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The word "angel" means messenger.
If you really want a detailed answer, you can get one from the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia Online.
Angel in the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia.
Information on Angel from the classic Bible reference encyclopedia.
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This page gives you a bunch of articles about Angels and goes on to Satan and Demonology.
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Greek goddess called Angel
In Greek mythology, Angelos (Ancient Greek: Ἄγγελος) or Angelia (Ἀγγελία) was a daughter of Zeus and Hera who became known as a chthonic deity. The world of the dead (Hell) is her realm of influence, and was assigned an epithet katachthonia ("she of the underworld").
In Ancient Greek; angels known as ἄγγελος (ángelos). In Latin: angels are called "angelus."
(Greek mythology) The daughter of Zeus and Hera, and goddess of the Underworld.
ANGELIA was the personified spirit (daimona) of messages, tidings and proclamations. The English word "angel" derives the same ancient Greek word.
Angel Angelos Adopted biblical term
The Greek term Angelos did not originate with Judaism or Christianity, but was ordinary Greek, in which it can designate either a human messenger or a heavenly “divine” one. The term was adopted into the 3rd century B.C. Greek Old Testament of the bible as a translation in place of the Hebrew word “malach,” and thereby became part of ancient Jewish and later ancient Christian language also.
Angelos. (Greek mythology) Daughter of Zeus and Hera, and a goddess of the Underworld. Angel was the messenger of Hell.
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Messengers not Angels.
Angels are from Greek mythology.
The number of wings is parabolic of status.
The Messengers with four wings on Earth later have six wings in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Don't forget, you are reading parables.
Example: "He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land..."
The sea is parabolic for the multitudes. See:
Revelation 17:15
Then the (angel / messenger) said to me, “The (waters / sea) you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.
The Earth is parabolic for America which came up in a wilderness. It is opposite of the Sea. See:
Revelation 13:11
Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.
"Beast" is parabolic for Nation-s, Earth is opposite of Sea and is a wilderness, Horns parabolic for strength: American is a Republic with a Democratic process. "Like a lamb" is parabolic for being a Christian nation. Dragons are parabolic of secret society.
There are two dragons, Leviathan and Behemoth. Leviathan is the Dragon of the sea, and Behemoth is the Dragon of the (land / Earth.)
By the way, this world is also called heaven.
Genesis 1:8
And God called the (Earth / firmament) Heaven.
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"Angels" is fine. It keeps human messengers distinct from the supernatural messengers.
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Whether or not your interpretation is correct, the Septuagint was not the Hebrew Old Testament, which was the accepted Scripture used to form the Bible. Besides, even if you are correct, the Bible transforms that meaning into the Bible's meaning because of the Holy Spirit's work.
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Flesh and blood men give their INTERPRETATIONS of scriptures. In the Bible, the Hebrew word "malak" TRANSLATES to "messenger". Angels are a Pagan belief. Only Pagan Christians accept the INTERPRETATION "Angel."
Are you a Pagan Christian?
List of words that do not belong in scriptures.
Angel in place of messenger.
Cross in place of stake or pole.
Church in place of Assembly or Congregation.
Lucifer in place of Morning Star.
Day Star in place of Bright Morning Star.
Hades in place of grave.
Tartarus also in place of grave.
Hell in place of grave and Gehenna.
Hell in one place for pit.
The Lord in place of God's name Yahwah.
God in place of Elohiym which means "God of the living ones."
Jesus in place of his name Yahshua.
James in place of his name Jacob.
Prince in place of minister.
Armageddon or Harmagedon in place of "Mount of the congregation Zion."
The Old Testament says that only Yahwah is the "First and the Last."
Verse nine of Jude is a Gnostic insertion.
God is "The Rock" which Peter was to build the Congregation upon.
The resurrection of the Elect has not taken place yet.
Savior in place of the word Deliverer. Yahwah is the true Savior.
Bear in place of Leo or Lion. Christ is the Lion of Judah and Satan is the Bear in symbology.
Note: The word "Satan" is a parable used to mean Adversary or Opposition.
The translators have been putting words in God's mouth.
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Which is what you do. It's what we all do; we cannot not do it.
"Angel" is fine.
Which is fine, depending on the context. As I stated earlier, it keeps human messengers separate from those created spiritual beings who dwell with God and are "winds . . . and . . . a flame of fire" (Heb. 1:7).
Act 6:15 And gazing at him, all who sat in the council saw that his face was like the face of an angel. (ESV)
Do you really think that it makes sense to say that "the council saw that his face was like the face of a messenger"?
Because it likely was a cross, but is entirely irrelevant to Jesus's atoning death for our sins. There is no issue here.
You don't mind Sheol though? The problem with your argument here is that you're saying God incorrectly inspired the NT writers, that God got it wrong. The NT was written in Greek and in the Greek there is hades and tartaroo. Your issue is with God, not Bible translators.
Where is "hell" used in place of grave, and in which translation(s)? As for Gehenna, that is Hell proper, the lake of fire, the final destination of unbelievers. Nothing wrong with that.
"The LORD" is fine in place of Yahweh.
