The Land Promises to Israel were Completed Long, Long Ago.

[theWind]

Very true, that is why it must be used as a whole, for understanding. The earth was created perfect as are all of God's creations, and there is no need to create a new one, therefore it is rather easy to ascertain that the earth that is destroyed is the corrupt satanic system Dan 2:44

No.

That's just not what the Bible teaches.

The heavens AND earth are completely destroyed per alllll the verses that I posted in the post you quoted.

Thus, the New Heaven and New Earth come thereafter, but none who are alive physically on the earth today will be there unless they are worthy of heaven.

There will be no wicked/sinners on that earth at all and the devil and death will all be gone by then per 1 Cor. 15:24-27.

 

[Consecrated Life]

.....there must be a 1,000 year period after Christ returns in order for the land of Israel to be fully given to those whom God promised it to so very long ago.

You cite no scripture for this.
Is there no scripture to support what you are saying?
Just asking .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You can repeat your question 20 times if you like. It is a moot point.

You are not the judge of God Almighty. You do not choose how He fulfills His promises.

Who did God give the land to?

"And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which He sware to give unto their fathers (including Abraham); and they possessed it and dwelt therein."
Joshua 21:43

Was this sufficient for completing God's promise?

"There failed nothing of any ... thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel (including Abraham); all came to pass."
Joshua 21:45

All that was promised came to pass.

All .... that was promised came to pass.

Unsure?

"Thou art the Lord the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth ... and gavest him the name of Abraham; ... and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, ... to his seed, and hast performed Thy words; for Thou art righteous: "
Nehemiah 9:7-8

That should clear it up.

So you know for a fact that you are not a child of Abraham and have no claim to any promises made to Abraham and his seed?

 

[theWind]

You cite no scripture for this.
Is there no scripture to support what you are saying?
Just asking .

Yes, there are citations all throughout the thread. Page 1 has them in posts #4, 5, 10.

Post #78 covers the matter pretty succinctly.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Sorry, but you're confused. Bless you.

The Promised Land is certainly a type of the Kingdom of God/Heaven, but the Bible in no way makes the case that the current land of Palestine is God's Kingdom.

I feel like you ... kind of know that.

Feel free to keep fleshing out your case that present day Palestine is the Biblical Kingdom of Heaven. I think you've got your work cut out for you.

I don't have any work cut out for me .I can just quote Jesus and I know.

Mathew 8:11
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”


Not only do I understand where it is,I know who will enter and who will be cast out of that kingdom.
According to you,no one travels east or west into the kingdom of heaven and no one is cast out.Thats because you don't comprehend Jesus.

 

[theWind]

So you know for a fact that you are not a child of Abraham and have no claim to any promises made to Abraham and his seed?

That has not one single thing to do with this thread nor with the post that you quoted.

I find it very dishonest and disrespectful when somebody intentionally strives to derail, and distract from the obvious path of, an established thread.

If you'd like to start another thread about whatever it is you're going on about, go right ahead.

This thread is about whether or not the Land Promises to Israel were fulfilled already or not.

The thread has proven very efficiently that they have been.

Would you like to further challenge that conclusion with Scripture?

 

[theWind]

I don't have any work cut out for me .I can just quote Jesus and I know.

Mathew 8:11
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”


Not only do I understand where it is,I know who will enter and who will be cast out of that kingdom.
According to you,no one travels east or west into the kingdom of heaven and no one is cast out.Thats because you don't comprehend Jesus.

If you'd like to discuss the topic of this thread, I will be checking back periodically.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

That has not one single thing to do with this thread nor with the post that you quoted.

I find it very dishonest and disrespectful when somebody intentionally strives to derail, and distract from the obvious path of, an established thread.

If you'd like to start another thread about whatever it is you're going on about, go right ahead.

This thread is about whether or not the Land Promises to Israel were fulfilled already or not.

The thread has proven very efficiently that they have been.

Would you like to further challenge that conclusion with Scripture?

It has everything to do with this thread.
You say the physical descendents of Abraham account as the seed of abraham and are those who inherit the promises to the children of Abraham.

But according to apostles of Christ,it is Christ and those who are in Christ who are the children of Abraham.

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.


Either Paul is right and you are wrong
Or you are right and Paul is wrong.

I don't believe Paul is wrong here.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

If you'd like to discuss the topic of this thread, I will be checking back periodically.

lol
See how I agree with Christ,yet you disagree with Christ.

Mathew 8:11
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”


I take it you will not travel east nor west and will not attend the great feast.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Zechariah 14

Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

 

[theWind]

It has everything to do with this thread.
You say the physical descendents of Abraham account as the seed of abraham and are those who inherit the promises to the children of Abraham.

But according to apostles of Christ,it is Christ and those who are in Christ who are the children of Abraham.

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.


Either Paul is right and you are wrong
Or you are right and Paul is wrong.

I don't believe Paul is wrong here.

lol
See how I agree with Christ,yet you disagree with Christ.

Mathew 8:11
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”


I take it you will not travel east nor west and will not attend the great feast.

Zechariah 14

Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

All sufficiently addressed in post #78.

Have a great Sabbath.

God bless.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

And here Isaiah prophecies of the promised land and those who dwell there.The land that stretches from Assyria to Egypt.A day of deliverance in the promised land.

Isaiah 19

18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the Lord of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

19 In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.

20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.

21 And the Lord shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the Lord in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the Lord, and perform it.

