We are at the end, Iran and Israel war.

[miamited]

God did not reveal himself to me through the people of Israel. He reveal himself to me through the Spirit of His Son.

I'm assured that is not a true statement. The only reason you even know that there is a God who gives the Spirit is through the writings of the Jews who wrote the Scriptures as they were led by the Holy Spirit. You learned about that reality by reading the Scriptures. It didn't come to you through some osmotic action that your brain just came to know one day while you were living your life. You likely began your faith journey by speaking to someone, or maybe by studying the Scriptures. The words that were spoken to you or the studying of the Scriptures that may have brought you to your faith came through what you learned from the writings of the Jews. None of us are born with the truth of God in our own knowledge.

Trust me, you did come to know God because of the writings of the Jews that we now hold as the Scriptures and have recorded as the truth in our bibles. If you're up to it, share with us how you came to be baptized and received the Spirit that you claim. Were you attending a fellowship of believers or were you just walking along the sidewalk and suddenly your mind was filled with the truth of God?

 

[miamited]

No Ted, that is the way you choose to see it because you, like @Free, seem to give deference to these other gods who are no gods. Tell me Ted, the Muslim peoples and all the gentiles of the world. Were they created by a different God than the one you would say created the heavens and the earth?

You've turned this around. Neither of us are giving 'deference' to these other gods because we know that there are no other gods. Yes, the Muslims were created by the same God, but they don't choose to honor and glorify that God. Rather, they have made their own god. That's what the Scriptures explain about the matter. If a faith, or religion, or talk of some life after this earthly life doesn't include Jesus, then it is a man-made religion that just doesn't understand. But there have been people who choose not to honor the one God who created this realm since very near the beginning. You are the one who seems to think that there is some other gods that are equal to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob:

Yes, they are Muslim, so what? Allah literally translates as "God". Their God is the same as the God of Abraham.

As I've said, the Muslim idea of God claims that God has no Son. The Muslim idea of God claims that Jesus is only another prophet of their god and not the Son of the God. The Muslim idea of God believes that people who kill for their god will live great lives in paradise with women serving their every need.

No, they aren't the same god.

 

[ezrider]

It is a spiritual death , Adam and Eve did not take their last breath that day .

Yes, it is a spiritual death, as is sin. The wages of sin is death; a spiritual death. Has any man looked at a women with lust in his heart and suddenly drew his last breath for the wages of sin? (WELL, MAYBE SOMEONE DID HAVE A HEART ATTACH, YOU NEVER KNOW)

Yes , who sent his Son the Messiah to die for our sins . Do you believe the Son of God died for your sins ?

Yes, I believe in the death and resurrection. Yes, I believe he gave his life that he might take away the sins of the world, both to those to whom sins were imputed unto them under the law, as well as to those whose sins were not imputed them who were not under the law.

So yes, he died for our sins and the sins of the world; All but one sin. For which I would not be one pretending to be speaking on behalf of God simply because I can read the words of the pages of a book; or proclaim what God is allowed to do or is not permitted to do because of doctrines of men tell say such. I am not a judge of the law, I am not a judge of God, he is my Judge.

I do not stand before the cross trying to cover my sins with his sacrifice, I was not party to the first covenant that required a sacrifice under the law. I do not wait before the cross for a savior to climb back down, I have found in him salvation. I do not worship after the image of a man hanging upon a cross, I follow after the Spirit of the risen Christ who gave instruction when he confirmed his covenant with many for one week. In His sacrifice and through His death and resurrection we have the assurances of the promises under His New Everlasting Covenant.

 

[ezrider]

Those who say all we need is to hear the Holy Spirit or Spirit of Christ, while technically true,

So you admit, it is true.

God primarily speaks through Scripture and we are to study and pray for help from the Holy Spirit for understanding.

Maybe that is the only way you can hear your God is through the scripture. But I am not thee. I through the scriptures and the lessons of the schoolmaster learned how listen to the Spirit of Christ, such that now when I am no longer under the schoolmaster, I can hear his Spirit in the words of a different book, I can hear his Spirit when talking with gentle souls.

The irony is, when you read an English translation of the Bible, you are leaning on those who know Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. And when you read an English translation of the Quran, you are leaning on those who know Arabic, except that in this case, it doesn't really matter, since it isn't the true Quran.

The irony is you worship a book for a God.

 

[ezrider]

Oh, I understand the concept of the 'covenant of death'. What I don't understand is your explanation that it's only for certain groups of people. That it wasn't made with indigenous peoples of the various lands of the earth. That it wasn't made with other groups of people, but you believe it was only with the Jews through Moses and the law. The covenant of death has existed since the beginning when sin was introduced to the earth.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression.


