Keep watch!

[miamited]

Hey guys, I was just reading that we are threatening Iran if they don't surrender to, apparently the U.S. President. But that's for another discussion. But the natural flow here seems to be that at some point soon our President might make a pact with Israel for protection from what may soon be a group of Arabic nations rising up against Israel. I wonder if in the middle of that pact things might come apart? Is there any chance that we are about to witness the beginning of the "He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’?

And please, I'm not asking to necessarily point the finger at anyone other than to just point out that this Scripture 'may' be coming to fruition before our very eyes. So keep watch! We all know that God's word is true and that what He says will come to pass will come to pass. In the days of Jesus' birth few understood what was happening even though that event had also been well prophesied in the Scriptures. But the people didn't see it unfolding before their very eyes.

Likewise, there will come a day that some covenant will be made with some many that will then be broken. There is a generation of people who will actually witness before their very eyes some covenant being made. Many believe that covenant will be with Israel. For the U.S. to agree to protect and provide and support Israel in a war against many of its neighbors could well bring about the arrangement of such a covenant. I'm just quite flummoxed as to why our present leadership finds it worthwhile to protect Israel against a tyranny that hasn't even been created yet (this is all about Iran's ability to make nuclear weapons that may someday be used against Israel) vs. protecting a nation that supports our ideals against an aggressor who has already attacked and whose desire is killing and destroying an entire nation to bring it under Russian control. I scratch my head at that but then understand that God is in control of all of this. Perhaps our generation is seeing the set up for the fulfillment of this prophecy that God's angel gave unto Daniel concerning one of the events that would happen at the very last days of the Days of the Gentiles.

Could be. Just keep watch.

 

[ezrider]

Short answer. NO

That covenant was confirmed with many 2000 years ago with the blood of Christ.

Israel picked a fight with Iran, and wants our protection? We've been protecting the state of Israel for as long as I've been alive. Netanyahu has been telling the US that Iran was weeks or months away from a nuclear weapon over and over again since 1992. We heard the same thing about Iraq; They got WMD's, except they didn't. Iran doesn't either, yet they need the US to take out Iran so they can complete their greater Israel project. Iran apparently is the only nation who stands in the way of their aspirations.

Even with the assistance with the US air defense support, Iron Dome and the others, Israel is taking a beating right now, absorbing numerous missile strikes causing significant damage. I fighter would have to be truly arrogant to step in the ring thinking he could knock out his opponent without taking a hit or two. I thought the USA was supposed to be the referee, but we're not. We are partners in all they do. They're judgement will be our judgement.

I was listening to an interview earlier this evening Tucker Carlson did with Texas Senator Ted Cruz in which the Senator revealed that he is a big Israel supporter driven by his John Hagee school of thought; I will bless them the bless you, and will curse them that curse you, speaking of the current modern day state of Israel. In his mind, if we are not fully supporting the state of Israel, then we are in danger of being cursed by God. And yet we like to accuse the Iranian regime as being the religious fanatics. We should really look in the mirror.

Tell me, would God bless the nation who commits a genocide? Or curse it?

 

[Fish153]

Hey guys, I was just reading that we are threatening Iran if they don't surrender to, apparently the U.S. President. But that's for another discussion. But the natural flow here seems to be that at some point soon our President might make a pact with Israel for protection from what may soon be a group of Arabic nations rising up against Israel. I wonder if in the middle of that pact things might come apart? Is there any chance that we are about to witness the beginning of the "He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’?

And please, I'm not asking to necessarily point the finger at anyone other than to just point out that this Scripture 'may' be coming to fruition before our very eyes. So keep watch! We all know that God's word is true and that what He says will come to pass will come to pass. In the days of Jesus' birth few understood what was happening even though that event had also been well prophesied in the Scriptures. But the people didn't see it unfolding before their very eyes.

