what happens by all your life experiences during your history.
Original sin was an historical one time event with a continuing result.
There are two representative men.
The first Adam and the last Adam.
Imputation of the sin of the first Adam causes spiritual death of all persons ever born.
Imputation of the righteousness of the last Adam causes new birth to all born from above elect persons.
to misunderstand this , is to have a defective understanding of the cross.
Teaching has been laid out, verse by verse. Confessions plainly state an outline of the teaching.
However, people from time to time just take it upon themselves to reject it, for one or more reasons here.
Here is an example or two:
A person asks; HOW DOES A BABY SIN?
Scripture says all sinned...In Adam rom 3:23, 5.12-21...all sinned at one point in time.
That point is known as original sin, the fall into sin and death.
To get this wrong is to miss a major teaching contained in scripture and that person will never fully recover ,until that gets corrected.
Here is the proof, the first error is followed by the proof that it leads to a second serious error. The poster says
You should find out the difference between sinning and being IMPUTED WITH SIN.
Here the poster confuses several issues.
Sinning is what happens by all your life experiences during your history.
Original sin was an historical one time event with a continuing result.
There are two representative men.
The first Adam and the last Adam.
Imputation of the sin of the first Adam causes spiritual death of all persons ever born.
Imputation of the righteousness of the last Adam causes new birth to all born from above elect persons.
to misunderstand this , is to have a defective understanding of the cross.
Some object to the means of grace.
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
God has given gifted men ...to the church...THEY ARE MEN.
As soon as gifted men are quoted on a message board, when the persons cannot answer the link, they object saying ;
"you are quoting the words of men". They reject biblical truth saying...you are quoting men
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Who did you think would be quoted? A wildebeest
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
God has given gifted men ...to the church...THEY ARE MEN.
As soon as gifted men are quoted on a message board, when the persons cannot answer the link, they object saying ;
"you are quoting the words of men". They reject biblical truth saying...you are quoting men
2Who did you think would be quoted? A wildebeest
Some have rejected the instruction.
Some object to the means of grace.
Some believe they need no teaching.
One of the means of grace that is often rejected by self-styled lone ranger Christians, who reject what they call the teachings, and books of men, are the Historic Confessions of Faith, and a good solid Biblical Catechism.
Why do we advocate this? Why are these useful tools.
Here is a portion of one such useful tool;
From A Baptist Catechism with Commentary...by W.R.Downing
Some Objections Against Catechizing Answered
OBJECTION ONE: Why, as Baptists, use a catechism? Do not catechisms
belong only to the Romanists, Lutherans or Reformed Christians? We have
only one creed—the Bible! We will not and cannot put any literature on
par with the Scriptures, or add to the Word of God in any way.
ANSWER:
1. Catechizing, or repetitive oral instruction is scriptural. It was given by
Divine mandate in the Old Testament and is ratified in the New
Testament by inspired Apostolic example.
2. This is not a question of adding something to Scripture, but rather the
use of a necessary aid toward a comprehensive grasp of its doctrinal
teaching. God made us rational, morally responsible beings, created in
his image and likeness. We have been created with both the ability and
necessity to organize. An orderly or systematic approach to Divine
truth is a necessity, as seen in the necessary existence of doctrine and
theology. Sadly, many who object to the use of a catechism turn rather
to the very questionable use of other religious teaching materials
which are either doctrinally shallow or unsound.
3. A catechism is an organized elementary approach to the truth of the
Word of God. It is a primary introduction to the doctrinal teaching of
Scripture.
4. There is a great need for all believers to have at least two types of
knowledge concerning the truth of God: First, every young person
should at least have a general acquaintance with Scripture. What many
call “Bible Stories” gives the younger child a general knowledge of
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the Bible, its historical format, the basic principles of redemptive
history and some knowledge about the various books of the Bible and
their leading characters. Second, every young person should be taught
to understand, think and reason doctrinally from the Scriptures. For
centuries, this has been the purpose of a doctrinally–sound catechism.
Catechizing ceased among our Baptist forefathers when they no longer
emphasized their doctrinal distinctives and Confessions of Faith. In
Sunday schools catechisms were replaced by “Quarterlies,” which
have proven, we believe, to be vastly inferior.
5. Baptists used catechisms extensively and with much spiritual profit
until the past century. This objection itself demonstrates the sad
departure of some Baptists from their own doctrinal distinctives and
practice, and the ignorance of some modern Baptists concerning their
own history and spiritual heritage. Following are some of the more
well–known catechisms written and used by Baptists:
• Henry Jessey, Particular Baptist, A Catechism for Babes, or Little
Ones, 1652.
• Hercules Collins, Particular Baptist, The Orthodox Catechism
(adapted from the Heidelberg Catechism), 1680.
• Thomas Grantham, General Baptist, St. Paul’s Catechism (based
on the six principles of Hebrews 6), 1687.