Where is your evidence for that meaning? Elohiym has several different meanings, depending on context. According to Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions:
1) (plural)
1a) rulers, judges
1b) divine ones
1c) angels
1d) gods
2) (plural intensive - singular meaning)
2a) god, goddess
2b) godlike one
2c) works or special possessions of God
2d) the (true) God
2e) God
According to the New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance:
elohim (43b); pl. of H433; God, god: — divine (1), divine being (1), exceedingly (1), God (2326), god (45), God's (14), goddess (2), godly (1), gods (204), great (2), judges (3), mighty (2), rulers (1), shrine *(1).
Jesus is fine in place of Yeshua.
Yahweh is the true Saviour, no one would dispute that, and that is why the Son is also the true Saviour.
Tit 1:3 and at the proper time manifested in his word through the preaching with which I have been entrusted by the command of God our Savior;
Tit 1:4 To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior. (ESV)
Tit 2:10 not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior.
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Tit 2:13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, (ESV)
Tit 3:4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared,
Tit 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Tit 3:6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, (ESV)
Words aren't parables.
Well, so have you, as I have pointed out many times. Translators are translating from ancient Hebrew and Greek into other, modern languages, who live in entirely different contexts, so that those of other languages can understand.
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What is your point? Are you trying to prove that this passage is describing humans? And why do you call them men? You need to write out complete verses and any additional context:
Eze 1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, each had a human face. The four had the face of a lion on the right side, the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and the four had the face of an eagle.
Eze 1:11 Such were their faces. And their wings were spread out above. Each creature had two wings, each of which touched the wing of another, while two covered their bodies. (ESV)
They had four faces, only one of which was that of a human. It doesn't even say they were male faces. You might also note that humans don't have four faces, nor any number of wings.
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Angels are an outer realm of human experience, reserved for the godly who will acknowledge their role without getting caught up in angelology. They should be treated with the respect of beings who love and serve the Lord, much as we would treat a great and noble saint.
They play a role within our realm, but we are not to treat them as if they are a critical part of our realm. Our world is a human domain, but it all belongs to God who operates, if He chooses, through the use of angels, just as He chooses to use men.
There is a reason God denies our corrupt interest in the occult, because the world of the supernatural, when it attempts to become part of our realm, is seeking to displace God. In honoring these fallen anges we are enabling them and participating in their corruption.
We can be happy with the Most High, and simply acknowledge His use of angels where it is warranted. We should not get distracted.
They play a role within our realm, but we are not to treat them as if they are a critical part of our realm. Our world is a human domain, but it all belongs to God who operates, if He chooses, through the use of angels, just as He chooses to use men.
There is a reason God denies our corrupt interest in the occult, because the world of the supernatural, when it attempts to become part of our realm, is seeking to displace God. In honoring these fallen anges we are enabling them and participating in their corruption.
We can be happy with the Most High, and simply acknowledge His use of angels where it is warranted. We should not get distracted.
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You're assuming that people in the Bible are "scared to death" when they fall before angels. First, those verses don't say what they are feeling at that time. Second, the Bible says we must fear God, which is a godly reverence or respect, not terror, because of his divine authority. Third, the times when people fall before Jesus, he accepts their worship without correcting them, whereas angels always correct them from worshiping the angels. They usually tell the worship God instead.
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Point is well taken. However, I think there can be a healthy fear whenever we are confronted with something larger than us. It's easy to say, "Well, God is stronger than them, and He is with me!" That doesn't really "cut the cake."
My brother, who used to pastor a church, told me he once saw an enormous angel standing in front of the church room--perhaps the area of the altar. He didn't say he was afraid, but if I saw a being that large, I think I might indulge in a little respect and fear of that kind? ;)
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Very early in my role as one of the Lord's musicians, I was given a melody in my hands (piano and keyboards), no words for it. My sweet Lori had had a conversation with God, and some words resulted. I played it for the first time at home, with the words in front of me, reading along. Lori was at the other side of the house. Immediately after I started, I heard a voice singing along, a female voice. At first I thought it was Lori, but it was not. About halfway through, many more voices joined, more than I could count, none of them being anyone in our house or near it. I was overwhelmed, shocked, and a little terrified, and I almost stopped, and a voice said, "Play!" And so I played. A sense of purpose was given, and has never been taken. More such events have occurred since.
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The Bible classifies some angels as “elect” (1 Timothy 5:21) or “holy” (Matthew 25:31; Mark 8:38). All angels were created to be holy, enjoying the presence of God (Matthew 18:10) and the beauty of heaven (Mark 13:32).
Other angels oppose God under the leadership of Satan (Isaiah 14:12-20) whom even Satan is a created spirit of God that is why God could never destroy him because a spirit can not die. (Matthew 25:41; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1: 6; Ephesians 6:12). We often call these types of angels demons for which an everlasting fire is prepared by God for these angels.
Angels have no gender (Matthew 22:30) and are innumerable (Hebrews 12:22). They are incarnate in human form at times (Genesis 18:2-8) for the purpose of ministry. Angels also express emotions (Luke 15:10), are wise (2 Samuel 14:20) and powerful (Psalms 103:20).