Likewise, there will come a day that some covenant will be made with some many that will then be broken. There is a generation of people who will actually witness before their very eyes some covenant being made. Many believe that covenant will be with Israel. For the U.S. to agree to protect and provide and support Israel in a war against many of its neighbors could well bring about the arrangement of such a covenant. I'm just quite flummoxed as to why our present leadership finds it worthwhile to protect Israel against a tyranny that hasn't even been created yet (this is all about Iran's ability to make nuclear weapons that may someday be used against Israel) vs. protecting a nation that supports our ideals against an aggressor who has already attacked and whose desire is killing and destroying an entire nation to bring it under Russian control. I scratch my head at that but then understand that God is in control of all of this. Perhaps our generation is seeing the set up for the fulfillment of this prophecy that God's angel gave unto Daniel concerning one of the events that would happen at the very last days of the Days of the Gentiles.

Could be. Just keep watch.

Miamited---

I agree with your post:

"Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, BUT LET US BE AWAKE AND SOBER." (1 Thess. 5: 3-6)

There is always a strong possibility that Iran may be overthrown, and a new government installed. This would cause many to say "peace and safety" as the threat would appear to be removed. But this could be the perfect time for another country to use the element of surprise and cause "sudden destruction" as the verses above state.

So, you are absolutely correct---we need to "watch" and to "pray".

 

[Fish153]

Short answer. NO

That covenant was confirmed with many 2000 years ago with the blood of Christ.

Israel picked a fight with Iran, and wants our protection? We've been protecting the state of Israel for as long as I've been alive. Netanyahu has been telling the US that Iran was weeks or months away from a nuclear weapon over and over again since 1992. We heard the same thing about Iraq; They got WMD's, except they didn't. Iran doesn't either, yet they need the US to take out Iran so they can complete their greater Israel project. Iran apparently is the only nation who stands in the way of their aspirations.

Even with the assistance with the US air defense support, Iron Dome and the others, Israel is taking a beating right now, absorbing numerous missile strikes causing significant damage. I fighter would have to be truly arrogant to step in the ring thinking he could knock out his opponent without taking a hit or two. I thought the USA was supposed to be the referee, but we're not. We are partners in all they do. They're judgement will be our judgement.

I was listening to an interview earlier this evening Tucker Carlson did with Texas Senator Ted Cruz in which the Senator revealed that he is a big Israel supporter driven by his John Hagee school of thought; I will bless them the bless you, and will curse them that curse you, speaking of the current modern day state of Israel. In his mind, if we are not fully supporting the state of Israel, then we are in danger of being cursed by God. And yet we like to accuse the Iranian regime as being the religious fanatics. We should really look in the mirror.

Tell me, would God bless the nation who commits a genocide? Or curse it?

Israel is not committing genocide. Think about it. They have the perfect opportunity to bomb the hell out of Iran if they wanted to and kill thousands of innocent civilians. But are they? No---they are bombing military and nuclear installations. It is Iran that is committing genocide when they purposefully kill innocent civilians with missiles and target hospitals. The media has completely ignored the fact that Hamas BUTCHERED Jews on 10-7 and has turned this all around so that people cry "FREE PALESTINE!" What a load of hogwash. The reason civilian Palestinians are killed is because Hamas infiltrates civilian areas on purpose. Israel WARNS Palestinians they are about to bomb an area--but they are ignored. Then civilians die and the liberals scream "genocide!!" It's all hogwash--it really is. Israel is protecting themselves---both in Gaza and in Iran. If Israel wanted to commit genocide they could easily bomb civilian areas of Iran. But they don't---in fact, they WARN the Iranians to evacuate areas they are going to bomb. The Iranian people have been LISTENING to the Israelis----whereas the Palestinians have not heeded the warnings, and have paid the price for that.

 

[ezrider]

Israel is not committing genocide.

Yes, Israel has been and continues to commit genocide in Gaza. Israel is the aggressor when it comes to Iran.