Do understand what is said by sin not being imputed where there is no law? Yes, Death reigned from Adam to Moses. Then came the covenant of LAW, where there sins were imputed unto them. Do you understand that? We are not under the Law, under the New Covenant our sins are not imputed unto us. Even though the sting of death remains, the power of its Covenant has been defeated.

 

[ezrider]

You've turned this around. Neither of us are giving 'deference' to these other gods because we know that there are no other gods. Yes, the Muslims were created by the same God, but they don't choose to honor and glorify that God. Rather, they have made their own god. That's what the Scriptures explain about the matter. If a faith, or religion, or talk of some life after this earthly life doesn't include Jesus, then it is a man-made religion that just doesn't understand. But there have been people who choose not to honor the one God who created this realm since very near the beginning. You are the one who seems to think that there is some other gods that are equal to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob:

As I've said, the Muslim idea of God claims that God has no Son. The Muslim idea of God claims that Jesus is only another prophet of their god and not the Son of the God. The Muslim idea of God believes that people who kill for their god will live great lives in paradise with women serving their every need.

No, they aren't the same god.

I have no more left if you can not understand the utter simplicity of what I have been saying, so I feel no need so explain further. You are the Judge with all the knowledge of good and evil, Who am I dispute your authority. Surely you know better than I that when a Muslim cries out to God in the name of Allah that YHWH is forbidden from hearing their cries.

 

[ezrider]

I just listened to an Israeli spokesman, a former major, speaking on Piers Morgan Uncensored say that as they continue to go after Hamas, they have to move to 1.5 to 1.8 million people around because Hamas hides like cowards behind human shields.

If those figures are anywhere close........ The population of Gaza was over 2.2 million people just 20 months ago.
2.2-1.5= 0.7 ~ 700,000 people slaughtered in this genocide, and we keep funding it. When will it stop. How long will the Western world turn a blind eye in its complicity?

Wake Up!

 

[ezrider]

 

[ezrider]

 

[ezrider]

In the Name of Christ, is this the humanity he seeks from his followers?

 

[miamited]

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression.


Do understand what is said by sin not being imputed where there is no law? Yes, Death reigned from Adam to Moses. Then came the covenant of LAW, where there sins were imputed unto them. Do you understand that? We are not under the Law, under the New Covenant our sins are not imputed unto us. Even though the sting of death remains, the power of its Covenant has been defeated.

Uh no. An entire world of people were destroyed because of their sin, according to God's testimony on the matter, long before there was any group of people gathered in the wilderness. So, I would say that you're wrong in your understanding of that bit of God's testimony. And honestly, what do you mean that 'there(sic) sins were imputed unto them'.

We are not under the Law, under the New Covenant our sins are not imputed unto us.

Yes, now that Jesus has come and paid the price, those who trust and believe in his work are no longer under the law of sin. But that has nothing to do with the days that you started speaking of with Moses in the wilderness.

However, I do agree that we have both gone about as far as should be necessary to make any point of this. God bless you and may you continue to seek for the truth of God.

 

[ezrider]

Uh no. An entire world of people were destroyed because of their sin, according to God's testimony on the matter, long before there was any group of people gathered in the wilderness. So, I would say that you're wrong in your understanding of that bit of God's testimony. And honestly, what do you mean that 'there(sic) sins were imputed unto them'.

Gee Ted, I really don't know what to tell you, maybe the temple and those animal sacrifices are just a thing of myth? How would I know?

Maybe that's what the genocide in Gaza is all about, a big animal sacrifice dedicated to the greater Israel project, because no one seems to see them as people any more, Do you think God will be pleased with this sacrifice?

 

[miamited]

Gee Ted, I really don't know what to tell you, maybe the temple and those animal sacrifices are just a thing of myth? How would I know?

Maybe that's what the genocide in Gaza is all about, a big animal sacrifice dedicated to the greater Israel project, because no one seems to see them as people any more, Do you think God will be pleased with this sacrifice?

Hi ezrider

Look, I don't have any idea what you're going on about.

 

[ezrider]

Hi ezrider

Look, I don't have any idea what you're going on about.

No Ted, you probably wouldn't. I just realized this is my mistake, saying they are the same God and all. I mean all of you are right, there are many gods, and those who call themselves Christians all worship a different Jesus.