The unnamed angels who appear most often in Scripture carry out a variety of tasks—all designed to serve God…
Worship and praise - This is the main activity portrayed in heaven (Isaiah 6:1-3; Revelation 4-5).
Revealing - They serve as messengers to communicate God's will to men. They helped reveal the law to Moses (Acts 7:52-53), and served as the carriers of much of the material in Daniel, and Revelation.
Guiding - Angels gave instructions to Joseph about the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1-2), to the women at the tomb, to Philip (Acts 8:26), and to Cornelius (Acts 10:1-8).
Providing - God has used angels to provide physical needs such as food for Hagar (Genesis 21:17-20), Elijah (1 Kings 19:6), and Christ after His temptation (Matthew 4:11).
Protecting - Keeping God's people out of physical danger, as in the cases of Daniel and the lions, and his three friends in the fiery furnace (Daniel 3 and 6).
Delivering - Getting God's people out of danger once they're in it. Angels released the apostles from prison in Acts 5, and repeated the process for Peter in Acts 12.
Strengthening and encouraging - Angels strengthened Jesus after His temptation (Matt 4:11), encouraged the apostles to keep preaching after releasing them from prison (Acts 5:19-20), and told Paul that everyone on his ship would survive the impending shipwreck (Acts 27:23-25).
Answering prayer - God often uses angels as His means of answering the prayers of His people (Daniel 9:20-24; 10:10-12; Acts 12:1-17).
Caring for believers at the moment of death - In the story of Lazarus and the rich man, we read that angels carried the spirit of Lazarus to “Abraham's bosom” when he died (Luke 16:22).
You never know when and where and angel of God will show up and as Hebrews 13:2 says be careful for you never know when you are entertaining angels unaware.
Other angels oppose God under the leadership of Satan (Isaiah 14:12-20) whom even Satan is a created spirit of God that is why God could never destroy him because a spirit can not die. (Matthew 25:41; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1: 6; Ephesians 6:12). We often call these types of angels demons for which an everlasting fire is prepared by God for these angels.
Angels have no gender (Matthew 22:30) and are innumerable (Hebrews 12:22). They are incarnate in human form at times (Genesis 18:2-8) for the purpose of ministry. Angels also express emotions (Luke 15:10), are wise (2 Samuel 14:20) and powerful (Psalms 103:20).
The unnamed angels who appear most often in Scripture carry out a variety of tasks—all designed to serve God…
Worship and praise - This is the main activity portrayed in heaven (Isaiah 6:1-3; Revelation 4-5).
Revealing - They serve as messengers to communicate God's will to men. They helped reveal the law to Moses (Acts 7:52-53), and served as the carriers of much of the material in Daniel, and Revelation.
Guiding - Angels gave instructions to Joseph about the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1-2), to the women at the tomb, to Philip (Acts 8:26), and to Cornelius (Acts 10:1-8).
Providing - God has used angels to provide physical needs such as food for Hagar (Genesis 21:17-20), Elijah (1 Kings 19:6), and Christ after His temptation (Matthew 4:11).
Protecting - Keeping God's people out of physical danger, as in the cases of Daniel and the lions, and his three friends in the fiery furnace (Daniel 3 and 6).
Delivering - Getting God's people out of danger once they're in it. Angels released the apostles from prison in Acts 5, and repeated the process for Peter in Acts 12.
Strengthening and encouraging - Angels strengthened Jesus after His temptation (Matt 4:11), encouraged the apostles to keep preaching after releasing them from prison (Acts 5:19-20), and told Paul that everyone on his ship would survive the impending shipwreck (Acts 27:23-25).
Answering prayer - God often uses angels as His means of answering the prayers of His people (Daniel 9:20-24; 10:10-12; Acts 12:1-17).
Caring for believers at the moment of death - In the story of Lazarus and the rich man, we read that angels carried the spirit of Lazarus to “Abraham's bosom” when he died (Luke 16:22).
You never know when and where and angel of God will show up and as Hebrews 13:2 says be careful for you never know when you are entertaining angels unaware.
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Yea, I can believe that. I think angels are around us, and only enter into our experience when we are not focused on them, but rather, on Jesus. If they are curious about God forgiving us while they understand "law," then they may equally be interested in our worship of God--something they also are tuned into.
Music is a wonderful thing, and a powerful tool. My father and my brother were musicians on the side. Unfortunately, when handing out talents like this, I was left out.
I could read music, enjoyed the creaativity and feel, but lacked the intuitiveness and spontaneity of this gift. I wish you well. When you're doing well with it spiritually I would not doubt it if angels sometimes join in.
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I think that you shouldn't be so certain of your interpretation, since it might be wrong.
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Clearly, Bruce is wrong in saying, "God called the Earth Heaven." That would be a complete contradiction.
While it is true that Moses, in Genesis, referred to the Heaven as a "Firmament," meaning something structurally supportive, it does not have represent material sturdiness. We do know, in modern science, that space around the earth is fixed and supportive of life on earth and in the seas. Water safely falls from the skies above to provide fresh water for plants and animals. The heavens are as stable as the earth, and they work securely together until God wishes to disrupt their harmony.