It is Iran that is committing genocide when they purposefully kill innocent civilians with missiles and target hospitals.

Targeting hospitals? Surely you must be speaking of the IDF and Israel. One hospital in Israel that sits adjacent to a legitimate military target does not establish a pattern of targeting hospitals; but the targeting and destruction of at least 35 hospitals in Gaza, essentially all of them, really does establish a pattern, don't you think?

Israel is now beginning to look a little bit like Gaza. Are you planning any trips to Jerusalem to go visit the holy land soon? It seems to be getting holier by the day.

How much more blood and treasure (I mean debt) must we as Americans incur in order to build the Greater Israel project. We in-debt ourselves to the Globalist building their own dream of a Greater Israel at our expense. What did we spent on Iraq, $7 trillion? It's like the mobster asking you to dig your own grave before he shoots you between the eyes.

If the goal was to bankrupt the USA, then we have the man to meet the moment.


But as to the point of the OP, sure, they're will be a peace treaty eventually, it will be broken, as with most treaties throughout history; But what it will not be is the Covenant that he shall confirmed with many for one week as spoken of in Daniel 9, Jesus fulfilled that prophesied scripture when he confirmed the New Covenant with his own shed blood.

 

[ezrider]

Miamited---

I agree with your post:

"Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, BUT LET US BE AWAKE AND SOBER." (1 Thess. 5: 3-6)

There is always a strong possibility that Iran may be overthrown, and a new government installed. This would cause many to say "peace and safety" as the threat would appear to be removed. But this could be the perfect time for another country to use the element of surprise and cause "sudden destruction" as the verses above state.

So, you are absolutely correct---we need to "watch" and to "pray".

Those in Israel did think they were living in safety, and they are quite arrogant about it. The Iron Dome, David Sling, Arrow Systems, the US military operated THAAD system, and they are getting beat regularly. But I would have a hard time believing they would ever let you think they were living in peace. A bully who always thinks himself the victim can never be at peace.

 

[ezrider]

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.


When he was loosed out of his prison, he became a nation once again, and the powers of the world did give to him a state to call his own.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Hey guys, I was just reading that we are threatening Iran if they don't surrender to, apparently the U.S. President. But that's for another discussion. But the natural flow here seems to be that at some point soon our President might make a pact with Israel for protection from what may soon be a group of Arabic nations rising up against Israel. I wonder if in the middle of that pact things might come apart? Is there any chance that we are about to witness the beginning of the "He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’?

Hey, Maimited.

You are right about the context of how the prophecy will be fulfilled, just that it's way too soon to be happening just yet.

I'm close to starting writing on an eschatological set of studies soon that will spell this out more clearly, but the fourth empire prophesied to come will be the most powerful and destructive in human history, and involve the collaboration of 10 Muslim nations in particular. I'm assuming you are referring to the link I will provide below, but while they are grouping together in public opposition to the Israeli missile attacks, they do not yet constitute the greatest and most destructive empire in history, so this is just a precursor of what is eventually coming, not the real thing.

It is interesting, however.

Blessings,
- H

21 Arab, Muslim nations condemn Israeli strikes on Iran, urge de-escalation

In joint statement led by Egypt, regional powers call for ceasefire, respect for sovereignty and nuclear disarmament ‘without selectivity’ - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Fish153]

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.


When he was loosed out of his prison, he became a nation once again, and the powers of the world did give to him a state to call his own.

Ridiculous. Don't you see you are parroting Iran? Don't they (Iran) call Israel "Satan" and the U.S. the "Great Satan"? The current Nation Israel is not perfect. But they are FAR from being "Satan". I saw an Israeli comedian hilariously saying "can you imagine a terrorist giving a "warning" that he was about to blow himself up?" Yet Israel constantly "warns" Gazans when they are about to strike---and just recently warned the people of Iran to evacuate because they were going to attack. What other country does that? Think about it.