22 And the Lord shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the Lord, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.

23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance

 

[Consecrated Life]

Yes, there are citations all throughout the thread. Page 1 has them in posts #4, 5, 10.

Post #78 covers the matter pretty succinctly.

Post #78 says nothing to your assertion of
" 1000 year period" being required for anything ?
No scripture mention of " 1000 year period " being required for anything in posts #4,5,10 either .

That is why my question to you specifically quoted that manufactured prophecy in your OP given without any supporting scripture.
Here is the same question again , one more time , with the exact claim you printed but have yet to cite a scripture for?

theWind said:
.....there must be a 1,000 year period after Christ returns in order for the land of Israel to be fully given to those whom God promised it to so very long ago.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

All sufficiently addressed in post #78.

Have a great Sabbath.

God bless.

Sabbath is but a shadow of things to come.
1000 years of peace in the land of the Lord.

2 peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


I do believe we have several more years before the sabbath .I do believe he will pull quite a few sheep out of the pit on that day.

Mathew 12

12 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.

2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;

4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:

10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.

11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Post #78 says nothing to your assertion of
" 1000 year period" being required for anything ?
No scripture mention of " 1000 year period " being required for anything in posts #4,5,10 either .

That is why my question to you specifically quoted that manufactured prophecy in your OP given without any supporting scripture.
Here is the same question again , one more time , with the exact claim you printed but have yet to cite a scripture for?

theWind said:
.....there must be a 1,000 year period after Christ returns in order for the land of Israel to be fully given to those whom God promised it to so very long ago.

The wind avoids my direct questions too.

The wind stated that the promises made to Abraham and his seed were conditional and the Lord took the land from them for their disobedience .When I asked what did Abraham do to have the promise taken from him,then wind completely avoided the question .

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


I don't see where God told Abraham his promise was conditional nor do I believe Abraham has had that promise taken away from him as the wind has stated

 

[Consecrated Life]

The wind avoids my direct questions too.

The wind stated that the promises made to Abraham and his seed were conditional and the Lord took the land from them for their disobedience .When I asked what did Abraham do to have the promise taken from him,then wind completely avoided the question .

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


I don't see where God told Abraham his promise was conditional nor do I believe Abraham has had that promise taken away from him as the wind has stated

Yes, pressed on what they have concocted from whole cloth and off to the tall grass they disappear.

 

[theWind]

Post #78 says nothing to your assertion of
" 1000 year period" being required for anything ?
No scripture mention of " 1000 year period " being required for anything in posts #4,5,10 either .

That is why my question to you specifically quoted that manufactured prophecy in your OP given without any supporting scripture.
Here is the same question again , one more time , with the exact claim you printed but have yet to cite a scripture for?

theWind said:
.....there must be a 1,000 year period after Christ returns in order for the land of Israel to be fully given to those whom God promised it to so very long ago.

You are a very insincere and dishonest person and I do not take kindly to that at all.

Here is the sentence of mine from the OP that you purposely butchered:

This is a major problem for those who believe that there must be a 1,000 year period after Christ returns in order for the land of Israel to be fully given to those whom God promised it to so very long ago.

1. This thread is not about the Millennium.
2. That specific point WAS ABSOLUTELY addressed with multiple Scriptures in posts #4, 5 & 10. If you are too lazy to read those, that is your problem.

Post #78 shows how and why there is no need for a Millennium period after Christ returns for any group of people to be given any portion of land anywhere upon this physical currently-existing earth.

Treat me with respect and I'll treat you even better.

If you continue to conduct yourself so dishonestly, I have no obligation to continue to respond to you.

 

[theWind]

I’m convinced.

Thank you, Dorothy.

These are very important passages from Joshua and Nehemiah that completely disprove much of the dishonest doctrines that are taught today concerning the end times.

God bless.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Thank you, Dorothy.

These are very important passages from Joshua and Nehemiah that completely disprove much of the dishonest doctrines that are taught today concerning the end times.

God bless.

Dorothy is a preterist.You probably agree on many things.

 

[Charlie24]

There are many who debate Christian concepts who will naively hold fast to one single verse at the expense of the entirety of the rest of Scripture.

This is not how sound doctrine is established, nor how we understand the Bible's Truths properly.

I can take any verse in the Bible and create an entire doctrine around that one single verse with limited wording and questionable word definitions, language uncertainties, etc.

The only way to understand the Bible properly is to weigh any and all assumptions against the weight of Scriptue as a whole.

The Bible says God is love. Does it not?

It also says countless times throughout the book of Psalms and others that God HATES sinners. So do we make two camps and face them off in an endless debate that has no end? Of course not. We take the weight of the Bible as a whole to solve the issue.

All God's promises are conditional. I will re-post what I have already posted to show that the Israelites did not meet God's conditions and lost that land. Regardless of what God said initially, if they have not met their part of the agreement, the Promise is forfeited.

"Take good heed therefore unto yourselves, that ye love the Lord your God. Else if ye ... go back, and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, ... know for a certainty that the Lord your God will no more (drive them out) ... but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you. ... Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until He have destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you."
Joshua 13:11-13

Israel lost the land in the following months and years of their disobedience after this declaration was made by Joshua.

That is not even debated.

So you're saying that the land promise to Abraham and his seed is not "an everlasting possession?"

Israel doesn't possess that land now, so you're saying they never will? I don't think you have any ground to stand on with this one!

Gen 17:8

"And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."