• Benjamin Keach and William Collins, The Baptist Catechism,
1693.
• The Philadelphia Baptist Association of Particular Baptists
published a catechism appended to their Philadelphia Confession
of Faith, 1742.
• William Gadsby, Gospel Standard Baptist, published a catechism
entitled The Things Most Surely Believed Among Us, 1809.
• C. H. Spurgeon published A Baptist Catechism (compiled from
the Westminster Shorter Catechism and Keach’s Baptist
Catechism), 1855.
• The Sunday School Board of the Southern Baptist Convention
published two catechisms: the first by J. P. Boyce, A Brief
Catechism of Bible Doctrine (1864) and the second by John A.
Broadus (1892). The latter work was jointly published by both the
Southern Baptist Convention and the American Baptist
Publication Society.
Some object to the means of grace.
Some believe they need no teaching.
One of the means of grace that is often rejected by self-styled lone ranger Christians, who reject what they call the teachings, and books of men, are the Historic Confessions of Faith, and a good solid Biblical Catechism.
Why do we advocate this? Why are these useful tools.
Here is a portion of one such useful tool;
From A Baptist Catechism with Commentary...by W.R.Downing
Some Objections Against Catechizing Answered
OBJECTION ONE: Why, as Baptists, use a catechism? Do not catechisms
belong only to the Romanists, Lutherans or Reformed Christians? We have
only one creed—the Bible! We will not and cannot put any literature on
par with the Scriptures, or add to the Word of God in any way.
ANSWER:
1. Catechizing, or repetitive oral instruction is scriptural. It was given by
Divine mandate in the Old Testament and is ratified in the New
Testament by inspired Apostolic example.
2. This is not a question of adding something to Scripture, but rather the
use of a necessary aid toward a comprehensive grasp of its doctrinal
teaching. God made us rational, morally responsible beings, created in
his image and likeness. We have been created with both the ability and
necessity to organize. An orderly or systematic approach to Divine
truth is a necessity, as seen in the necessary existence of doctrine and
theology. Sadly, many who object to the use of a catechism turn rather
to the very questionable use of other religious teaching materials
which are either doctrinally shallow or unsound.
3. A catechism is an organized elementary approach to the truth of the
Word of God. It is a primary introduction to the doctrinal teaching of
Scripture.
4. There is a great need for all believers to have at least two types of
knowledge concerning the truth of God: First, every young person
should at least have a general acquaintance with Scripture. What many
call “Bible Stories” gives the younger child a general knowledge of
20
the Bible, its historical format, the basic principles of redemptive
history and some knowledge about the various books of the Bible and
their leading characters. Second, every young person should be taught
to understand, think and reason doctrinally from the Scriptures. For
centuries, this has been the purpose of a doctrinally–sound catechism.
Catechizing ceased among our Baptist forefathers when they no longer
emphasized their doctrinal distinctives and Confessions of Faith. In
Sunday schools catechisms were replaced by “Quarterlies,” which
have proven, we believe, to be vastly inferior.
5. Baptists used catechisms extensively and with much spiritual profit
until the past century. This objection itself demonstrates the sad
departure of some Baptists from their own doctrinal distinctives and
practice, and the ignorance of some modern Baptists concerning their
own history and spiritual heritage. Following are some of the more
well–known catechisms written and used by Baptists:
• Henry Jessey, Particular Baptist, A Catechism for Babes, or Little
Ones, 1652.
• Hercules Collins, Particular Baptist, The Orthodox Catechism
(adapted from the Heidelberg Catechism), 1680.
• Thomas Grantham, General Baptist, St. Paul’s Catechism (based
on the six principles of Hebrews 6), 1687.
• Benjamin Keach and William Collins, The Baptist Catechism,
1693.
• The Philadelphia Baptist Association of Particular Baptists
published a catechism appended to their Philadelphia Confession
of Faith, 1742.
• William Gadsby, Gospel Standard Baptist, published a catechism
entitled The Things Most Surely Believed Among Us, 1809.
• C. H. Spurgeon published A Baptist Catechism (compiled from
the Westminster Shorter Catechism and Keach’s Baptist
Catechism), 1855.
• The Sunday School Board of the Southern Baptist Convention
published two catechisms: the first by J. P. Boyce, A Brief
Catechism of Bible Doctrine (1864) and the second by John A.
Broadus (1892). The latter work was jointly published by both the
Southern Baptist Convention and the American Baptist
Publication Society.
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The Defense and Benefits of Confessions (Part 1)
Michael Baker | Reformed Baptist Church of Fort Worth
www.sermonaudio.com
The Role of Creeds and Confessions in the Church - Modern Reformation
In the summer of 1824, Samuel Miller, long-time professor of church history at Princeton Theological Seminary, offered this counsel to students preparing for ministry: His words were meant to impress upon them the necessity of creeds and confessions for maintaining the unity, peace, and purity...
modernreformation.org
What Are Creeds and Confessions?