 

[ezrider]

Ridiculous. Don't you see you are parroting Iran? Don't they (Iran) call Israel "Satan" and the U.S. the "Great Satan"? The current Nation Israel is not perfect. But they are FAR from being "Satan". I saw an Israeli comedian hilariously saying "can you imagine a terrorist giving a "warning" that he was about to blow himself up?" Yet Israel constantly "warns" Gazans when they are about to strike---and just recently warned the people of Iran to evacuate because they were going to attack. What other country does that? Think about it.

And the Nazi's told the jews to get on busses. What your point?

Oh, and Jesus said you are of your father the devil..........
And to the Churches warned of those who say they are jews and are not and do lie, but are of the synagogue of Satan.

 

[Fish153]

And the Nazi's told the jews to get on busses. What your point?

Oh, and Jesus said you are of your father the devil..........
And to the Churches warned of those who say they are jews and are not and do lie, but are of the synagogue of Satan.

My point is---you are calling Israel Satan---just like Iran does. No one else in the world calls Israel "Satan"--they may not like Israel but they are sane enough not to stoop that low. But you are doing the same thing Iran does. So, my point is that you are WAY OFF in what you are stating.

 

[Hidden In Him]

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[ezrider]

My point is---you are calling Israel Satan---just like Iran does. No one else in the world calls Israel "Satan"--they may not like Israel but they are sane enough not to stoop that low. But you are doing the same thing Iran does. So, my point is that you are WAY OFF in what you are stating.

Can you tell me, do the Jews who live in the state of Israel believe in Christ?

 

[Fish153]

Can you tell me, do the Jews who live in the state of Israel believe in Christ?

Some of them do---the Messianic Jews. There are also Christians and Muslims living there too. One day a huge majority of them (unbelieving Jews) will be converted in "one day". That is part of prophecy. The Lord says he will bring his people back to their land (see Isaiah 11). It doesn't say they will be believers. But prophecy says that when Jesus returns at the end of the Tribulation that the whole nation will mourn--knowing that the Messiah was Jesus all along.

God has not forgotten his earthly people. They are "sinners" just like all of us---they are not perfect. But one day according to Prophecy the whole nation will turn to Jesus. They are not perfect---far from it---but to label them "Satan" is a great insult to the Lord.

 

[ezrider]

That is part of prophecy.

It is also a prophecy that Satan would be released from the prison once more to go forth and deceive the nations; and that she has. After all, there is an entire dispensational theology built around its foundation. Do the jewish people accept Christ? No, they don't. Who is anti-christ but he who denies Christ?

So the Jewish state called Israel is by scriptural definition an anti-christ state. Is it any coincidence they fly the star of Remphan on their flag? They seek to build a greater Israel based on a promise under a covenant that they broke and that Christ made of none effect. Claiming she sits a queen and is no widow. And now in this country the Christian Zionists are pushing to have the Ten Commandments displayed in public schools. Why the Ten Commandment and not the Beatitudes? What's the agenda? What's the deception?

The ongoing genocide being committed by the state of Israel in Gaza is certainly stirring the peoples of the nations against her.

Now learn the parable of the fig tree...

The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon. One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad. Then said the LORD unto me, What seest thou, Jeremiah? And I said, Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil.

And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt: And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them. And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.

 

[Fish153]

It is also a prophecy that Satan would be released from the prison once more to go forth and deceive the nations; and that she has. After all, there is an entire dispensational theology built around its foundation. Do the jewish people accept Christ? No, they don't. Who is anti-christ but he who denies Christ?

So the Jewish state called Israel is by scriptural definition an anti-christ state. Is it any coincidence they fly the star of Remphan on their flag? They seek to build a greater Israel based on a promise under a covenant that they broke and that Christ made of none effect. Claiming she sits a queen and is no widow. And now in this country the Christian Zionists are pushing to have the Ten Commandments displayed in public schools. Why the Ten Commandment and not the Beatitudes? What's the agenda? What's the deception?