I look at the 70th week of Daniel and the accomplished works of the Messiah, the Jesus you claim to follow. But I would suspect you don't know that Jesus because when you are led to the 70th week of Daniel you are taught to look for the anti-christ. Your theology and end time prophecy is built around an anti-christ. So it is no mystery to me why you would not understand me.

 

[miamited]

hi ezrider

No Ted, you probably wouldn't. I just realized this is my mistake, saying they are the same God and all. I mean all of you are right, there are many gods, and those who call themselves Christians all worship a different Jesus.

Really, what are you on about? Yes, there are many gods in the minds of the people of the world. No, there is only one Jesus. What's wrong with your thinking? Why do you not understand that the people of the world have worshipped false gods for thousands of years? Have you not read the Scriptures at all?

So it is no mystery to me why you would not understand me.

Well, I'm glad you were able to get that cleared up in your mind.

 

[miamited]

Yes, Hamas, working from Gaza, should have warned the people that they were about to unleash a firestorm of retribution by going in and slaughtering 1,200 Israelis. That's what started this action. Now, if the Gazans want to stop it, all they have to do is stop allowing Hamas to work within their borders. It's really that simple.

But the Gazans are Muslim and so they support what Hamas does for the most part. They dislike the Israelis as much as Hamas and the rest of the Muslim people generally do. Isreal has every right to level Gaza until the murderers that struck unprovoked against them are gone. I believe that's what they are doing.

Now, are a lot of 'innocent' people also suffering because of Hamas' attack? Sure, but Israel has set a goal to rid from within their borders, these groups that bring hate and death and suffering to the Israeli people. And ultimately, all of this is a result of other nations forcing Israel to accept the Palestinian people living within their very borders. I mean, consider if Nazi Germany had a contingent of several million people living in Missouri during WWII. Americans wouldn't put up with that and Isreal shouldn't have to either. God gave them that land. He did remove them from it for a time because of their faithlessness, but He also promised that He would return them to their land. It's their land as far as I'm concerned. Given to them by the one and only true God .who has authority over all that is.

Jeremiah 23:3-8
“Then I Myself will gather the remnant of My flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and bring them back to their pasture, and they will be fruitful and multiply.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Land-Permanently-Restored-To-Israel

 

[Free]

So you admit, it is true.

With important qualifications, yes. No Christian is to do biblical interpretation only on their own; it starts that way but must end with taking into account what others have said over the millennia. Ultimately, it must be done within the context of community.

Every single person on this site who has stated in one way or another that they "only need the Holy Spirit, not man's teachings or books," has disagreed on certain points of biblical interpretation with all the others who believe the same. That tells me that it is largely pride and self-righteousness that causes people to make that claim.

Maybe that is the only way you can hear your God is through the scripture. But I am not thee. I through the scriptures and the lessons of the schoolmaster learned how listen to the Spirit of Christ, such that now when I am no longer under the schoolmaster, I can hear his Spirit in the words of a different book, I can hear his Spirit when talking with gentle souls.

Yet, you cannot tell the difference between the God of the Bible and the god of Islam. That very strongly suggests the spirit you hear is not the Spirit of Christ.

The irony is you worship a book for a God.

No, not at all. I worship the God who has made himself known by means of special revelation as only given in the Bible. You have far too low a view of the Bible and seem to want to bring it down and put the Quran on par with it. No other "holy book" is inspired or of God.

Yes, as Hamas kills aid distribution workers and stores aid in warehouses for themselves to control, rather than fairly distribute it to the people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gr1rk5nvxo

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-798185

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/...at-chaotic-gaza-aid-site-health-officials-say

In the Name of Christ, is this the humanity he seeks from his followers?

What do Christians have to do with Islamic terrorists?

 

[ezrider]

Yes, Hamas, working from Gaza, should have warned the people that they were about to unleash a firestorm of retribution by going in and slaughtering 1,200 Israelis.

I anticipated this response. Does that mean the Jews were responsible for the holocaust because of the ghetto uprisings? Because thats what you are saying here.

 

[ezrider]

Isreal has every right to level Gaza until the murderers that struck unprovoked against them are gone. I believe that's what they are doing.

Just to be clear, you have no issues with ethnic cleansing and support the ongoing genocide just because they are Muslim. Let me se if I understand your reasoning here. Hitler was evil because he sought to ethnically cleanse all jews from the land, but somehow it is not evil when it is the Muslims being ethnically cleansed from the land.

 

[ezrider]

Jeremiah 23:3-8
“Then I Myself will gather the remnant of My flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and bring them back to their pasture, and they will be fruitful and multiply.

And then he scattered them to the four corners again, to grow where they were planted.

Jeremiah 31:27
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah
with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: