Daniel's Seventy Weeks

[Elijah7777]

Only Jesus is holy and supports and nourishes us NOT Israel. We are grafted into Christ, NOT Abraham or Israel.

Jesus is the fulfillment and completion of that promise, bringing salvation to all nations. The passage is talking about the promises of God. (Of course they are conditional. We have to do our part and then God will do His part.)

People do not understand how the old covenant applies to us today. Jesus said "Depart from me" in Matthew 7:23, addressing those who claimed to follow Him but did not truly do the will of God.

On the day of Pentacost they were very surprised that the Gentiles received the Holy Spirit. They did not expect that at all. Jesus came for Israel not the gentiles. Although He was slain from the foundation of the world. I do not understand that.

Acts 15:1 records that certain men from Judea taught that Gentiles must be circumcised to be saved. Paul argues against this. Even David said: "You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise." (Psalm 51:16–17)

 

[for_his_glory]

So FHG, are you saying that the glorified Jesus at the Father`s right hand is not in the Godhead, knowing all things?

Also, Abraham`s Seed is Christ. That is who we are of, not Abraham.

No, that is not what I am saying as Jesus is part of the Godhead.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

When Jesus said only God knows I can only assume He alone knows when He will send Christ back to gather us to Him. I could be wrong, but that is how I read this verse.

 

[for_his_glory]

When do you think that will be? The angels talk about this in Acts. We know his feet will touch the ground and then we are told there will be a big earthquake. The New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven. 1500 by 1500 by 1500 miles. This gives them mineral right and airspace. All of the Arab continental plate. There is a huge amount of science behind what we read in the Bible.

Zechariah 14:4:

"On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half the mountain moving to the north and half to the south."
In Acts 1:11, after Jesus ascended into heaven, two angels appeared to His disciples and said:

"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven."

You talk about 5 different things in one paragraph but this is the main point. The return of Jesus. Not just where we are caught up in the air to be with Him

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

I have no idea when Jesus will return, but He did give us signs to watch for, especially in Matthew 24:29-31. In fact all that Jesus said in Matthew 24 about what must come first is and outline of end time events, but the most important thing is that we are prepared ahead of time to be caught up to meet Him in the air and be with Him for all eternity.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus came for Israel not the gentiles.

I have to disagree with this as Jesus came that the world, being everyone Jew and Gentile, through Him might be saved. Both Jew and Gentile followed Jesus and came to faith in Him.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

It's not by ancestry or DNA, it's by faith that we are part of Abraham's seed as seed in that verse means we have the same faith that Abraham had.

 

[Elijah7777]

I have to disagree

Matthew 15:24, where He says, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." You can do what you want with this passage.
Matthew 10:5-6
These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go onto the road of the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. / Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

Jesus was born into the tribe of Judah, but His ministry extended to all Israelites. It is from "Judah" that they come up with the derogatory term "Jew" or "Jewish".

 

[for_his_glory]

Matthew 15:24, where He says, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." You can do what you want with this passage.
Matthew 10:5-6
These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go onto the road of the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. / Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

Jesus was born into the tribe of Judah, but His ministry extended to all Israelites. It is from "Judah" that they come up with the derogatory term "Jew" or "Jewish".

The word of God is given to all nations and tongues that live throughout the whole world as in Jew and Gentile. Israel is mainly mentioned, but not all of Israel is Gods chosen people. Those who are washed in the blood of the Lamb are joined as a branch with Israel as God is the root of that branch and those who are sealed by His Holy Spirit are His own who find favor in Him, Romans 11:11-31; Galatians3:24-29. This is why our attention needs to be on those things that are happening in Israel especially Jerusalem as being Gods Holy City.​

 

[Elijah7777]

The word of God is given to all nations and tongues that live throughout the whole world as in Jew and Gentile.

Israel is often depicted as the wife of God the Father (Jehovah). Several Old Testament passages, such as Jeremiah 3:14 and Ezekiel 16, describe Israel as being in a covenant relationship with God, akin to a marriage. However, in the New Testament, the Church is described as the Bride of Christ (Jesus), particularly in passages like Ephesians 5:22-33 and Revelation 19:7-9.

 

[Marilyn C]

No, that is not what I am saying as Jesus is part of the Godhead.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

When Jesus said only God knows I can only assume He alone knows when He will send Christ back to gather us to Him. I could be wrong, but that is how I read this verse.

Yes, I read that too because Jesus was manifest as a man. And He `took the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men, and being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even death of the cross.` (Phil. 2: 7 & 8)

However, Jesus is in the Godhead at the right hand of the Father now - in unity, equal and of the same mind. If that were not true, then Jesus would not be God.