The ongoing genocide being committed by the state of Israel in Gaza is certainly stirring the peoples of the nations against her.

Now learn the parable of the fig tree...

The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon. One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad. Then said the LORD unto me, What seest thou, Jeremiah? And I said, Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil.

And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt: And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them. And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.

You misunderstand the Bible and also prophecy. Satan has NOT been locked up in prison yet. That happens during the 1000 year Millenium when Christ is King over the earth. Satan is bound in the bottomless pit for 1000 years (the length of the Millenium) and then released at the very end of the Millenium.

Secondly, you don't know the Word of God. God HAS NOT rejected his people Israel:

"I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God DID NOT reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”. And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal. So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. (Romans 11: 1-6)

"Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!" (Romans 11: 11,12)

God still has plans for earthly Israel. What you are failing to realize is that God did not "choose" Israel as his people because they were good or worthy---he chose them because of his Grace--and God WILL DEAL WITH THIS PEOPLE HE HAS CHOSEN until the end. Israel is capable of doing very evil things----true----but God CHOSE them thousands of years ago BY HIS OWN WILL. The Nation Israel reborn in 1948 is PART OF GOD'S PLAN. He has not cast them off by any means!! And at the very end of the Tribulation the WHOLE NATION will turn to JESUS CHRIST.

Think about it: Why does Satan HATE Israel so much? (they are surrounded by enemies, he tried to destroy them in the holocaust, and right now rampant anti-semitism is in the world). Satan hates the Jews because he KNOWS WHEN THEY RECEIVE CHRIST AS A NATION HE IS FINISHED!! His END will come!! So, he tries and tries to destroy the Jews!!! Your post only proves you have been deceived by Him yourself! You call Israel Satan--which is EXACTLY what he wants you to do!!

 

[ezrider]

Secondly, you don't know the Word of God.

You may know your doctrines and theologies, but I can see you only claim to know the word of God.

You call Israel Satan--which is EXACTLY what he wants you to do!!

Sure, that's what he wants me to do. Or maybe you understand nothing as you should.

Jesus said to Peter; get behind me Satan.

In the book of Revelation he is called the great dragon, the old serpent, the Devil and Satan. He is referred to as the Accuser of the brethren. An yet Jesus tells us there is one that accuses you, even Moses in whom you trust.
There is a reason that Israel is called the Little Satan and America is called the Great Satan; you shouldn't discount it. In 1948 a state was created that flies the Star of Remphan to go forth and deceive the nations.

If anything, Satan glories in the Law, though from the beginning it was about using the law, the knowledge of good and evil, to tempt man to rule as if they were God. It was why Adam was driven from the Garden. It's why Jesus said of the Pharisees you are of your father the devil, for they presumed to rule as if they spoke for God because they were in possession of the manuscripts. They could read the words for themselves; just as ALL of mankind can now do for themselves for the first time in history. It was but just a few generations ago that most peoples only knew Christ and lived by and only through their Faith.

It is written concerning the works of Satan, that if you wanted to believe the lie, then God would send you strong delusion so that you would believe the lie. A modern Jewish ethno-supremacist state called Israel based upon old covenant promises is a lie.

 

[Fish153]

You need to think about it more clearly. Remember what Jesus told the Pharisees when they accused him of casting out Satan by Satan?

"But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?" (Matt. 12: 24-26)

You are literally calling Israel Satan--and yet look at Israel completely surrounded by it's enemies. "From the desert to the sea Palestine will be free!" they shout. Calling for the DESTRUCTION of Israel. Iran is dead set on DESTROYING Israel and forcing them into the sea. So I ask---why would Satan (the entity) seek to cast out Satan (what you call Israel)??

