Does man have free will to choose salvation?

[donadams]

Christ was born of a woman , you and I were born of a woman , none of us born in sin .

Same woman?

 

[hawkman]

Death in Adam, Life in Christ

I agree . Death came through Adam but there is no mention of a curse of sin through Adam from our birth . God explains in Genesis .


14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

 

[hawkman]

Same woman?

Same gender same human flesh .

 

[electedbyHim]

I agree . Death came through Adam but there is no mention of a curse of sin through Adam from our birth . God explains in Genesis .


14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

I understand this.

But what do you do with these verses?

Ephesians 2:3 among whom we all also formerly conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—

Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb; These who speak falsehood wander in error from birth.

 

[electedbyHim]

For those who were born sinless, when did you start sinning?

 

[donadams]

Hold on now Hoss.

I grew up Roman Catholic and never bought into their doctrines.

They tried to indoctrinate me as a alter boy and in school, never bought into it.

The Bible says absolutley nothing about our salvation in a sinful woman< who needed a Savior, as Mary.

Please take that elsewhere.

Please stay on topic.

I agree sorry yo butt in
I will explain it if you like on the Catholic forum under a thread our salvation is in Mary.

The hoss was an Lol! Btw

 

[donadams]

Our salvation is in Mary! Right?

Im serious! You dont believe the bible?

Off topic here please go to the catholic forum thread “our salvation is in Mary
Thks

 

[donadams]

Same gender same human flesh .

I have erred sorry this is off topic here i will respond if you go the catholic forum, under our salvation is in mary!

Mother of our salvation who gave birth to us all who are born again in Christ

Thks

 

[electedbyHim]

I have erred sorry this is off topic here i will respond if you go the catholic forum, under our salvation is in mary!

Mother of our salvation who gave birth to us all who are born again in Christ

Thks

Those that are not Catholic are not allowed to comment in the Catholic thread.

You are better off making a thread in the Unorthadox Theology forum.

 

[electedbyHim]

No one has answered my questions about being born sinless.

No one has Biblical proof they are born sinless.

No one has refuted the Scriptures I posted about being born in sin.

 

[donadams]

Those that are not Catholic are not allowed to comment in the Catholic thread.

You are better off making a thread in the Unorthadox Theology forum.

I give you permission!

 

[donadams]

I give you permission!

I notified free to give you access
Jlb is not catholic but he posts
It all good

 

[donadams]

Free says everyone has access no restrictions

 

[Hopeful 2]

For those who were born sinless, when did you start sinning?

I was at a U.S. Grant's store in Collinsville, Ill., and stole a part of a toy.
I was seven.

 

[Little Owl]

Christ was born of a woman , you and I were born of a woman , none of us born in sin .

True. By one man sin entered the world .

Mary was deemed special by God and gave birth to The Word made flesh,Jesus.

If Jesus were a born sinner he could never be offered as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.

 

[hawkman]

Death came through Adam but there is no mention of a curse of sin through Adam from our birth . God explains in Genesis .

I understand this.

Do you believe God would neglect to tell Adam the curse of sin would now live in him and all his descendants after him ?

 

[brightfame52]

When God speaks to us we have faith.

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

That scripture is about the regenerated who have spiritual life and hearing.

 

[Hopeful 2]

That scripture is about the regenerated who have spiritual life and hearing.

I didn't have Spiritual life or hearing when I was told by men of God what I must do to be saved.
I was a cigarette and dope smoking drunk with nothing on my mind but lust.
No regenerated man smokes cigarettes or dope.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Those that are not Catholic are not allowed to comment in the Catholic thread.

You are better off making a thread in the Unorthadox Theology forum.

Can I convert for 20 minutes so I can comment in the R.C. thread?

 

[Fastfredy0]

Do you believe God would neglect to tell Adam the curse of sin would now live in him and all his descendants after him ?

I wouldn't use the verb "neglect" when speaking of God's actions .... but God per Gen 2:17 God told Adam that he would die. As to the 1,000,000,000,000,000 repercussions, I have no idea what else God told him.

Aside: I seldom found my theology on presuppositions (His way are not ours ways.. )