 

[Marilyn C]

Israel is often depicted as the wife of God the Father (Jehovah). Several Old Testament passages, such as Jeremiah 3:14 and Ezekiel 16, describe Israel as being in a covenant relationship with God, akin to a marriage. However, in the New Testament, the Church is described as the Bride of Christ (Jesus), particularly in passages like Ephesians 5:22-33 and Revelation 19:7-9.

I agree Elijah that God is depicted as Israel`s husband, (master) and Israel the wife. (Isa. 54: 5 & 6)

Now the Body of Christ is never called the `wife or bride.` Eph. 5: 22 - 30 is an exhortation to husbands to love their wives as their own body as Christ loves His body.

`For we are members of His body, of His flesh and His bones.` (Eph. 5: 30)

`Let us be glad and rejoice, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.` (Rev. 19: 7)

The title `Lamb` is for Israel pertaining to their Passover. And the `wife` is the symbol of Israel. They went astray but God will take them back.

`I will betroth you to me forever; yes, I will betroth you to me in righteousness and justice..` (Hosea 2: 19)

We do not make a doctrine out of symbols and exhortations.

 

[Elijah7777]

Now the Body of Christ is never called the `wife or bride.`

I am fine with that. I have never been comfortable with being called a "bride". I do always talk about how the husband is to sacrifice himself the way Jesus sacrificed Himself for us.

 

[Marilyn C]

I am fine with that. I have never been comfortable with being called a "bride". I do always talk about how the husband is to sacrifice himself the way Jesus sacrificed Himself for us.

Hi Elijah,

That is so good to hear, especially from a man. Thank you for being so gracious. I do get a lot of flack for pointing out the error, but the false teaching is so ingrained. I think men don`t really think of themselves as a `bride` but think of their own bride perhaps.

 

[Elijah7777]

especially from a man.

I was a single parent for 12 years. The women who were single parents wondered what it was like for a man to be a single parent and it always turned out that it was exactly the same. It is as difficult for a man to be a mother as it is for a woman to be a father to their child.

 

[Marilyn C]

I was a single parent for 12 years. The women who were single parents wondered what it was like for a man to be a single parent and it always turned out that it was exactly the same. It is as difficult for a man to be a mother as it is for a woman to be a father to their child.

That would have been very tiring yet rewarding I would think, to have that time with your child or children.

 

[Elijah7777]

That would have been very tiring yet rewarding I would think, to have that time with your child or children.

I was active at the time. We would rollar skating on family night once a week. That was a long time ago. We had a little money to buy some toys. Dirt bikes and even a gocart. My mom had a gulf cart she used to get around. So it was difficult but we had a lot of fun also. When we were younger all the money went toward the house or education. There were four of us all in school at the same time. So that took up all the money for years.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes, I read that too because Jesus was manifest as a man. And He `took the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men, and being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even death of the cross.` (Phil. 2: 7 & 8)

However, Jesus is in the Godhead at the right hand of the Father now - in unity, equal and of the same mind. If that were not true, then Jesus would not be God.

The Trinity can be hard to understand in parts, but we take it by faith in whom Jesus said He was/is.

 

[for_his_glory]

Israel is often depicted as the wife of God the Father (Jehovah). Several Old Testament passages, such as Jeremiah 3:14 and Ezekiel 16, describe Israel as being in a covenant relationship with God, akin to a marriage. However, in the New Testament, the Church is described as the Bride of Christ (Jesus), particularly in passages like Ephesians 5:22-33 and Revelation 19:7-9.

Isaiah 54:5-7; Hosea 2:19, Jeremiah 31:32; Revelation 21:2 all speak about God being our husband and we His wife (Bride). This is just a metaphor for the covenant relationship we are to have with Him.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes, I read that too because Jesus was manifest as a man. And He `took the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men, and being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even death of the cross.` (Phil. 2: 7 & 8)

However, Jesus is in the Godhead at the right hand of the Father now - in unity, equal and of the same mind. If that were not true, then Jesus would not be God.

You make a very valid point, thank you.

 

[Elijah7777]

Revelation 21:2

We are told: "“Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” Jesus is the lamb of God.

 

[Marilyn C]

The Trinity can be hard to understand in parts, but we take it by faith in whom Jesus said He was/is.

Jesus said things to Israel that does not apply to us. Jesus tells His Body (us) things that He never told Israel.

It is important to know whom the Lord is speaking to and not take it all as about US.

 

[Marilyn C]

Isaiah 54:5-7; Hosea 2:19, Jeremiah 31:32; Revelation 21:2 all speak about God being our husband and we His wife (Bride). This is just a metaphor for the covenant relationship we are to have with Him.

You are quoting mostly Old Testament passages which have to do with Israel. The Body of Christ is never mentioned or known about in the Old Testament.

The Old Testament saints are the ones who were promised the city. (Heb. 11: 16)