Don't you see or understand? From 1941-1945 Germany murdered (6) million Jews. And yet (3) years later the remnant of Jewish people were reborn into their OWN LAND (5-14-1948). This was a MIRACLE OF GOD. Satan LITERALLY tried to destroy the Jews from the face of the earth!!! He knows SALVATION COMES THROUGH THE JEWS. When the Jews turn to Jesus it is HIS END. So what does he do? He is trying to remove the Jews so they cannot turn to Jesus!! Don't you see?

If Israel is Satan, then Satan (the entity) is trying to destroy himself!! Why would he do that? No---Israel is NOT Satan. Israel is a THREAT to Satan---and He is trying as hard as he possibly can to remove them from the face of the earth! For centuries He has been after the Jews. He HATES THEM. The Tribulation will be his LAST ATTEMPT to destroy them----but Jesus will come to their rescue! That is what Revelation shows us. God has a SPIRTUAL people, and He has an EARTHLY PEOPLE (Israel). One day all of Israel will turn to Jesus---this is a prophecy yet to be fulfilled---BUT IT WILL BE. GOD DOES NOT LIE.

 

[ezrider]

Don't you see or understand? From 1941-1945 Germany murdered (6) million Jews.

I don't see anyone here denying that. The question is why, what led to Hitler and the holocaust? But what we commonly refer to as antisemitism had been going on for centuries before that. Why were they driven out of the countries they settled in?

It is the Lord who separates the sheep from the goats; who separates the basket of good figs from the basket of evil figs. The good figs return to him, but the evil figs were so evil that......

And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them. And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.


Does the fact that 6 million jews were killed in a genocide that we call the holocaust give them a free pass to commit a genocide against the Palestinian people?

And yet (3) years later the remnant of Jewish people were reborn into their OWN LAND (5-14-1948).

No, they were planted in a land the Lord saw fit to give to another people. The al asqa mosque has stood for more than 1300 years now in Jerusalem. How many years total did both jewish temples last?

This was a MIRACLE OF GOD.

I would not say that God had no hand in it, but to say it was a miracle? No. It was establish through an act of men who had been shamed by the horrific acts of the holocaust, but still wanted to drive the jews out of Europe. The State of Israel was formed through a United Nations resolution.

Revelation 17:17
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Satan LITERALLY tried to destroy the Jews from the face of the earth!!!

Yes, that is what the doctrines of men teach us. Only you would be hard pressed to come up with a scriptural reference that would state such.

He knows SALVATION COMES THROUGH THE JEWS.

By that you mean Salvation CAME through the Jews? Jesus CAME through the line of Judah nearly two thousand years ago. What MORE SALVATION are you expecting to COME through the Jews, or of more relevance, the Jewish ethno-supremacist society we call the state of Israel?

 

[Fish153]

Well---looks like I have to re-post Romans 11 again:

"I ask then: Did God reject his people? BY NO MEANS! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. GOD DID NOT REJECT HIS PEOPLE WHOM HE FOREKNEW. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”So too, AT THE PRESENT TIME there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others WERE HARDENED, as it is written:

“GOD GAVE THEM a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”
And David says:

“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”

Ingrafted Branches​

Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? NOT AT ALL! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles TO MAKE ISRAEL ENVIOUS. But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring! (Romans 11:1-12)

These verses clearly show that God has not given up on Israel at all!! Is Israel beyond recovery? NOT AT ALL!! Paul says. God intentionally allowed Israel to turn away so that Gentiles could be saved. God chose earthly Israel BY HIS GRACE----not due to anything IN THEM. God has PROMISED to FULFILL A PLAN AND PROPHECY he made to Israel long ago. He HAS NOT CAST THEM OFF. They are his CHOSEN PEOPLE--again chosen BY GRACE----not due to something good or great in them. God could have chosen the Philistines, but he didn't---he chose the Jews according to his own will and Grace. Because Jews did bad in the past, or does bad now does not remove the Will of God and his plans for Israel. That is what you ARE NOT SEEING or UNDERSTANDING.