In a basic sense, creeds and confessions are simply statements of biblical doctrine. When we take the words in this way, we can readily see that all Christians necessarily have a creed or a confession of their own, because all Christians have a “statement” of doctrine they believe is representative of the Bible’s teaching. These kinds of statements are usually private and unwritten, but they exist at least in the mind of every Christian. All churches also have a creed or a confession, and far too frequently these kinds of statements also remain private and unwritten. When they do, they are unhelpful for the church and may even be downright harmful, as we will see.The “no creed but the Bible” approach is misleading at best and dishonest at worst, because it hides the fact that it really does have a creed or a confession—in the most basic of senses discussed above—so that it doesn’t have to make that creed or confession available for all to see and examine. It thus puts itself beyond accountability and at the same time offers no help for church members in disputes and controversies, and it may actually leave them open to harm. This will be seen more clearly in the following section, where we will explore three main ways confessional documents help the church. They promote unity, ensure peace and purity, and provide protection for all of God’s people.
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The point is that creeds and confessions must be more than simple statements of biblical doctrine—although they are certainly not less. They must also be written, public documents that have been agreed upon and accepted by the church to be an expression of what it has historically believed the Bible teaches.
Within the tradition of the Reformation, creeds and confessions have always been considered as authoritative ecclesial standards. Their authority, however, has been regarded as only being secondary and derived. The Bible alone holds pride of place as the one standard that rules over all others (norma normans). It is primary in its authority
Within the tradition of the Reformation, creeds and confessions have always been considered as authoritative ecclesial standards. Their authority, however, has been regarded as only being secondary and derived. The Bible alone holds pride of place as the one standard that rules over all others (norma normans). It is primary in its authority
Dorothy Mae
Member
This post is an example of why it is unpleasant to engage with said poster. Rude behavior and jeering is what one will experience. Best to go elsewhere to the polite and respectful.Or some snowflakes melt down over font sizes and never answer anything
your a real charmer...I can ask fast freddy
It's not unreasonable to use large font.
Some persons eyes like myself have a harder time with small font even with glasses .try reading oh say a book on Adrian Rogers and it's on your phone and your laptop isn't much better .it's a photograph of his first church and baptism.
I had simply pass and just read the photo labeling to get the idea.sure I could pay to download his widows book on the pastors ministry from fellsemere to Bellevue Baptist church .but I chose not to for my own reason.
Some persons eyes like myself have a harder time with small font even with glasses .try reading oh say a book on Adrian Rogers and it's on your phone and your laptop isn't much better .it's a photograph of his first church and baptism.
I had simply pass and just read the photo labeling to get the idea.sure I could pay to download his widows book on the pastors ministry from fellsemere to Bellevue Baptist church .but I chose not to for my own reason.
Dorothy Mae
Member
Ask away. We are friends. We treat each other with respect and do not sink to the personal insults, unlike you.
I do not like your idea of good posting. If you have some biblical interaction that is fine. Your snide remarks that we are not to notice or comment on...not so much.
Dorothy Mae
Member
Says the poster whom W refuses to interact with he’s so rude!! Move on!
You cannot please everyone. I only help those who are sincere and want to learn.
God "works all things after the counsel of his will" (Ephesians 1:11).
This "all things" includes the fall of sparrows (Matthew 10:29), the rolling of dice (Proverbs 16:33), the slaughter of his people (Psalm 44:11), the decisions of kings (Proverbs 21:1), the failing of sight (Exodus 4:11), the sickness of children (2 Samuel 12:15), the loss and gain of money (1 Samuel 2:7), the suffering of saints (1 Peter 4:19), the completion of travel plans (James 4:15), the persecution of Christians (Hebrews 12:4-7), the repentance of souls (2 Timothy 2:25), the gift of faith (Philippians 1:29), the pursuit of holiness (Philippians 3:12-13), the growth of believers (Hebrews 6:3), the giving of life and the taking in death (1 Samuel 2:6), and the crucifixion of his Son (Acts 4:27-28). (Piper)
This "all things" includes the fall of sparrows (Matthew 10:29), the rolling of dice (Proverbs 16:33), the slaughter of his people (Psalm 44:11), the decisions of kings (Proverbs 21:1), the failing of sight (Exodus 4:11), the sickness of children (2 Samuel 12:15), the loss and gain of money (1 Samuel 2:7), the suffering of saints (1 Peter 4:19), the completion of travel plans (James 4:15), the persecution of Christians (Hebrews 12:4-7), the repentance of souls (2 Timothy 2:25), the gift of faith (Philippians 1:29), the pursuit of holiness (Philippians 3:12-13), the growth of believers (Hebrews 6:3), the giving of life and the taking in death (1 Samuel 2:6), and the crucifixion of his Son (Acts 4:27-28). (Piper)
Not everyone really believes it.